I know abortion kills a child; its still mothers option
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abortion DOES NOT kill a child; that's ludicrous
32%
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abortion kills a child, but is ok only sometimes
8%
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abortion kills a child; that's why its all wrong!
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AyaMiyaki
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Posted: 05-08-08 19:00pm
What you don't seem to understand or care
about is that making abortion illegal will
not stop these women from seeking one. It
will just force them to go riskier routes
to achieve one. Coat hangers, drug
overdoses, throwing themselves down
staircases, or going to some quack
"doctor" who uses unsanitized instruments.
Not only with the fetus probably not
survive, but the mother is at great risk
herself.
And who are you to tell these women not to
have sex? Do you know their situation?
Maybe they were raped and are too
embarrassed or scared to tell someone, or
maybe they're in an abusive relationship.
Maybe they're happily married and their
birth control failed. Maybe birth control
simply does not work for them. One of our
users, CaryFairy, can't use hormonal birth
control and has gotten pregnant multiple
times on other forms.
Abortion is legal because these women
deserve proper medical treatment. If
they've made their mind up to have an
abortion, they deserve to have one that is
quick, sanitary and safe. If you want to
stop abortion, you need to try another
route. You need to research ways of making
birth control more widely available for
teenagers and women. You need to volunteer
in women's shelters and support groups for
rape and abuse. You might want to
volunteer at a crisis pregnancy center
that offers alternatives to abortion, or
volunteer at an adoption agency.
Trying to make abortion illegal is
tackling the symptom, not the cause. If
you really want to do something about it,
you need to get to these women before
they've had to make the decision to do
this. And that includes NOT making them
feel guilty for being a human being and
having sex. If you're really going to
preach abstinence, you won't get far at
all. Try to understand these women, their
needs and desires, and their motives, and
you might actually make some progress.
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Posted: 05-08-08 19:04pm
jujujellybean
wrote:
Can you compare that to the
fifty million abortions that have occurred
in the US alone since 1973? There would be
FIFTY MILLION more people here if they
hadn't had abortions. And you support
it?
What would this world be with 50 million
more people in it? 50 million people that
were obviously not wanted by their
families? Do you think there were 50
million families ready and eager to adopt
these children? Do you think there were 50
million happy endings just waiting to
write themselves?
Are you aware of the statistics of
children waiting in foster care waiting
for a family? Are you aware of the
statistics of children suffering from
loneliness and abuse? I don't exactly see
50 million more of them as a huge
blessing. It breaks my heart, actually.
I support a woman's right to choose what's
best for herself in her situation. I don't
presume to know better for her than she
does, and I don't judge her for her
decisions. That's what I support. I
support her ability to know what's best
for herself.
50 million more people in this world
doesn't sound like a good thing to me at
all. The majority of those potential
people were aborted for very good reasons,
and long before they were ever able to
think, or feel, or do anything remotely
baby-like.
Can you compare that to the
fifty million abortions that have occurred
in the US alone since 1973? There would be
FIFTY MILLION more people here if they
hadn't had abortions. And you support
it?
What would this world be with 50 million
more people in it? 50 million people that
were obviously not wanted by their
families? Do you think there were 50
million families ready and eager to adopt
these children? Do you think there were 50
million happy endings just waiting to
write themselves?
Lets see;
there wouldn't as much of a need for
illegal immigration IMO because there
would be Americans to hire to those jobs.
Who said life always has a happy ending?
Is that a reason to end it? If there is a
guy who sits around all day and never does
anything, and he dies a horrible death,
should we have killed him earlier because
he wasn'g going to have a 'happy
ending'?
Are you aware of the statistics of
children waiting in foster care waiting
for a family? Are you aware of the
statistics of children suffering from
loneliness and abuse? I don't exactly see
50 million more of them as a huge
blessing. It breaks my heart, actually.
Yes; and I
am sure if one of those children got
killed it would break your heart again,
wouldn't it? That's not what you are
saying though; if they are going to have a
hard life, let's kill them and save them
the pain.
I support a woman's right to choose what's
best for herself in her situation. I don't
presume to know better for her than she
does, and I don't judge her for her
decisions. That's what I support. I
support her ability to know what's best
for herself.
Forget the baby growing in her that will
be cut into pieces. Forget that it will be
sucked out of her with a vacuum ten times
as powerful as any of ours. Forget it will
never live. The woman knows what's best.
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oopoopoop
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Posted: 05-14-08 16:40pm
jujujellybean
wrote:
Forget the baby growing in her that will
be cut into pieces. Forget that it will be
sucked out of her with a vacuum ten times
as powerful as any of ours. Forget it will
never live. The woman knows what's
best.
Well said. I am glad you are finally
beginning to understand!
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jujujellybean
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Posted: 05-14-08 18:00pm
wow! it doesn't matter in the least to you
that the baby is being ripped to shreds,
or stabbed in the nape of the neck with
scissors so they can remove the brains?
How can you justify that?
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Birch
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Posted: 05-15-08 09:53am
The prolife propaganda machine has really
worked you over.
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ri0tdorque
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Posted: 05-15-08 17:03pm
manuftw82
wrote:
I chose the first one...I
think it's still killing but it's legal so
who am I to say that someone can't do it
if they deem it necessary for
themselves.
I just wanted to say good for you.
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jujujellybean
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Posted: 05-16-08 08:58am
Birch
wrote:
The prolife propaganda
machine has really worked you
over.
really? I just think I've researched it.
