I know abortion kills a child; its still mothers option
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abortion DOES NOT kill a child; that's ludicrous
32%
[ 8 ]
abortion kills a child, but is ok only sometimes
8%
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abortion kills a child; that's why its all wrong!
20%
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Darkmoon
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Posted: 06-05-08 05:20am
Exactly, Moo. It's different per person
and I consider it a personal attack for
someone to suggest that an aversion to the
state of pregnancy (ask any man how
"beautiful" he'd think the idea of another
being growing inside of him, pushing his
internal organs aside and draining his
nutrients is...nobody would fault him for
saying "hell no!" but for some reason
women are supposed to orgasm at the
thought of it) or avoiding it until needed
indicates a need for mental evaluation.
Most women don't enjoy pregnancy. Most
would rather skip it. Most wouldn't even
HONESTLY say it's "beautiful" but they'd
lie because society pegs them as awful
mothers if they don't proclaim to love
every minute of it. The truth is for most
women, pregnancy is miserable. They do it
because the END RESULT is beautiful FOR
THEM. Pregnancy isn't the "miracle", the
resulting baby is.
I personally can't imagine someone
enjoying sharing their body to that extent
for nearly a full year and being so
restricted that they can't even eat foods
that they would normally enjoy, but I'm
not going to second-guess other people.
Then once the birth is finished if they
choose to breastfeed (and I say "choose"
lightly given the pressure on women to bf
whether they want to or not), that's an
awful lot of restrictions and sharing of
one's body. To suggest that anyone should
do any of that against their will and then
have the gall to suggest that if they
would feel trapped, used or diseased by
the process they must be mentally unstable
is reprehensible.
Pregnancy and parenthood should never be a
requirement for living. Children deserve
mothers that want them more than comfort
or a lack of pain, and women deserve more
than being bingo'd into incubating against
their true wishes.
Cmyked, not all women want to bear
children and quite a few of us are as
repulsed by the idea as a male would be.
Get used to it. We aren't sick, we simply
don't have an urge to reproduce. We
aren't your collective.
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aochriss
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Posted: 06-05-08 06:38am
Pregnancy can be hell on earth, even a
wanted one.
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Darkmoon
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Posted: 06-05-08 07:02am
What really annoys me is when women that
can't naturally conceive treat women that
can (whether they want to or not) as
personal brood mares, or get irrationally
offended when someone that tries very hard
not to conceive does so. Breeding can
KILL me. It is not MY responsibility in
life to ensure that you fulfill your
legacy. If you can't find value in simply
existing it is YOUR problem, not mine.
I really don't understand why infertile
people rag on the "un-natural" process of
birth control when they are taking much
more un-natural means to try and conceive
a child that nature has already told them
they should not be having in the first
place. I feel for them but their urge to
breed is not my job to fulfill, and I
really don't think they have any business
being "resentful" that my husband and I
have sex without wanting or needing
children as a result.
Not their bloody business.
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aochriss
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Posted: 06-05-08 08:31am
Darkmoon
wrote:
I really don't understand why infertile
people rag on the "un-natural" process of
birth control when they are taking much
more un-natural means to try and conceive
a child that nature has already told them
they should not be having in the first
place.
OMG that is so true!
I don't get hit over the head by these
people too much. Where are you running
into them?
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diamondsz
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Posted: 06-05-08 11:47am
aochriss
wrote:
Darkmoon
wrote:
I really don't understand why infertile
people rag on the "un-natural" process of
birth control when they are taking much
more un-natural means to try and conceive
a child that nature has already told them
they should not be having in the first
place.
OMG that is so true!
I don't get hit over the head by these
people too much. Where are you running
into them?
We have alot of them here too christ,
Its like well your married, you can have
sex and have kids I can't why do you
believe in abortion christ I would take
your kid.
He got fixed therefore I have no worries
at the current time for getting pregnant
but just because he got fixed doesnt mean
Im someones future surrogate for christs
sake. What irritates me is there is
millions of children waiting to be adopted
why are these people selfish? THEY ONLY
WANT NEWBORNS!!!!
Tabarnak
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cmyked
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Posted: 06-05-08 13:51pm
Moo
wrote:
cmyked
wrote:
I see "just" not wanting to
be pregnant as shallow, because I believe
the unborn matters and is part of the
abortion equation. I KNOW women actually
think about the unborn inside of them.
I can't imagine for many people it's as
simple as just not wanting to be pregnant
- there are reasons behind why women don't
wish to be pregnant (for example when I
aborted I didn't want to be pregnant
because I was at uni/too young etc... a
whole host of reasons as opposed to just
not wanting to be pregnant for the hell of
it). And yes, I thought about the
potential child before I made my decision
but I don't think that means every woman
does - we're all different and all think
about things in different ways so I
honestly can't say that all women think
about the z/e/f/potential baby before
aborting.
I can't imagine it being that simple
either, which is why when pro-choicers try
to simplify it to just "her body, her
choice" I get very confused.
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aochriss
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Posted: 06-05-08 23:54pm
diamondsz
wrote:
aochriss
wrote:
Darkmoon
wrote:
I really don't understand why infertile
people rag on the "un-natural" process of
birth control when they are taking much
more un-natural means to try and conceive
a child that nature has already told them
they should not be having in the first
place.
OMG that is so true!
I don't get hit over the head by these
people too much. Where are you running
into them?
We have alot of them here too christ,
Its like well your married, you can have
sex and have kids I can't why do you
believe in abortion christ I would take
your kid.
Creepy! And yes, I've seen them now that
you point it out.
Quote:
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He got fixed therefore I have no worries
at the current time for getting pregnant
but just because he got fixed doesnt mean
Im someones future surrogate for christs
sake. What irritates me is there is
millions of children waiting to be adopted
why are these people selfish? THEY ONLY
WANT
NEWBORNS!!!
Selfish is putting it mildly. I agree
with you.
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diamondsz
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Posted: 06-06-08 09:25am
aochriss
wrote:
diamondsz
wrote:
He got fixed therefore I have no worries
at the current time for getting pregnant
but just because he got fixed doesnt mean
Im someones future surrogate for christs
sake. What irritates me is there is
millions of children waiting to be adopted
why are these people selfish? THEY ONLY
WANT
NEWBORNS!!!
Selfish is putting it mildly. I agree
with you.
I just hate how some of them will call me
selfish but then wont even do anything
some of them just irritate me "why dont
you put it up for adoption." and it like
well why doesnt people adopt the kids that
are already there.
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Birch
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Posted: 06-06-08 13:14pm
It's not quite said here, but people have
said that prolife advocates should adopt.
I don't think that prolife advocates
should be forced to adopt in order to be
aligned "correctly" with their political
views, just as prochoice advocates
shouldn't be forced to support the varying
choices of pregnant women financially or
whatnot.