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_tanya_

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Posted: 05-18-08 13:22pm

mlynn wrote:
Thanks tanya for sharing your story. I am so very sorry for your loss and your pain...and I am sorry that society has made you feel like you "need" to be greatful for something which was out of your controol and didin't really "help" you much at all. All the love in the world and all the material things can never make up for the loss. The grief of adoptee's is overlooked and tossed aside but it is very real. It is all too common that other adoptee's feel similar.

I don't understand why teen pregnancy has to be "tragic" and abortion is "immoral" but adoption is a "miracle". It is more often the case...especially with domestic infant adoption...that adoption benifits the adoptive parents MORE then it benifits the child (or its mother for that matter). Peoples wants shouldn't be put above child's needs...and the need for connection with ones routs is a basic human need that can't be cut away or "loved" away.



Thanks for the reply. You wouldn't believe how many times i've heard that I should be grateful that I was given this "big" opportunity at life. As I said in my previous post, I never asked to be born.

Someone previously stated that if you asked an adoptee if they would rather be adopted or dead they would obviously choose adoption otherwise they would have killed themselves. I'm having a hard time comprehending the logic there. Obviously i'm alive now i'm not sorry to be alive nor do I want to kill myself but that doesn't in any way diminish the way i feel about my adoption or adoption in general. True I would not be here today if my mother aborted me, but that alone is not reason enough for me to embrace adoption.

I was adopted into a very wealthy family. I had absolutely everything money could buy and all the love in the world. It didn't change a thing. I guarantee you that as a human being, my basid need of knowing who I was and where I came from was never fullfilled and never will be fullfilled. Had I been with my 16 year old mother rather then placed for adoption I would not have had the opportunities I did, nor the lovely presents and vast travelling but in the end what does all that really mean when deep down your never truly happy?
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Posted: 05-18-08 14:17pm

_tanya_ wrote:
mlynn wrote:
Thanks tanya for sharing your story. I am so very sorry for your loss and your pain...and I am sorry that society has made you feel like you "need" to be greatful for something which was out of your controol and didin't really "help" you much at all. All the love in the world and all the material things can never make up for the loss. The grief of adoptee's is overlooked and tossed aside but it is very real. It is all too common that other adoptee's feel similar.

I don't understand why teen pregnancy has to be "tragic" and abortion is "immoral" but adoption is a "miracle". It is more often the case...especially with domestic infant adoption...that adoption benifits the adoptive parents MORE then it benifits the child (or its mother for that matter). Peoples wants shouldn't be put above child's needs...and the need for connection with ones routs is a basic human need that can't be cut away or "loved" away.



Thanks for the reply. You wouldn't believe how many times i've heard that I should be grateful that I was given this "big" opportunity at life. As I said in my previous post, I never asked to be born.

Someone previously stated that if you asked an adoptee if they would rather be adopted or dead they would obviously choose adoption otherwise they would have killed themselves. I'm having a hard time comprehending the logic there. Obviously i'm alive now i'm not sorry to be alive nor do I want to kill myself but that doesn't in any way diminish the way i feel about my adoption or adoption in general. True I would not be here today if my mother aborted me, but that alone is not reason enough for me to embrace adoption.

I was adopted into a very wealthy family. I had absolutely everything money could buy and all the love in the world. It didn't change a thing. I guarantee you that as a human being, my basid need of knowing who I was and where I came from was never fullfilled and never will be fullfilled. Had I been with my 16 year old mother rather then placed for adoption I would not have had the opportunities I did, nor the lovely presents and vast travelling but in the end what does all that really mean when deep down your never truly happy?


I wonder if you'd have been truly happy with your birth mother...
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_tanya_

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Posted: 05-18-08 15:22pm

Ingi wrote:
_tanya_ wrote:
mlynn wrote:
Thanks tanya for sharing your story. I am so very sorry for your loss and your pain...and I am sorry that society has made you feel like you "need" to be greatful for something which was out of your controol and didin't really "help" you much at all. All the love in the world and all the material things can never make up for the loss. The grief of adoptee's is overlooked and tossed aside but it is very real. It is all too common that other adoptee's feel similar.

