I know abortion kills a child; its still mothers option
40%
[ 10 ]
abortion DOES NOT kill a child; that's ludicrous
32%
[ 8 ]
abortion kills a child, but is ok only sometimes
8%
[ 2 ]
abortion kills a child; that's why its all wrong!
20%
[ 5 ]
Total Votes : 25
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Jude-Love
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Joined: 17 Jun 2007 Posts: 727 Location: Williamstown, Kentucky USA
Posted: 04-21-08 13:20pm
jujujellybean
wrote:
Jude-Love
wrote:
http://dictionary.reference.
com/browse/child
"Child" obviously has different meanings.
There is no set in stone meaning, at least
not socially. We shouldn't make laws
based on what "dictionary.com"
says.
Well, then, if we can't base anything on
our dictionary that defines everything we
are saying, then what are saying means
nothing at all. Seriously, if we can't
even trust what we are saying, what can we
trust? How come some words in the
dictionary matter and some
don't?
It isn't that we can't trust what we say,
it is just that our perceptions of things
are different. I don't think abortion is
homicide. I think that is a totally
ludicrous concept. But some people do
view it that way and I can't tell them
their perception is wrong. I can say that
no law should be based on it, however.
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jujujellybean
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Posted: 04-21-08 15:20pm
yes, but our perceptions may be wrong.
Then what? THEN is it ok to use the
dictionary???
How is abortion NOT homicide? It kills a
human being, a homo sapiens, of the same
species as you and me, just before it has
fully developed to be able to live by
itself. What is the difference???
People have different perceptions of
killing LIVE people. I am sure that
killers do not view it as wrong!!!! Yet we
have a law AGAINST killing because of
simple morals; if you have the right to
live, so do I. Why don't the unborn
apply?!?!?
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Mommy35
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Joined: 23 Sep 2006 Posts: 3157 Location: Vacationland, USA,
Re: ? Posted: 04-21-08 18:38pm
Jules
wrote:
marianneguzz57
wrote:
Mommy35
wrote:
I voted for the second one.
Until the fetus can survive on the outside
it's not a
child.
I can't believe you wrote that.
If near full term and 'ready to go', but
if this child is not "out" yet it's not
worthy?
and you have a child in your photo here?
geesh
I think you ma have misunderstood Mommy35.
I took it to mean that until the foetus
can
survive outside the womb then it is
not a child. In other words, until it
reaches viabilty (arguably around 24
weeks), she does not consider the foetus a
child.
Correct me if I'm wrong
Mommy35!
You said it perfectly Jules! Thanks!
Oh and just because I have a child as my
avatar. doesn't mean I can't be
pro-choice. It's my right as a woman!
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Jude-Love
Active User, Really EHEALTHy
Joined: 17 Jun 2007 Posts: 727 Location: Williamstown, Kentucky USA
Posted: 04-21-08 19:09pm
jujujellybean
wrote:
yes, but our perceptions may
be wrong. Then what? THEN is it ok to use
the dictionary???
How is abortion NOT homicide? It kills a
human being, a homo sapiens, of the same
species as you and me, just before it has
fully developed to be able to live by
itself. What is the difference???
People have different perceptions of
killing LIVE people. I am sure that
killers do not view it as wrong!!!! Yet we
have a law AGAINST killing because of
simple morals; if you have the right to
live, so do I. Why don't the unborn
apply?!?!?
What I'm saying is that someone's
perception of whether or not a fetus is a
child can't be right or wrong. It is
their perception and opinion. The
dictionary has definitions that support
the notion that a fetus is a child and
definitions that do not support that
notion.
I didn't type homicide, I typed the big
scary M word and they put in "homicide".
The unborn are not protected under law
unless the mother takes actions. This is
because it is a being that is dependent
physically on another human being, which
means that giving it full rights isn't
possible without infringing on the
mother's rights. That's why there aren't
laws against pregnant women smoking or
drinking (not that I advocate that). We
can tell women that it is bad to do those
things, but we can't legally keep them
from doing it.
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jujujellybean
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Posted: 04-22-08 10:44am
Jude-Love
wrote:
jujujellybean
wrote:
yes, but our perceptions may
be wrong. Then what? THEN is it ok to use
the dictionary???
