The pro-choice movement is based on
hypocrisy in multiple ways and has been
ever since it%u2019s conception in the
United States%u2026.
The initial ruling in Roe vs. Wade
declared that abortion was considered
legal under the context that a people have
a %u201Cright to privacy%u201D.
Interestingly enough the founding fathers
of our nation never declared a %u201Cright
of privacy%u201D but did mention a
%u201Cright to LIFE%u201D. Now, this does
not mean that they didn%u2019t support a
right to privacy but rather that the
former Supreme Court interpreted a
%u201Cright to privacy%u201D to it%u2019s
absolute fullest extent (as an
unenumerated /unlisted right) but
blatantly IGNORED a potential
person%u2019s %u201Cright to life%u201D.
Further more, in Roe. Vs. Wade. Roe (the
founding mother of a person%u2019s right
to abortion-aka Norma L. McCorvey "Jane
Roe") NEVER HAD AN ABORTION and later
converted to Christianity and CURRENTLY is
an extreme OPPONENT to the pro-choice
movement.
Also, the Pro-choice movement denies a
potential person%u2019s right to choose
life, which they themselves were gifted
with. Feminists declare themselves as
independent, strong and free spirited yet
when faced with the decision to have their
own child (as a pro-choice standpoint)
they cringe at the prospect of giving
their child a chance at life (that they
were given).
Many pro-choice advocates don%u2019t want
abortion clinics to provide mandatory
information about the procedure,
alternatives to an abortion, or even one
or more days to wait to think about their
decision. This pro-choice stand point
blatantly places the woman in a state of
IGNORANCE in opposition to a well thought
out CHOICE.
Don%u2019t be fooled by hypocrisy%u2026.
LIFE is a gift, NOT a CHOICE
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Re: Abortion is hypocrisy...proof Posted: 06-20-08 19:15pm
Well, at least you are right about one
issue: Fetuses are not persons, but
potential persons. The only thing
standing between them and personhood is
birth.
And since they aren't persons, they have
no right to life under the Constitution.
Norma McCorvey has always been something
of an attention seeker, so your side can
have her as long as you promise not to
give her back. Deal?
Lastly, I can't speak for anyone else, but
I personally believe that women are
intelligent enough and thoughtful enough
to make up their own minds about abortion
without propaganda and waiting periods.
Your side appears to presume that women
are too stupid to do their own research,
and that they are so mentally vacant that
they show up to have an abortion without
having already thought the decision
through thoroughly.
So I guess my question would be, why do
you have such a low opinion of women?
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Lilly Ivy
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Posted: 06-20-08 19:15pm
I can chose to give a gift back if I don't
like it.
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16 father
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Posted: 06-20-08 19:21pm
"And since they aren't persons, they have
no right to life under the Constitution."
gays aren't under the constitution either
so does that make them not a person... or
unable to marry?
"Norma McCorvey has always been something
of an attention seeker, so your side can
have her as long as you promise not to
give her back. Deal? Very Happy"
"women are intelligent enough and
thoughtful enough to make up their own
minds about abortion"
You question her intelligence so that is
hypocritical!
"So I guess my question would be, why do
you have such a low opinion of women?"---I
don't...you are the one questioning a
woman's opinion and intelligence.
"I can chose to give a gift back if I
don't like it."
Like your life? I hope that's not what you
meant...?
Anyone responding please read the entire
original post before responding thanks!
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AyaMiyaki
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Posted: 06-20-08 20:40pm
What "information" do you think pro-choice
wants abortion clinics to hold back? I
think a woman considering abortion should
be given all the facts - not propoganda,
but FACTS. Ultrasounds to determine what
stage her pregnancy is at (whether she
chooses to look at the image should be her
decision, however), information about what
abortion entails, checking and re-checking
that this IS what she wants to do and that
she isn't being pressured into it...
Oh, and by the by. There are many
pro-choice people here who have also
chosen to parent, myself included. In
fact, I'm pregnant right now. A pregnant
pro-choicer! Could such a thing ever
exist? Not all pro-choicers are
pro-abortion, anti-child psychopaths.
You're entitled to your opinion that
abortion is whatever you think it is, but
that does not change the fact that women
deserve the right to make their own choice
concerning pregnancy: parenting, adoption,
or SAFE abortion.
