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msrosie
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Posted: 03-10-08 17:05pm
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I am in Canada and I have not heard of
this happening (doctors refusing to do
paps). I also cannot find a credible,
unbiased source for this claim. I'm very
skeptical. IF this were happening, the
doctor(s) should be reported to their
governing body and the governing body
would be taking action.
A couple other things:
1. The article starts out claiming that
doctors (multiple) are refusing to do
paps, but only gives the example of one.
2. The article does not name the doctor
it's alleging is refusing to do paps.
For once, I agree with Yodavatar.
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Tylanas
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Posted: 03-10-08 21:59pm
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Well, now that a calm and polite request
for verification has been given, I am sure
Snug will do her best to validate her
sources.
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yodavater
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Posted: 03-11-08 08:50am
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| Birch
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So it does make a difference what religion
it is? |
It makes a difference to know what the
alleged "reason" is. So far, I've
seen absolutely nothing to indicate why
anyone would object to doing a pap smear.
It simply makes no sense to me to try to
tie it to a prolife position.
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Posted: 03-11-08 09:34am
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Refusing to do pap smears is not a
pro-life position. It's an anti-woman
position, just like refusing to dispense
birth control and denying women abortion
rights.
As far as the source of this particular
story goes, as stated in the blog entry,
it was from an award-winning essay about
choice. So I'll just have to track down
the original essay, and then we can all
put the information in context for
ourselves. But I'm more inclined to
believe it than I am, say, those
fantastical tales about women who changed
their mind, and the doctor and his staff
wrestled them down and performed an
abortion anyway.
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yodavater
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Posted: 03-13-08 11:21am
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| Snug
wrote: | | Refusing to do pap smears is
not a pro-life position.
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Exactly.
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Posted: 03-14-08 00:31am
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| yodavater
wrote: | | Snug
wrote: | | Refusing to do pap smears is
not a pro-life position.
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Exactly. |
Neither is bombing clinics and killing
doctors... yet pro-lifers do that, too.
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Posted: 03-14-08 04:02am
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Now that I think of it, I haven't seen nor
heard of a prochoicer bombing "crisis
pregnancy" centers or shooting prolife
protesters. Interesting how the most
violent ones claim to be "prolife".
Oh yeah, I don't consider tearing off
someone's "prolife" bumper sticker or
shouting in the faces of creepy old men
taking pictures of women trying to get
health care "violence", any more than the
pro-slavery people consider harassment of
women "violence". The interesting thing
is that certain "prolifers" will count
prochoice self-defence and retaliation as
"violence" yet cheer outright homicide and
terrorist attacks as well as blatant
violation of privacy as "Justice".
Make no mistake, they want all the rights
to be violent and personally disruptive,
but if a prochoicer so much as glares at
them it's suddenly a death threat. I've
seen some really ugly people with a load
of really fat women AND MEN spewing out
the mouth having the nerve to call anyone
that stands up for women's choice as fat,
ugly and evil...however I have never seen
as many out-of-shape prochoicers as I've
seen prolifers. Maybe the women can't
take care of themselves because they're
spewing babies out every year and the men
are so full of themselves they think all
it takes to be a father is to shoot sperm.
We could all go into horrible
generalizations.
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Posted: 03-14-08 11:23am
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| Eiri
wrote: | | yodavater
wrote: | | Snug
wrote: | | Refusing to do pap smears is
not a pro-life position.
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Exactly. |
Neither is bombing clinics and killing
doctors... yet pro-lifers do that,
too. |
Or taking photographs of strange women
entering clinics for surgery... 
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lonestarguy
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Posted: 03-15-08 20:47pm
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| Darkmoon
wrote: | Now that I think of it, I
haven't seen nor heard of a prochoicer
bombing "crisis pregnancy" centers or
shooting prolife protesters. Interesting
how the most violent ones claim to be
"prolife".
Oh yeah, I don't consider tearing off
someone's "prolife" bumper sticker or
shouting in the faces of creepy old men
taking pictures of women trying to get
health care "violence", any more than the
pro-slavery people consider harassment of
women "violence". The interesting thing
is that certain "prolifers" will count
prochoice self-defence and retaliation as
"violence" yet cheer outright homicide and
terrorist attacks as well as blatant
violation of privacy as "Justice".
Make no mistake, they want all the rights
to be violent and personally disruptive,
but if a prochoicer so much as glares at
them it's suddenly a death threat. I've
seen some really ugly people with a load
of really fat women AND MEN spewing out
the mouth having the nerve to call anyone
that stands up for women's choice as fat,
ugly and evil...however I have never seen
as many out-of-shape prochoicers as I've
seen prolifers. Maybe the women can't
take care of themselves because they're
spewing babies out every year and the men
are so full of themselves they think all
it takes to be a father is to shoot sperm.
We could all go into horrible
generalizations.
I'm tired of it all, to tell you the
truth. My body is mine. Yoda and his
pro-slavery clan can kiss my pristine
white butt. I really don't care
anymore. |
I do agree with your view that most
violence in these confrontations is
exhibited by the prolife supporters.
Violence and prolife, sort of an oxymoron
really.
I think prochoice supporters tend to be
more rational about women's rights, while
religion probably plays a large part in
the prolife stance. There seems to be much
more hatred on the prolife side towards
prochoice in general and women in
particular.
You are right. Women's bodies are their
own and they should be in control of it. I
do understand your frustration with the
constant barrage of prolife drivel, but, I
don't think I'll show my displeasure quite
as graphically as you did. Haha
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yodavater
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Posted: 03-16-08 13:27pm
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| Eiri
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Neither is bombing clinics and killing
doctors... yet pro-lifers do that,
too. |
But at least that has a clear goal that is
related to saving babies.... this does
not.
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yodavater
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Posted: 03-16-08 13:29pm
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| Birch
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Or taking photographs of strange women
entering clinics for surgery...
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But at least you know why I am doing
that...... why are these "prolife" doctors
refusing to do pap smears..... what's the
"connection" to being prolife?
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Look!
Posted: 03-16-08 21:38pm
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| yodavater
wrote: | | Eiri
wrote: |
Neither is bombing clinics and killing
doctors... yet pro-lifers do that,
too. |
But at least that
has a clear goal that is related to saving
babies.... this does
not. |
I want everyone to take note of this.
What do
you think yodavater is saying?
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Tylanas
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Posted: 03-16-08 21:57pm
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Yes. Bombing clinics = clear way to save
babies. Not sure how, though.
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