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How much do you admit???
Posted: 04-16-08 22:31pm
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Just a quick thing to post; afterwards,
post your reasons, and why you voted the
way you did.
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Darkmoon
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Posted: 04-17-08 10:04am
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I'll admit that I feel sincere pity for
you if you are truly a woman, and I will
admit the scientific truth that an unborn
zygote/embryo/fetus is a potential child
and no more than that.
Now, fair is fair. How about you admit
that you come from a site full of
homicidal maniacs bent on killing anyone
that works in a clinic designed to keep
women healthy and also advocates invading
the privacy of every woman in the US by
taking pictures of her whilst she's
entering a clinic for a pap and posting it
on the web?
While we're at it, let's talk about HPV
and the women who have contracted it
thanks to you and your friends doing
everything they possibly can to prevent
them from not only accessing proper and
safe birth control but female health care
as well?
Your imaginary "womb children" have yet to
make an appearance little girl, but
thousands of living, breathing women all
over this planet are suffering cancers and
disease that could have otherwise been
avoided if it weren't for your psycho
friends bombing and threatening their
health clinics and workers.
Maybe you think it's your purpose in life
as a female to suffer and maybe you're
willing to get HPV from your husband
because you trust him to be faithful and
you're thick enough to think you were his
first, but your self-martyrdom doesn't
expand to the rest of us nor does it give
you authority to put the rest of us at
risk.
Worry about your own body for a change.
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oopoopoop
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Posted: 04-17-08 10:14am
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Did you know that homicide is the leading
cause of death of pregnant women?
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Darkmoon
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Posted: 04-17-08 10:19am
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| poopoopoo
wrote: | | Did you know that homicide
is the leading cause of death of pregnant
women? |
So true and so terrible. If I had the
means and the legal certificate I would
dedicate my life to hunting these dogs
down.
Coerced abortion through violence is no
choice. I am pro-choice.
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Jules
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Posted: 04-17-08 15:15pm
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| poopoopoo
wrote: | | Did you know that homicide
is the leading cause of death of pregnant
women? |
No need to ask who the perpetrators are I
suppose...
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Posted: 04-17-08 15:20pm
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I chose the first one...I think it's still
killing but it's legal so who am I to say
that someone can't do it if they deem it
necessary for themselves.
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Posted: 04-17-08 17:32pm
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Abortion kills a POTENTIAL child. I'm not
going to "admit" that it's a real child,
but I'll admit it's a living fetus/embryo
that has a good chance of becoming a
child. I agree with the law in terms of
when it's okay. I really only "like"
abortions for medical reasons or because
birth control failed because I think too
many people are relying on abortion
instead of being responsible about their
birth control. However, I'm not looking
for the law on abortion to change,
regardless of how much I "dislike" the
other types of abortion.
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Posted: 04-17-08 21:37pm
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"Child" can simply mean offspring, and
that literally is what a fetus is. So yes,
abortion kills a child. But sometimes,
it's OK. So that option was worded exactly
for my beliefs!!
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Posted: 04-17-08 22:05pm
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Since it's an opinionated poll, it's my
opinion that abortion doesn't kill a
"child", especially not an early term
abortion. In official forms, while
pregnant, one doesn't mark down that they
have a child. While a women may consider
it her "child" while pregnant, I don't. I
consider it an embryo or a fetus until
it's viable and I'll admit that it's
living.
It's only potentially a child to the
parents who want it.
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Tylanas
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Posted: 04-17-08 22:08pm
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Well, opinion or not, the word "child" is
accurate to describe the unborn whether
you like that fact or not.
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jujujellybean
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Posted: 04-17-08 22:11pm
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| Darkmoon
wrote: | I'll admit that I feel
sincere pity for you if you are truly a
woman, and I will admit the scientific
truth that an unborn zygote/embryo/fetus
is a potential child and no more than
that.
Now, fair is fair. How about you admit
that you come from a site full of
homicidal maniacs bent on killing anyone
that works in a clinic designed to keep
women healthy and also advocates invading
the privacy of every woman in the US by
taking pictures of her whilst she's
entering a clinic for a pap and posting it
on the web?
While we're at it, let's talk about HPV
and the women who have contracted it
thanks to you and your friends doing
everything they possibly can to prevent
them from not only accessing proper and
safe birth control but female health care
as well?
Your imaginary "womb children" have yet to
make an appearance little girl, but
thousands of living, breathing women all
over this planet are suffering cancers and
disease that could have otherwise been
avoided if it weren't for your psycho
friends bombing and threatening their
health clinics and workers.
Maybe you think it's your purpose in life
as a female to suffer and maybe you're
willing to get HPV from your husband
because you trust him to be faithful and
you're thick enough to think you were his
first, but your self-martyrdom doesn't
expand to the rest of us nor does it give
you authority to put the rest of us at
risk.
Worry about your own body for a
change. |
I don't come from homicidal maniacs; where
did you get that impression? And I don't
support people taking pictures of women;
it IS an invasion of privacy. I wouldn't
want someone taking a picture of me like
that. I don't agree with abortion, but
wouldn't do that!!!!
While we are at it, lets talk about the
40-50 million people that would be walking
around today if they hadn't been aborted.
Sad, huh? The women are important to me,
too, and I treat them just like their
children and kids: with respect.
