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Tylanas
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Posted: 04-18-08 09:49am
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I don't really want to, but I find this
debating over the words grows tiresome.
You know and I know that child is an
acceptable term to describe all offspring,
whether or not it's still incubating.
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Posted: 04-18-08 10:19am
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| Tylanas
wrote: | | Well, opinion or not, the
word "child" is accurate to describe the
unborn whether you like that fact or
not. |
*cough* Pro-abortion *cough*
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Reptar
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Posted: 04-18-08 16:48pm
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| Tylanas
wrote: | | Reptar
wrote: | | Where did I say it wasn't a
human? I'd like to see that. It's not a
CHILD in my opinion,
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Your opinion doesn't quite matter when the
FACT is that "child" means offspring and
an embryo/fetus is OFFSPRING.
I honestly feel the option "It's not a
child!" shouldn't even be ON there, since
it IS a child, fact and point. I can say
the sky is green all day long, but it's
still blue. |
This poll is ABOUT AN OPINION. Stop asking
for one if you only want us to agree with
you.
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jujujellybean
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Posted: 04-18-08 21:32pm
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why not??? It just proves my point and
makes the pro choice people look like they
hate the dictionary...JK!!!!! But it does
really not settle well with some of the
choicers. We had one guy on another forum
that stated dictionaries didn't
matter!!!!Seriously!!! What relevance does
our language have if even our dictionary
doesn't matter?????????
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Posted: 04-18-08 21:36pm
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| Reptar
wrote: | | Tylanas
wrote: | | Reptar
wrote: | | Where did I say it wasn't a
human? I'd like to see that. It's not a
CHILD in my opinion,
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Your opinion doesn't quite matter when the
FACT is that "child" means offspring and
an embryo/fetus is OFFSPRING.
I honestly feel the option "It's not a
child!" shouldn't even be ON there, since
it IS a child, fact and point. I can say
the sky is green all day long, but it's
still blue. |
This poll is ABOUT AN OPINION. Stop asking
for one if you only want us to agree with
you. |
Are you afraid of being beaten? cause you
are going down a beaten path that few pro
choicers have walked down and come back
again without being proved wrong. It
always ends that the dictionaries don't
matter or they just stop replying.
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Posted: 04-18-08 21:37pm
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I meant to say that the post two up from
this is for Jules.
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Jude-Love
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Posted: 04-18-08 22:14pm
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I don't feel that a fetus is a child in
any
sense. Just like I don't think a
caterpillar is a butterfly. Fourteen year
olds will be able to legally drink
someday. Doesn't mean they are of legal
age to buy a beer.
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Tylanas
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Posted: 04-18-08 23:33pm
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IF: "child" = offpspring
AND IF: "fetus" /= "child"
THEN:
"fetus" /= offspring?
What is the fetus then, if it is not
offspring?
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Tylanas
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Posted: 04-18-08 23:34pm
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| Birch
wrote: | | Tylanas
wrote: | | Well, opinion or not, the
word "child" is accurate to describe the
unborn whether you like that fact or
not. |
*cough* Pro-abortion
*cough* |
Huh?
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Jude-Love
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Posted: 04-19-08 00:43am
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Offspring doesn't always=child. I'm an
offspring, but I am not a child.
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jujujellybean
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Posted: 04-19-08 09:04am
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| Jude-Love
wrote: | | I don't feel that a fetus is
a child in any sense. Just like I don't
think a caterpillar is a butterfly.
Fourteen year olds will be able to legally
drink someday. Doesn't mean they are of
legal age to buy a
beer. |
But what we are talking about DOES mean
child. A young offspring is a child. Ask
the dictionary. Fetus literally means
unborn child. I am serious, look it
up!!!!!
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Posted: 04-19-08 09:09am
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You could call it apple pie and it
wouldn't make a difference to me. My next
door neighbor has no right to use my
organs and neither does a mindless embryo.
At least when I donate blood it's going
to sentient human beings.