I don't understand why teen pregnancy has to be "tragic" and abortion is "immoral" but adoption is a "miracle". It is more often the case...especially with domestic infant adoption...that adoption benifits the adoptive parents MORE then it benifits the child (or its mother for that matter). Peoples wants shouldn't be put above child's needs...and the need for connection with ones routs is a basic human need that can't be cut away or "loved" away.



Thanks for the reply. You wouldn't believe how many times i've heard that I should be grateful that I was given this "big" opportunity at life. As I said in my previous post, I never asked to be born.

Someone previously stated that if you asked an adoptee if they would rather be adopted or dead they would obviously choose adoption otherwise they would have killed themselves. I'm having a hard time comprehending the logic there. Obviously i'm alive now i'm not sorry to be alive nor do I want to kill myself but that doesn't in any way diminish the way i feel about my adoption or adoption in general. True I would not be here today if my mother aborted me, but that alone is not reason enough for me to embrace adoption.

I was adopted into a very wealthy family. I had absolutely everything money could buy and all the love in the world. It didn't change a thing. I guarantee you that as a human being, my basid need of knowing who I was and where I came from was never fullfilled and never will be fullfilled. Had I been with my 16 year old mother rather then placed for adoption I would not have had the opportunities I did, nor the lovely presents and vast travelling but in the end what does all that really mean when deep down your never truly happy?


I wonder if you'd have been truly happy with your birth mother...


I suppose that question can never be answered.

It has been well documented that adult adoptees have a much higher rate of developing self esteem, abandonment and identity issues because of their adoption. I'm not saying every adoptee goes through this but I personally have and have met numerous others who have as well.

Would i have been truly happier isn't actually a relevant question. Being happy or not doesn't matter. What I would have wanted to avoid was the pain i felt from the adoption itself, something that I don't think someone who was not in my position could possibly understand. I always had this irrational fear of loss kind of like "well it happened once to me so it could happen again".

Then theres the silly questions that seem trivial but to a pre-teen or child plague you constantly: "Who am I?" "Where do I get my music talent from" "What ethnic backround am I?" "Why do I not look like anyone in my family?" "What does my REAL family look like". I read this phrase on a website and i thought it fit in this situation: "I felt like a cereal box with no list of ingredients on it". I forever thought that EVERYone would eventually leave me and my personal relationships suffered because of this as well. I figured if my own mother could leave her own infant whats to stop others from doing it as well? Obviously now I have come to understand things differently through therapy.
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Posted: 05-19-08 11:21am

_tanya_ wrote:

I suppose that question can never be answered.

It has been well documented that adult adoptees have a much higher rate of developing self esteem, abandonment and identity issues because of their adoption. I'm not saying every adoptee goes through this but I personally have and have met numerous others who have as well.

Would i have been truly happier isn't actually a relevant question. Being happy or not doesn't matter. What I would have wanted to avoid was the pain i felt from the adoption itself, something that I don't think someone who was not in my position could possibly understand. I always had this irrational fear of loss kind of like "well it happened once to me so it could happen again".

Then theres the silly questions that seem trivial but to a pre-teen or child plague you constantly: "Who am I?" "Where do I get my music talent from" "What ethnic backround am I?" "Why do I not look like anyone in my family?" "What does my REAL family look like". I read this phrase on a website and i thought it fit in this situation: "I felt like a cereal box with no list of ingredients on it". I forever thought that EVERYone would eventually leave me and my personal relationships suffered because of this as well. I figured if my own mother could leave her own infant whats to stop others from doing it as well? Obviously now I have come to understand things differently through therapy.


You said you were unhappy in your life as an adoptee and resentful to your birth mother.