URRRRRGGGGGHHHHH!!!! Can't anyone see how
unfair this is? Do I have any supprt here?
I come here and get bombarded with what I
'believe' when I don't believe it at all.
It's quite annoying!!! I wouldn't agree
with those threatening to bomb, kill, or
do anything; 'it is not good to do an
intrinsically evil act so good may come of
it.' That's my motto.
My own body is healthy thank you. But when
it involves killing a child or trying to
stop one from being killed, I feel the
need to do something. Wouldn't you? If you
saw someone about to kill a little girl,
wouldn't you do something about it? I
would.
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jujujellybean
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Posted: 04-17-08 22:13pm
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| Reptar
wrote: | Since it's an opinionated
poll, it's my opinion that abortion
doesn't kill a "child", especially not an
early term abortion. In official forms,
while pregnant, one doesn't mark down that
they have a child. While a women may
consider it her "child" while pregnant, I
don't. I consider it an embryo or a fetus
until it's viable and I'll admit that it's
living.
It's only potentially a child to the
parents who want
it. |
Well, then, what is the embryo/fetus? A
baby cow? What about a dog? Oooo...or it
could be a frog!!!! It is a baby human.
Since when did you have to be viable to be
human???
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jujujellybean
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Posted: 04-17-08 22:14pm
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| manuftw82
wrote: | | I chose the first one...I
think it's still killing but it's legal so
who am I to say that someone can't do it
if they deem it necessary for
themselves. |
Who are you to say that killing a born
person is bad, either? If that was legal,
would you be all for it?
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Posted: 04-17-08 22:15pm
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| jujujellybean
wrote: | | Reptar
wrote: | Since it's an opinionated
poll, it's my opinion that abortion
doesn't kill a "child", especially not an
early term abortion. In official forms,
while pregnant, one doesn't mark down that
they have a child. While a women may
consider it her "child" while pregnant, I
don't. I consider it an embryo or a fetus
until it's viable and I'll admit that it's
living.
It's only potentially a child to the
parents who want
it. |
Well, then, what is the embryo/fetus? A
baby cow? What about a dog? Oooo...or it
could be a frog!!!! It is a baby human.
Since when did you have to be viable to be
human??? |
That's what I'd like to know.
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Posted: 04-18-08 07:18am
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Where did I say it wasn't a human? I'd
like to see that. It's not a CHILD in my
opinion, but please, continue stretching
your words to suit your desires.
And Tylanas, the whole poll is OPINION. It
may be an accurate word, but it's just as
much as embryo/fetus. Abortion kills one
of those, in my opinion. Just like how in
her opinion it's never right, is her
opinion wrong too? Because according to
the law, it is.
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Posted: 04-18-08 07:26am
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If someone is 8 weeks pregnant, and you
ask how many children they have, the
answer is NONE. So how does abortion
involve killing a child?
Oh...I guess every time someone has an
abortion, they go down to the local school
and shoot one?
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Posted: 04-18-08 07:58am
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| Reptar
wrote: | Where did I say it wasn't a
human? I'd like to see that. It's not a
CHILD in my opinion, but please, continue
stretching your words to suit your
desires.
And Tylanas, the whole poll is OPINION. It
may be an accurate word, but it's just as
much as embryo/fetus. Abortion kills one
of those, in my opinion. Just like how in
her opinion it's never right, is her
opinion wrong too? Because according to
the law, it
is. |
By denying it to be a child, you are
denying it any form of status, and IF some
alien came here, didn't know our
scientific terms and heard people saying
"I am having an embryo!" They would know
what that was? You would have to explain
that an embryo is a baby human!
Seriously, have you ever heard a woman
say, "hi!!! Did you know I am pregnant
with an embryo right now???" She says
instead, "I am pregnant." And that word
literally means, "having a child or other
offspring developing in the body; with
child or young, as a woman or female
mammal." Notice that is the FIRST
definition on dictionary.com.
According to the law, a long time ago,
slavery was fine too. Should we continue
this debate?
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jujujellybean
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Posted: 04-18-08 08:06am
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| poopoopoo
wrote: | If someone is 8 weeks
pregnant, and you ask how many children
they have, the answer is NONE. So how does
abortion involve killing a child?
Oh...I guess every time someone has an
abortion, they go down to the local school
and shoot
one? |
Yes, that's because they are not caring
for it physically, even though it is
living in the mother. Because child
literally means human fetus, according to
dictionary.com!!!
Child:
1. a person between birth and full growth;
a boy or girl: books for children.
2. a son or daughter: All my children are
married.
3. a baby or infant.
4. a human fetus.
How does abortion involve killing a child:
IT IS A CHILD according to the dictionary.
therefore when you have an abortion, you
kill a child.
Hmmm...no...because a fetus is a child it
kills a child. End of story.
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Posted: 04-18-08 09:02am
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| Reptar
wrote: | | Where did I say it wasn't a
human? I'd like to see that. It's not a
CHILD in my opinion,
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Your opinion doesn't quite matter when the
FACT is that "child" means offspring and
an embryo/fetus is OFFSPRING.
I honestly feel the option "It's not a
child!" shouldn't even be ON there, since
it IS a child, fact and point. I can say
the sky is green all day long, but it's
still blue.
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Posted: 04-18-08 09:43am
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Oh please God let's not go down the
dictionary route again... 
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