How is abortion NOT homicide? It kills a
human being, a homo sapiens, of the same
species as you and me, just before it has
fully developed to be able to live by
itself. What is the difference???
People have different perceptions of
killing LIVE people. I am sure that
killers do not view it as wrong!!!! Yet we
have a law AGAINST killing because of
simple morals; if you have the right to
live, so do I. Why don't the unborn
apply?!?!?
What I'm saying is that someone's
perception of whether or not a fetus is a
child can't be right or wrong. It is
their perception and opinion. The
dictionary has definitions that support
the notion that a fetus is a child and
definitions that do not support that
notion.
I didn't type homicide, I typed the big
scary M word and they put in "homicide".
The unborn are not protected under law
unless the mother takes actions. This is
because it is a being that is dependent
physically on another human being, which
means that giving it full rights isn't
possible without infringing on the
mother's rights. That's why there aren't
laws against pregnant women smoking or
drinking (not that I advocate that). We
can tell women that it is bad to do those
things, but we can't legally keep them
from doing
it.
LOL every time I try to type the 'M' word
it tells me I will be reported. Don't
worry, I get your meaning! When I typed in
killing live people up above there, it was
because they wouldn't allow me to
put...well you know!
Yes, perceptions can be wrong. Can you
provide some definitions that support a
fetus is not a child?
My point is perceptions are some one's
opinion, but opinions can be wrong. Like
killing; like I said, I am sure killers do
not view killing as bad, but it is widely
accepted that because it takes the life of
a person unwillingly, it is a violation
and no matter what your perception is, it
is wrong and you will be punished for it.
Another point is that a fetus is dependant
on the mother; it wasn't its fault in the
beginning though. the fetus in no way
asked to be conceived. It isn't its fault,
and it shouldn't have to be killed because
the mother simply doesn't feel ready to
have a child!
Riddle me this, then: do you know anyone
who can live dependantly on their own with
no one else?
I was wondering about this too: what if
the woman has the baby, and decides that
she doesn't want to feed it and leaves it
to die? Is that wrong? Doesn't the mother
have the right to her body and so
shouldn't she be able to kill her child?
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Birch
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Posted: 04-22-08 16:12pm
jujujellybean
wrote:
My point is perceptions are some one's
opinion, but opinions can be wrong. Like
killing; like I said, I am sure killers do
not view killing as bad, but it is widely
accepted that because it takes the life of
a person unwillingly, it is a violation
and no matter what your perception is, it
is wrong and you will be punished for it.
Another point is that a fetus is dependant
on the mother; it wasn't its fault in the
beginning though. the fetus in no way
asked to be conceived. It isn't its fault,
and it shouldn't have to be killed because
the mother simply doesn't feel ready to
have a child!
Life is not fair. Death is not fair.
Your trite summation of "mother simply
doesn't feel ready to have a child" shows
a lack of empathy and comprehension on
this subject. I hope you continue to
learn and will perhaps change your mind to
incorporate a broader understanding of why
women obtain abortions, even if you still
retain your political prolife view.
jujujellybean
wrote:
Riddle me this, then: do you
know anyone who can live dependantly on
their own with no one else?
I am not in a womb. Are you?
jujujellybean
wrote:
I was wondering about this
too: what if the woman has the baby, and
decides that she doesn't want to feed it
and leaves it to die? Is that wrong?
Doesn't the mother have the right to her
body and so shouldn't she be able to kill
her child?
Tossing aside the obvious retort of
location, location, location, this is a
good question. Maybe she should be able
to without fear of penalty.
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jujujellybean
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Posted: 04-23-08 15:00pm
Birch
wrote:
jujujellybean
wrote:
My point is perceptions are some one's
opinion, but opinions can be wrong. Like
killing; like I said, I am sure killers do
not view killing as bad, but it is widely
accepted that because it takes the life of
a person unwillingly, it is a violation
and no matter what your perception is, it
is wrong and you will be punished for it.
Another point is that a fetus is dependant
on the mother; it wasn't its fault in the
beginning though. the fetus in no way
asked to be conceived. It isn't its fault,
and it shouldn't have to be killed because
the mother simply doesn't feel ready to
have a child!