I have no father. No one I know (other than my mother) knows his name. He was an out of towner. He isn't listed on my birth certificate. I've never met him. I do not know him in any way. He has refused to see me, ever. I have no idea what my ingredients are either - I look American Indian but I could also be Mediterranean. This isn't soley an adoptee issure, there are entire generations of children who know nothing about their heritage or their background. And it is getting worse, with no forced custody arrangements and disposable relationships.

I'm glad you are seeking counselling.

ps. My husband is an adoptee so my daughter is really screwed when it comes to knowing anything about her background!
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Posted: 05-19-08 15:26pm

Ingi wrote:
_tanya_ wrote:

I suppose that question can never be answered.

It has been well documented that adult adoptees have a much higher rate of developing self esteem, abandonment and identity issues because of their adoption. I'm not saying every adoptee goes through this but I personally have and have met numerous others who have as well.

Would i have been truly happier isn't actually a relevant question. Being happy or not doesn't matter. What I would have wanted to avoid was the pain i felt from the adoption itself, something that I don't think someone who was not in my position could possibly understand. I always had this irrational fear of loss kind of like "well it happened once to me so it could happen again".

Then theres the silly questions that seem trivial but to a pre-teen or child plague you constantly: "Who am I?" "Where do I get my music talent from" "What ethnic backround am I?" "Why do I not look like anyone in my family?" "What does my REAL family look like". I read this phrase on a website and i thought it fit in this situation: "I felt like a cereal box with no list of ingredients on it". I forever thought that EVERYone would eventually leave me and my personal relationships suffered because of this as well. I figured if my own mother could leave her own infant whats to stop others from doing it as well? Obviously now I have come to understand things differently through therapy.


You said you were unhappy in your life as an adoptee and resentful to your birth mother.

I have no father. No one I know (other than my mother) knows his name. He was an out of towner. He isn't listed on my birth certificate. I've never met him. I do not know him in any way. He has refused to see me, ever. I have no idea what my ingredients are either - I look American Indian but I could also be Mediterranean. This isn't soley an adoptee issure, there are entire generations of children who know nothing about their heritage or their background. And it is getting worse, with no forced custody arrangements and disposable relationships.

I'm glad you are seeking counselling.

ps. My husband is an adoptee so my daughter is really screwed when it comes to knowing anything about her background!


Ingi, i was in no way implying that other children do not suffer the same way (whether being an adoptee or not). My point (with quite a bit of rambling in between lol) was that I personally would not intentionally put my own child through the adoption process because of my experience with it. I don't know if i would ever be able to go through with an abortion personally, but I know if it came down to absolutely NOT being able to keep the child then thats what I would do.

My son or daughter will not know entirely know their genetic makeup but I suppose thats something that theyre just going to have to accept and understand. My fiance is native american actually so at least one side is accounted for!
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Posted: 05-25-08 02:06am

wow, it sounds as though you have quite a bit of anxiety and/or depression over this issue. i know that when my son died, that one experience had changed me forever. for months afterwards i was scared to even be near any baby, i felt like a typhoid mary and that my presence would bring death. now that i have my second son, i find that even though he is 14 months old, i am still waiting for the day when i wake up and he will be gone. being an adoptee must be somewhat traumatizing for you and it separates you from the majority of the population just as how burrying my child separates me from the majority. sometimes i feel as though i am an outsider looking in on a world of people who are somewhat purer than me, or possibly just more ignorant (not a bad ignorant, that isnt an insult to anyone, infact im happy that most people are ignorant to that pain). many people have told me my thoughts are rediculous, but i think that they feel that way because they dont know anything else. i hope you find peace with yourself and are able to focus on the present and plan for the future, while laying your past down for a rest. it will never go away, it is a part of you, but i hope you can let it slip from the forefront of your mind and focus. i accept that the pain of losing my son will be with me forever, it is one of my badges i wear through the war of life. the pain never truly goes but i have just learned to live with it, like a constant backache. it is a PART of who i am.
best of luck and thank you for the insight into your perspective, you have opened my eyes a little wider today and for that i am a better person. thank you.
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