A z/e/f's "right to life" should not step
on a BORN woman's right to control her own
body. If you give an unborn child the
right to use its mother's body against her
will, you're giving the unborn more rights
than the mother. You might deny this, but
think about it. The mother now HAS to
assume every risk and complication that
pregnancy can bring, including high blood
pressure, diabetes, depression, risk of
invasive abdominal surgery, bleeding and
hemmorhaging issues, postpartum depression
and/or psychosis... need I go on? And this
doesn't even touch on the physical and
emotional trauma of a uncomplicated
vaginal birth. To shrug these things off
is to see the mother as less of a person
in your eyes. We don't even treat
prisoners of war in such ways, but so many
of our citizens are willing to inflict
this on women. It's disgusting.
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antrise
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Re: Abortion is hypocrisy...proof Posted: 06-21-08 01:12am
Snug
wrote:
Well, at least you are right
about one issue: Fetuses are not persons,
but potential persons. The only thing
standing between them and personhood is
birth.
And since they aren't persons, they have
no right to life under the Constitution.
Norma McCorvey has always been something
of an attention seeker, so your side can
have her as long as you promise not to
give her back. Deal?
Lastly, I can't speak for anyone else, but
I personally believe that women are
intelligent enough and thoughtful enough
to make up their own minds about abortion
without propaganda and waiting periods.
Your side appears to presume that women
are too stupid to do their own research,
and that they are so mentally vacant that
they show up to have an abortion without
having already thought the decision
through thoroughly.
So I guess my question would be, why do
you have such a low opinion of
women?
so what are they then?
flightless birds that somehow morph into
human beings at birth? they are
definately something or the woman would
not be pregnant. and exactly how does a
human being get pregnant with something
other than a human being. i know sheep get
pregnant with sheep whales get pregnant
with whales dogs get pregnant with dogs.
exactly what makes humans so different
from all other mammals that they aren't
pregnant with humans but something else.
and what is that something because it is
definately not a potential something or it
would not be there.
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Re: Abortion is hypocrisy...proof Posted: 06-21-08 01:19am
antrise
wrote:
Snug
wrote:
Well, at least you are right
about one issue: Fetuses are not persons,
but potential persons. The only thing
standing between them and personhood is
birth.
And since they aren't persons, they have
no right to life under the Constitution.
Norma McCorvey has always been something
of an attention seeker, so your side can
have her as long as you promise not to
give her back. Deal?
Lastly, I can't speak for anyone else, but
I personally believe that women are
intelligent enough and thoughtful enough
to make up their own minds about abortion
without propaganda and waiting periods.
Your side appears to presume that women
are too stupid to do their own research,
and that they are so mentally vacant that
they show up to have an abortion without
having already thought the decision
through thoroughly.
So I guess my question would be, why do
you have such a low opinion of
women?
so what are they then?
flightless birds that somehow morph into
human beings at birth? they are
definately something or the woman would
not be pregnant. and exactly how does a
human being get pregnant with something
other than a human being. i know sheep get
pregnant with sheep whales get pregnant
with whales dogs get pregnant with dogs.
exactly what makes humans so different
from all other mammals that they aren't
pregnant with humans but something else.
and what is that something because it is
definately not a potential something or it
would not be
there.
Do you even read what people write? You
didn't even answer her question. You just
blow off a lot of hot air that never makes
any sense.
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Posted: 06-21-08 06:25am
I am fully in favour of women having all
the information when deciding on
abortion.
But I also think that doctors should be
required to fully inform any women who
have a positive pregnancy test about what
is involved in pregnancy and childbirth. I
would also like to require compulsory
parenting classes for anyone who chooses
to have a child, to include fundamentals
of nutrition, discipline and education.
They should also need to prove that they
are financial able to provide for the
child if they decide to keep it.
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16 father
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Posted: 06-21-08 11:49am
"I would also like to REQUIRE compulsory
parenting classes for anyone who chooses
to have a child, to include fundamentals
of nutrition, discipline and education.
They should also need to prove that they
are financial able to provide for the
child if they decide to keep it."
some CHOICE huh? this is proof of more
ironic hypocrisy.
although, I do agree... more facts
typically yields the RIGHT decision.
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16 father
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Posted: 06-21-08 13:12pm
The pro-choice movement is based on
hypocrisy in multiple ways and has been
ever since it’s conception in the United
States….
The initial ruling in Roe vs. Wade
declared that abortion was considered
legal under the context that a people have
a “right to privacy”. Interestingly
enough the founding fathers of our nation
never declared a “right of privacy”
but did mention a “right to LIFE”.
Now, this does not mean that they didn’t
support a right to privacy but rather that
the former Supreme Court interpreted a
“right to privacy” to it’s absolute
fullest extent (as an unenumerated
/unlisted right) but blatantly IGNORED a
potential person’s “right to life”.
