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Does the Fetus Feel Pain??

1.YES

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2.NO

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3.NOT SURE

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Does the Fetus Feel Pain?? Does The Fetus Have Brain Activity?? Posted: 05-21-08 00:39am


I don't know you tell me

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Posted: 05-21-08 03:51am


I don't care either way.

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Posted: 05-21-08 04:07am

You have to be much more specific with your question. What exactly do you mean by "fetus" How many weeks?

A "fetus" cannot feel pain until the brain is developed enough to form a closed circuit with the nervous system.

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 Pain is an emotional and psychological experience that requires conscious recognition of a noxious stimulus. Consequently, the capacity for conscious perception of pain can arise only after thalamocortical pathways begin to function, which may occur in the third trimester around 29 to 30 weeks’ gestational age, see link for full article:
http://jama. ama-assn.org/cgi/content/full/294/8/947

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Posted: 05-21-08 06:27am


Your poll needs to be expanded to include stages of development. A developing "baby" is incapable of feeling pain until the brain has developed to to communicate with pain receptors, which doesn't occur until the final trimester. There is no "yes" or "no" answer because you fail to specify a stage of development.

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Posted: 05-21-08 22:43pm


Of course the fetus feels pain but it depends on how developed it is. But, no one really knows for sure when it starts feeling pain. Most people say during third trimester. Some say second trimester. Some even say they don't feel pain at all no matter the gestation which is ridiculous because that would mean that you either somehow magically get pain receptors when you are born or your brain doesn't start working until birth! And some people even think they can always feel pain, even from early embryonic stage, which we know that isn't possible.

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Posted: 05-27-08 11:16am


As per research that was done they say that a fetus cant feel pain till later in the pregnancy after 20 something weeks, when I find the article I will post it, it is written by a medical team of different specialist and was useful for what I was looking into.

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can a fetus feel pain Posted: 06-22-08 19:18pm


Hi I'm a newby hear is some info I picked up from a web sight . Legal or clinical mandates to prevent pain in fetuses are based on limited evidence and may put women seeking abortion at unnecessary risk. This paper outlines neurodevelopment in fetuses in the context of pain experience The US federal government is considering legislation that will require doctors to inform women seeking abortions that "there is substantial evidence that the process of being killed in an abortion will cause the unborn child pain."w1 The bill mandates that a fetus of more than 22 weeks' gestational age should receive pain reducing drugs before an abortion. Doctors who fail to comply can be fined $100 000 (£57 700; 84 000) and can lose their licence and Medicaid funding.

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can a fetus feel pain continued Posted: 06-22-08 19:24pm


More info on same page ,legal or federal clinical mandates. This paper discusses whether there is sufficient evidence to support a concept of fetal pain through an examination of fetal neurobiology and the relation to experience. Important neurobiological developments occur at 7, 18, and 26 weeks' gestation and are the proposed periods for when a fetus can feel pain. Although the developmental changes during these periods are remarkable they do not tell us whether the fetus can experience pain. The subjective experience of pain cannot be inferred from anatomical developments because these developments do not account for subjectivity and the conscious contents of pain.

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Re: can a fetus feel pain
Posted: 06-22-08 21:07pm

Iluvjesus wrote:

Hi I'm a newby hear is some info I picked up from a web sight .
Legal or clinical mandates to prevent pain in fetuses are based on limited evidence and may put women seeking abortion at unnecessary risk. This paper outlines neurodevelopment in fetuses in the context of pain experience

The US federal government is considering legislation that will require doctors to inform women seeking abortions that "there is substantial evidence that the process of being killed in an abortion will cause the unborn child pain."w1 The bill mandates that a fetus of more than 22 weeks' gestational age should receive pain reducing drugs before an abortion. Doctors who fail to comply can be fined $100 000 (£57 700; 84 000) and can lose their licence and Medicaid funding.

First off this is misinformation, please post valid government sites with this legislation...

Abortion in the first term is usually done between 6-12 weeks, which we all know the fetus does not feel pain, in order for someone to have an abortion at 22 week there would have to complications, mothers health in danger etc (depending on where you live.)

Planned parenthood, is funded by the government of Canada and United states, planned parenthood is funded by the government because they believe that education is more power, knowledge is the key to birth control etc.

I would like to know what government site you pulled that from because I can back my stuff up with valid links.

Doctors have acknowledge that a baby/z/e/f needs a cortex to connect to the brain in order to feel pain, the cortex connects the brain to the pain nerves in the end of second trimester (24/25/ weeks on.) Therefore if the nerves havent connected to the brain, the fetus cannot feel pain as the brain needs to send a message to the nervous system in order for us to understand that.

