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How much do you admit?
I know abortion kills a child; its still mothers option
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abortion DOES NOT kill a child; that's ludicrous
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abortion kills a child, but is ok only sometimes
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abortion kills a child; that's why its all wrong!
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Darkmoon

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Posted: 06-05-08 05:20am

Exactly, Moo. It's different per person and I consider it a personal attack for someone to suggest that an aversion to the state of pregnancy (ask any man how "beautiful" he'd think the idea of another being growing inside of him, pushing his internal organs aside and draining his nutrients is...nobody would fault him for saying "hell no!" but for some reason women are supposed to orgasm at the thought of it) or avoiding it until needed indicates a need for mental evaluation.

Most women don't enjoy pregnancy. Most would rather skip it. Most wouldn't even HONESTLY say it's "beautiful" but they'd lie because society pegs them as awful mothers if they don't proclaim to love every minute of it. The truth is for most women, pregnancy is miserable. They do it because the END RESULT is beautiful FOR THEM. Pregnancy isn't the "miracle", the resulting baby is.

I personally can't imagine someone enjoying sharing their body to that extent for nearly a full year and being so restricted that they can't even eat foods that they would normally enjoy, but I'm not going to second-guess other people. Then once the birth is finished if they choose to breastfeed (and I say "choose" lightly given the pressure on women to bf whether they want to or not), that's an awful lot of restrictions and sharing of one's body. To suggest that anyone should do any of that against their will and then have the gall to suggest that if they would feel trapped, used or diseased by the process they must be mentally unstable is reprehensible.

Pregnancy and parenthood should never be a requirement for living. Children deserve mothers that want them more than comfort or a lack of pain, and women deserve more than being bingo'd into incubating against their true wishes.

Cmyked, not all women want to bear children and quite a few of us are as repulsed by the idea as a male would be. Get used to it. We aren't sick, we simply don't have an urge to reproduce. We aren't your collective.
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Posted: 06-05-08 06:38am

Pregnancy can be hell on earth, even a wanted one.
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Posted: 06-05-08 07:02am

What really annoys me is when women that can't naturally conceive treat women that can (whether they want to or not) as personal brood mares, or get irrationally offended when someone that tries very hard not to conceive does so. Breeding can KILL me. It is not MY responsibility in life to ensure that you fulfill your legacy. If you can't find value in simply existing it is YOUR problem, not mine.

I really don't understand why infertile people rag on the "un-natural" process of birth control when they are taking much more un-natural means to try and conceive a child that nature has already told them they should not be having in the first place. I feel for them but their urge to breed is not my job to fulfill, and I really don't think they have any business being "resentful" that my husband and I have sex without wanting or needing children as a result.

Not their bloody business.
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Posted: 06-05-08 08:31am

Darkmoon wrote:

I really don't understand why infertile people rag on the "un-natural" process of birth control when they are taking much more un-natural means to try and conceive a child that nature has already told them they should not be having in the first place.



OMG that is so true!

I don't get hit over the head by these people too much. Where are you running into them?
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Posted: 06-05-08 11:47am

aochriss wrote:
Darkmoon wrote:

I really don't understand why infertile people rag on the "un-natural" process of birth control when they are taking much more un-natural means to try and conceive a child that nature has already told them they should not be having in the first place.



OMG that is so true!

I don't get hit over the head by these people too much. Where are you running into them?


We have alot of them here too christ,

Its like well your married, you can have sex and have kids I can't why do you believe in abortion christ I would take your kid.

He got fixed therefore I have no worries at the current time for getting pregnant but just because he got fixed doesnt mean Im someones future surrogate for christs sake. What irritates me is there is millions of children waiting to be adopted why are these people selfish? THEY ONLY WANT NEWBORNS!!!!



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Posted: 06-05-08 13:51pm

Moo wrote:
cmyked wrote:
I see "just" not wanting to be pregnant as shallow, because I believe the unborn matters and is part of the abortion equation. I KNOW women actually think about the unborn inside of them.


I can't imagine for many people it's as simple as just not wanting to be pregnant - there are reasons behind why women don't wish to be pregnant (for example when I aborted I didn't want to be pregnant because I was at uni/too young etc... a whole host of reasons as opposed to just not wanting to be pregnant for the hell of it). And yes, I thought about the potential child before I made my decision but I don't think that means every woman does - we're all different and all think about things in different ways so I honestly can't say that all women think about the z/e/f/potential baby before aborting.
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I can't imagine it being that simple either, which is why when pro-choicers try to simplify it to just "her body, her choice" I get very confused.
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Posted: 06-05-08 23:54pm

diamondsz wrote:
aochriss wrote:
Darkmoon wrote:

I really don't understand why infertile people rag on the "un-natural" process of birth control when they are taking much more un-natural means to try and conceive a child that nature has already told them they should not be having in the first place.



OMG that is so true!

I don't get hit over the head by these people too much. Where are you running into them?


We have alot of them here too christ,

Its like well your married, you can have sex and have kids I can't why do you believe in abortion christ I would take your kid.

Creepy! And yes, I've seen them now that you point it out.
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He got fixed therefore I have no worries at the current time for getting pregnant but just because he got fixed doesnt mean Im someones future surrogate for christs sake. What irritates me is there is millions of children waiting to be adopted why are these people selfish? THEY ONLY WANT NEWBORNS!!!

Selfish is putting it mildly. I agree with you.
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Posted: 06-06-08 09:25am

aochriss wrote:
diamondsz wrote:

He got fixed therefore I have no worries at the current time for getting pregnant but just because he got fixed doesnt mean Im someones future surrogate for christs sake. What irritates me is there is millions of children waiting to be adopted why are these people selfish? THEY ONLY WANT NEWBORNS!!!

Selfish is putting it mildly. I agree with you.


I just hate how some of them will call me selfish but then wont even do anything some of them just irritate me "why dont you put it up for adoption." and it like well why doesnt people adopt the kids that are already there.
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Posted: 06-06-08 13:14pm

It's not quite said here, but people have said that prolife advocates should adopt. I don't think that prolife advocates should be forced to adopt in order to be aligned "correctly" with their political views, just as prochoice advocates shouldn't be forced to support the varying choices of pregnant women financially or whatnot.
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