Further more, in Roe. Vs. Wade. Roe (the
founding mother of a person’s right to
abortion-aka Norma L. McCorvey "Jane Roe")
NEVER HAD AN ABORTION and later converted
to Christianity and CURRENTLY is an
extreme OPPONENT to the pro-choice
movement.
Also, the Pro-choice movement denies a
potential person’s right to choose life,
which they themselves were gifted with.
Feminists declare themselves as
independent, strong and free spirited yet
when faced with the decision to have their
own child (as a pro-choice standpoint)
they cringe at the prospect of giving
their child a chance at life (that they
were given).
Many pro-choice advocates don’t want
abortion clinics to provide mandatory
information about the procedure,
alternatives to an abortion, or even one
or more days to wait to think about their
decision. This pro-choice stand point
blatantly places the woman in a state of
IGNORANCE in opposition to a well thought
out CHOICE.
Don’t be fooled by hypocrisy…. LIFE is
a gift, NOT a CHOICE
(The text of the original post was
distorted from the way it was composed so
I posted this as a real copy)
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Posted: 06-21-08 14:09pm
16 father
wrote:
Don’t be fooled by hypocrisy…. LIFE is
a gift, NOT a CHOICE
Hey, welcome back!
16 father
wrote:
Further more, in Roe. Vs.
Wade. Roe (the founding mother of a
person’s right to abortion-aka Norma L.
McCorvey "Jane Roe") NEVER HAD AN ABORTION
and later converted to Christianity and
CURRENTLY is an extreme OPPONENT to the
pro-choice movement.
Then I, and millions of other women who
have chosen abortion, will take Jane Roe's
place. It doesn't matter.
16 father
wrote:
Also, the Pro-choice
movement denies a potential person’s
right to choose life, which they
themselves were gifted with. Feminists
declare themselves as independent, strong
and free spirited yet when faced with the
decision to have their own child (as a
pro-choice standpoint) they cringe at the
prospect of giving their child a chance at
life (that they were
given).
Painting with broad strokes never does any
one justice. Prochoicers advocates for
choice, regardless of that choice.
It's not that prochoice advocates are
swinging from railings screaming at women
to abort everthing they conceive. Prolife
advocates, on the other hand, scream at
women in the street to abort their
autonomy.
16 father
wrote:
Many pro-choice advocates
don’t want abortion clinics to provide
mandatory information about the procedure,
alternatives to an abortion, or even one
or more days to wait to think about their
decision. This pro-choice stand point
blatantly places the woman in a state of
IGNORANCE in opposition to a well thought
out CHOICE.
Find one prochoice advocate that doesn't
want abortion clinics to provide
information on the procedure.
Law requires that women wait a period of
time, in Ohio I believe it was 48 hours,
so you got that wish.
I find it interesting that women would
need to know "alternatives" (and really
there is only one alternative to abortion)
to abortion since they are well aware of
pregnancy and birth, and have that
information provided by the clinic, but I
am all for that too. Abortion isn't
always the right choice, and I want women
to be the most informed they can be.
If life is a gift, it's a gift from my
loins, and I'm glad my brain has dominion.
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antrise
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Re: Abortion is hypocrisy...proof Posted: 06-21-08 17:22pm
Lilly Ivy
wrote:
antrise
wrote:
Snug
wrote:
Well, at least you are right
about one issue: Fetuses are not persons,
but potential persons. The only thing
standing between them and personhood is
birth.
And since they aren't persons, they have
no right to life under the Constitution.
Norma McCorvey has always been something
of an attention seeker, so your side can
have her as long as you promise not to
give her back. Deal?
Lastly, I can't speak for anyone else, but
I personally believe that women are
intelligent enough and thoughtful enough
to make up their own minds about abortion
without propaganda and waiting periods.
Your side appears to presume that women
are too stupid to do their own research,
and that they are so mentally vacant that
they show up to have an abortion without
having already thought the decision
through thoroughly.
So I guess my question would be, why do
you have such a low opinion of
women?
so what are they then?
flightless birds that somehow morph into
human beings at birth? they are
definately something or the woman would
not be pregnant. and exactly how does a
human being get pregnant with something
other than a human being. i know sheep get
pregnant with sheep whales get pregnant
with whales dogs get pregnant with dogs.
exactly what makes humans so different
from all other mammals that they aren't
pregnant with humans but something else.
and what is that something because it is
definately not a potential something or it
would not be
there.
Do you even read what people write? You
didn't even answer her question. You just
blow off a lot of hot air that never makes
any sense.
how does
suggesting that humans are pregnant with
humans not make sense. and the the
question is based on an assumption making
it invalid and impossible to answer.
posing a question such as "do you have a
low opinion of women and if so why" is
valid.