Life is not fair. Death is not fair.
Your trite summation of "mother simply
doesn't feel ready to have a child" shows
a lack of empathy and comprehension on
this subject. I hope you continue to
learn and will perhaps change your mind to
incorporate a broader understanding of why
women obtain abortions, even if you still
retain your political prolife view.
I know many reasons why they have
abortions; I know they are not simply
because they don't want a child, though
that is a big one. Lots of women feel
there is absolutely no other choice, or
her parents may kick her out, or it would
ttly ruin everything she has worked for. I
know all the reasons; let me know any
others, please, and I will respond to
them.
jujujellybean
wrote:
Riddle me this, then: do you
know anyone who can live dependantly on
their own with no one else?
I am not in a womb. Are you?
No. My point is, everyone depends on
someone. could you live ttly without being
around people and survive?
jujujellybean
wrote:
I was wondering about this
too: what if the woman has the baby, and
decides that she doesn't want to feed it
and leaves it to die? Is that wrong?
Doesn't the mother have the right to her
body and so shouldn't she be able to kill
her child?
Tossing aside the obvious retort of
location, location, location, this is a
good question. Maybe she should be able
to without fear of
penalty.
Yes. If you stay consistant, you have to
admit that the mother could kill her child
even it it's born. And it's interesting,
because then wouldn't the mother be sent
to jail?
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Birch
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Posted: 04-23-08 15:19pm
jujujellybean
wrote:
Birch
wrote:
jujujellybean
wrote:
My point is perceptions are some one's
opinion, but opinions can be wrong. Like
killing; like I said, I am sure killers do
not view killing as bad, but it is widely
accepted that because it takes the life of
a person unwillingly, it is a violation
and no matter what your perception is, it
is wrong and you will be punished for it.
Another point is that a fetus is dependant
on the mother; it wasn't its fault in the
beginning though. the fetus in no way
asked to be conceived. It isn't its fault,
and it shouldn't have to be killed because
the mother simply doesn't feel ready to
have a child!
Life is not fair. Death is not fair.
Your trite summation of "mother simply
doesn't feel ready to have a child" shows
a lack of empathy and comprehension on
this subject. I hope you continue to
learn and will perhaps change your mind to
incorporate a broader understanding of why
women obtain abortions, even if you still
retain your political prolife view.
I know many reasons why they have
abortions; I know they are not simply
because they don't want a child, though
that is a big one. Lots of women feel
there is absolutely no other choice, or
her parents may kick her out, or it would
ttly ruin everything she has worked for. I
know all the reasons; let me know any
others, please, and I will respond to
them.
jujujellybean
wrote:
Riddle me this, then: do you
know anyone who can live dependantly on
their own with no one else?
I am not in a womb. Are you?
No. My point is, everyone depends on
someone. could you live ttly without being
around people and survive?
jujujellybean
wrote:
I was wondering about this
too: what if the woman has the baby, and
decides that she doesn't want to feed it
and leaves it to die? Is that wrong?
Doesn't the mother have the right to her
body and so shouldn't she be able to kill
her child?
Tossing aside the obvious retort of
location, location, location, this is a
good question. Maybe she should be able
to without fear of
penalty.
Yes. If you stay consistant, you have to
admit that the mother could kill her child
even it it's born. And it's interesting,
because then wouldn't the mother be sent
to jail?
Even though you did not address my comment
about the lack of insight regarding this
issue I do hope you understand what I was
saying.
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Jude-Love
Active User, Really EHEALTHy
Joined: 17 Jun 2007 Posts: 727 Location: Williamstown, Kentucky USA
Posted: 04-23-08 16:46pm
jujujellybean
wrote:
Can you provide some
definitions that support a fetus is not a
child?
"fe·tus Audio Help /ˈfitəs/
Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled
Pronunciation[fee-tuhs] Pronunciation Key
- Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun, plural -tus·es. Embryology.
(used chiefly of viviparous mammals) the
young of an animal in the womb or egg,
esp. in the later stages of development
when the body structures are in the
recognizable form of its kind, in humans
after the end of the second month of
gestation."