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Posted: 04-19-08 10:00am
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| jujujellybean
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Are you afraid of being beaten? cause you
are going down a beaten path that few pro
choicers have walked down and come back
again without being proved wrong. It
always ends that the dictionaries don't
matter or they just stop
replying. |
What, because you call it a child and I
call it an embryo? Ask nearly any women
who had an abortion of her own choosing
and see if she thought it was her "child".
By calling it a child, you're not proving
anything. Give it a name for all I care.
Tell me I'm promoting the death of poor
baby George. It doesn't matter.
Biologically, it's still a embryo. It
still is dependent on my body. It still is
unwanted.
And that is all that matters by law, ask
the lawyers!
You want us to admit that we agree with
you. But we don't. I'd like for you to
admit that some women actually NEED an
abortion, but you won't either.
Thankfully, the law is on our side and
women aren't forced to gestate.
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Jude-Love
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Posted: 04-19-08 21:25pm
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http://dictionary.r
eference.com/browse/child
"Child" obviously has different meanings.
There is no set in stone meaning, at least
not socially. We shouldn't make laws
based on what "dictionary.com" says.
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Posted: 04-19-08 21:59pm
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Fetus does not mean offspring simply
because it has not "off-sprung" -- it's
still in and attached.
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jujujellybean
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Posted: 04-21-08 10:33am
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| Jude-Love
wrote: | http://dictionary.reference.
com/browse/child
"Child" obviously has different meanings.
There is no set in stone meaning, at least
not socially. We shouldn't make laws
based on what "dictionary.com"
says. |
Well, then, if we can't base anything on
our dictionary that defines everything we
are saying, then what are saying means
nothing at all. Seriously, if we can't
even trust what we are saying, what can we
trust? How come some words in the
dictionary matter and some don't?
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Posted: 04-21-08 10:40am
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| Darkmoon
wrote: | | You could call it apple pie
and it wouldn't make a difference to me.
My next door neighbor has no right to use
my organs and neither does a mindless
embryo. At least when I donate blood it's
going to sentient human
beings. |
I know that. You have to de humanize it to
make your argument sound in the least
credible. I mean, how crazy does this
sound: "I know abortion does kill a child,
but I really couldn't care less!!!"
Pretty creepy to me!!!
That 'mindless embryo' is a human like me
and you that just hasn't fully developed
yet. If you let it live, surely it would
turn into a sentient being like you and
me. It's not its fault it was conceived;
it had absolutely no say in the matter and
shouldn't have to be killed for it!!!
What about those people in a coma who
can't understand anything? I mean, we
could kill them and they would never know.
They may feel pain, but would be unable to
comprehend what was happening. It is the
same with an unborn child; they can never
comprehend what is going on, but may feel
pain if developed enough. Really, how
cruel can people be???? If we can justify
killing a harmless human who hasn't even
gotten a chance to live and do anything
wrong, how can you feel safe?
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Posted: 04-21-08 11:27am
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I voted for the second one. Until the
fetus can survive on the outside it's not
a child.
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Posted: 04-21-08 11:54am
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| Mommy35
wrote: | | I voted for the second one.
Until the fetus can survive on the outside
it's not a
child. |
I can't believe you wrote that.
If near full term and 'ready to go', but
if this child is not "out" yet it's not
worthy?
and you have a child in your photo here?
geesh 
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Posted: 04-21-08 12:22pm
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| marianneguzz57
wrote: | | Mommy35
wrote: | | I voted for the second one.
Until the fetus can survive on the outside
it's not a
child. |
I can't believe you wrote that.
If near full term and 'ready to go', but
if this child is not "out" yet it's not
worthy?
and you have a child in your photo here?
geesh |
I think you ma have misunderstood Mommy35.
I took it to mean that until the foetus
can
survive outside the womb then it is
not a child. In other words, until it
reaches viabilty (arguably around 24
weeks), she does not consider the foetus a
child.
Correct me if I'm wrong Mommy35!
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