They really do that stuff you know. If you
want the link, I'll send it to you over pm
because it is probably over PG 13. It is
quite sick to know the truth, huh?
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oopoopoop
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Posted: 05-16-08 09:11am
jujujellybean
wrote:
Birch
wrote:
The prolife propaganda
machine has really worked you
over.
really? I just think I've researched it.
They really do that stuff you know. If you
want the link, I'll send it to you over pm
because it is probably over PG 13. It is
quite sick to know the truth,
huh?
The truth is something you will probably
never know.
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Birch
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Posted: 05-16-08 12:17pm
jujujellybean
wrote:
Birch
wrote:
The prolife propaganda
machine has really worked you
over.
really? I just think I've researched it.
They really do that stuff you know. If you
want the link, I'll send it to you over pm
because it is probably over PG 13. It is
quite sick to know the truth,
huh?
Yeah, propaganda is really easy to find on
the internet.
You know most abortions occur early, and
have nothing to do with what you are
talking about, blah blah, and you know
that late term abortions as you have so
eloquently described are rare and done in
life/death situations, so c'mon, get with
the program.
I've had an abortion and I am well aware
of the reality of the situation.
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aochriss
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Posted: 05-16-08 14:26pm
jujujellybean
wrote:
Birch
wrote:
The prolife propaganda
machine has really worked you
over.
really? I just think I've researched it.
They really do that stuff you know. If you
want the link, I'll send it to you over pm
because it is probably over PG 13. It is
quite sick to know the truth,
huh?
Tell us, then, Juju, exactly what is
entailed in the average abortion? How far
along is the pregnancy? How big is the
"baby"? How developed is it?
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NeutralUsername
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Posted: 05-16-08 14:37pm
aochriss
wrote:
jujujellybean
wrote:
Birch
wrote:
The prolife propaganda
machine has really worked you
over.
really? I just think I've researched it.
They really do that stuff you know. If you
want the link, I'll send it to you over pm
because it is probably over PG 13. It is
quite sick to know the truth,
huh?
Tell us, then, Juju, exactly what is
entailed in the average abortion? How far
along is the pregnancy? How big is the
"baby"? How developed is
it?
I know what happens. The human being
sucked out is usually in it's embryonic
stage or early fetal stage. And during the
process of being sucked out, it dies. And
it ends up looking like a mess of tissue
even though in life, it was more than just
tissue. The suction turned it into
something that looks like jello. Size and
development don't really matter because it
doesn't make anyone-born or unborn-less
human.
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oopoopoop
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Posted: 05-16-08 14:59pm
Don't forget medical abortions -- then
it's just like a miscarriage.
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NeutralUsername
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Posted: 05-16-08 15:01pm
oopoopoop
wrote:
Don't forget medical
abortions -- then it's just like a
miscarriage.
Except that it intentionally kills the
fetal or embryonic human.
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oopoopoop
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Posted: 05-16-08 15:13pm
antibigot
wrote:
oopoopoop
wrote:
Don't forget medical
abortions -- then it's just like a
miscarriage.
Except that it intentionally kills the
fetal or embryonic
human.
Yeah, well...that's sort of the point.
Those who have a problem with that
shouldn't have an abortion. The idea of
having a human inside me is why I keep a
wire coat-hanger handy, just in case.
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aochriss
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Posted: 05-16-08 15:15pm
antibigot
wrote:
oopoopoop
wrote:
Don't forget medical
abortions -- then it's just like a
miscarriage.
Except that it intentionally kills the
fetal or embryonic
human.
It doesn't bother me when someone says
that, but it does bother me when someone
believes that abortion entails anything
more than this.
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NeutralUsername
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Posted: 05-16-08 15:34pm
aochriss
wrote:
antibigot
wrote:
oopoopoop
wrote:
Don't forget medical
abortions -- then it's just like a
miscarriage.
Except that it intentionally kills the
fetal or embryonic
human.
It doesn't bother me when someone says
that, but it does bother me when someone
believes that abortion entails anything
more than this.
Not all abortions occur at the embryonic
stage. So, an abortion CAN entail more
than that picture of a dead embryo. The
bigger the unborn human, the more you will
see.
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jujujellybean
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Posted: 05-16-08 22:40pm
aochriss
wrote:
antibigot
wrote:
oopoopoop
wrote:
Don't forget medical
abortions -- then it's just like a
miscarriage.
Except that it intentionally kills the
fetal or embryonic
human.
It doesn't bother me when someone says
that, but it does bother me when someone
believes that abortion entails anything
more than this.
It does.
When was that? The day she got pregnant?
When you get later on, obviously you can
see it is more easily a human. That is
irrelevant though; even if you were
horribly mangled and looked nothing like a
human, you still are.
It still kills a child; that is one baby
that will look up or see or anything. And
it's sad.
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jujujellybean
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Posted: 05-16-08 22:44pm
aochriss
wrote:
jujujellybean
wrote:
Birch
wrote:
The prolife propaganda
machine has really worked you
over.
really? I just think I've researched it.
They really do that stuff you know. If you
want the link, I'll send it to you over pm
because it is probably over PG 13. It is
quite sick to know the truth,
huh?
Tell us, then, Juju, exactly what is
entailed in the average abortion? How far
along is the pregnancy? How big is the
"baby"? How developed is
it?