ABORTION CARRIES LESS MEDICAL RISK THAN HAVINGA BABY FULL TERM...

ALL SURGICAL PROCEDURES CARRY THE SAME RISK BUT THE RISK IS STILL LOWER FOR SOME GOING THROUGH AN ABORTION,THAN GIVING BIRTH

PROVEN FACT.

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Re: can a fetus feel pain continued
Posted: 06-22-08 21:12pm

Iluvjesus wrote:

More info on same page ,legal or federal clinical mandates.
This paper discusses whether there is sufficient evidence to support a concept of fetal pain through an examination of fetal neurobiology and the relation to experience. Important neurobiological developments occur at 7,

LOL!!! What exactly is this development?

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18, and 26 weeks' gestation and are the proposed periods for when a fetus can feel pain. Although the developmental changes during these periods are remarkable they do not tell us whether the fetus can experience pain. The subjective experience of pain cannot be inferred from anatomical developments because these developments do not account for subjectivity and the conscious contents of pain.

What does that last part in bold mean?

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Re: can a fetus feel pain continued
Posted: 06-22-08 22:18pm

aochriss wrote:

Iluvjesus wrote:

LOL!!! What exactly is this development?

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What does that last part in bold mean?

what does this have to do with anything having to do with abortions. why should anyone care whether the child fells pain or not? what difference does it make wether the child feels pain or not? some arbitrary value judgement that some abortionists that think of themselves as some sort of gods decided to make?

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Re: can a fetus feel pain continued
Posted: 06-23-08 05:52am

antrise wrote:

Well, you see, the anti-abortion squad often trots out the "feels pain" argument against abortions. I agree, it makes no difference whatever. Feeling pain is a completley spurious argument, since all creatures feel pain. Of course, humaneness means trying to minimise suffering in all creatures when it is necessary to cull them or kill them for food.

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Posted: 06-23-08 16:16pm


humans can be killed without pain at all levels of development. and i still don't get the association between pain and death. people can die without feeling pain. people can feel pain witout dieing. i just don't get it.

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Re: can a fetus feel pain continued
Posted: 06-23-08 18:45pm

antrise wrote:

what does this have to do with anything having to do with abortions. why should anyone care whether the child fells pain or not? what difference does it make wether the child feels pain or not?

Excellent post. Whether the fetus feels pain or not is wholly irrelevant to the abortion debate. It is still a woman's right to choose to terminate a pregnancy.

That said, I don't see a problem with euthanizing the fetus prior to a later abortion for fetal anomaly. The theory is that the abortion is occurring to prevent suffering, so why not come down on the side of caution and euthanize first just in case?

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Re: can a fetus feel pain continued
Posted: 06-23-08 19:52pm

Snug wrote:

antrise wrote:

what does this have to do with anything having to do with abortions. why should anyone care whether the child fells pain or not? what difference does it make wether the child feels pain or not?

there is no such thing as a right to choose and an abortion is a privilage not a right. a privilage granted to people because that is easier than argueing with them.

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Posted: 06-23-08 21:46pm


You've been reported. I don't expect you'll be around long if you keep this up.

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Posted: 06-24-08 07:47am

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You've been reported. I don't expect you'll be around long if you keep this up.

i thought that making death threats against people whos opinions you disagree with is illegal. which is exactly what you are doing.

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Posted: 06-24-08 09:20am

antrise wrote:

there is no such thing as a right to choose and an abortion is a privilage not a right. a privilage granted to vicious self centered homicidal maniacs because that is easier than argueing with them.

Hey antrise self centered only applies if they dont contribute to life in anyway shape or form.

If self-centered means the same as ego centrism then you will happy to learn you are self centered

In psychology, egocentrism is defined as a) the incomplete differentiation of the self and the world, including other people and b) the tendency to perceive, understand and interpret the world in terms of the self. The term derives from the Greek egô, meaning "I". An egocentric person has no theory of mind, cannot "put himself in other people's shoes," and believes everyone sees what he sees (or that what he sees in some way exceeds what others see.)

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Posted: 06-24-08 16:22pm

antrise wrote:

Reptar wrote:

You've been reported. I don't expect you'll be around long if you keep this up.

i thought that making death threats against people whos opinions you disagree with is illegal. which is exactly what you are doing.

If you couldn't figure out I was referring to this forum, you're dense. And your opinion is offensive, that's also against the rules on this forum.

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Posted: 06-25-08 01:41am


I love it when he posts his opinion, because it shows the pl movement for what it really is. If you don't think that more pl'ers than not share his sentiments, you are sadly mistaken.