And see where this one supports both
notions?:
"child Audio Help /tʃaɪld/
Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled
Pronunciation[chahyld] Pronunciation Key -
Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun, plural chil·dren. 1. a person
between birth and full growth; a boy or
girl: books for children.
2. a son or daughter: All my children are
married.
3. a baby or infant.
4. a human fetus."
So, neither person is wrong.
jujujellybean
wrote:
My point is perceptions are
some one's opinion, but opinions can be
wrong. Like killing; like I said, I am
sure killers do not view killing as bad,
but it is widely accepted that because it
takes the life of a person unwillingly, it
is a violation and no matter what your
perception is, it is wrong and you will be
punished for
it.
Perceptions can be wrong, but that isn't
the case here. There are some things that
are universally wrong and there is no
question about it. You view abortion
wrong because of how you view the
fetus. But not every one views a fetus
the way they do and that doesn't mean
their opinion is wrong. Obviously, your
perception isn't wrong, just different.
That is why it isn't a good idea to base a
law on what only a portion of our people
think.
jujujellybean
wrote:
Another point is that a
fetus is dependant on the mother; it
wasn't its fault in the beginning though.
the fetus in no way asked to be conceived.
It isn't its fault, and it shouldn't have
to be killed because the mother simply
doesn't feel ready to have a
child!
Abortion isn't a way of placing blame on
the fetus. It is a way of dealing with
the unwanted pregnancy and impending
parenthood. Not being
ready to take care of a child for the next
18 years is not "simple" in the least.
jujujellybean
wrote:
what if the woman has the
baby, and decides that she doesn't want to
feed it and leaves it to die? Is that
wrong? Doesn't the mother have the right
to her body and so shouldn't she be able
to kill her
child?
That is wrong because she chose to bring
the child into this world. Once you
decide to do that, it is your full
responsibility. She has the right to her
body while the fetus is depending on her
nutrients, blood, uterus, etc. But if she
had a child and didn't want it, she could
easily have left it at a hospital or given
it up for adoption. Plus, a born citizen
automatically is protected by the
Constitution. A fetus is not.
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rainstorm
Experienced User , Rather EHEALTHy
Joined: 12 Mar 2008 Posts: 68
Posted: 04-24-08 07:37am
Jude-Love
wrote:
jujujellybean
wrote:
yes, but our perceptions may
be wrong. Then what? THEN is it ok to use
the dictionary???
How is abortion NOT homicide? It kills a
human being, a homo sapiens, of the same
species as you and me, just before it has
fully developed to be able to live by
itself. What is the difference???
People have different perceptions of
killing LIVE people. I am sure that
killers do not view it as wrong!!!! Yet we
have a law AGAINST killing because of
simple morals; if you have the right to
live, so do I. Why don't the unborn
apply?!?!?
What I'm saying is that someone's
perception of whether or not a fetus is a
child can't be right or wrong. It is
their perception and opinion. The
dictionary has definitions that support
the notion that a fetus is a child and
definitions that do not support that
notion.
I didn't type homicide, I typed the big
scary M word and they put in "homicide".
The unborn are not protected under law
unless the mother takes actions. This is
because it is a being that is dependent
physically on another human being, which
means that giving it full rights isn't
possible without infringing on the
mother's rights. That's why there aren't
laws against pregnant women smoking or
drinking (not that I advocate that). We
can tell women that it is bad to do those
things, but we can't legally keep them
from doing
it.
Very well said.
Why can't some people comprehend that
abortion rights have nothing to do with
the status of the fetus and everything to
do with the rights of the person of whose
body it is a part? In other words, it
would not matter if, instead of a fetus
inside a woman's uterus, it was a full
grown adult. That adult has no more right
to be in that uterus against the woman's
will than the fetus.
Every person owns their own body. It is
as simple as that.
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jujujellybean
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Posted: 04-26-08 15:07pm
Jude-Love
wrote:
jujujellybean
wrote:
Can you provide some
definitions that support a fetus is not a
child?
"fe·tus Audio Help /ˈfitəs/
Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled
Pronunciation[fee-tuhs] Pronunciation Key
- Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun, plural -tus·es. Embryology.
(used chiefly of viviparous mammals) the
young of an animal in the womb or egg,
esp. in the later stages of development
when the body structures are in the
recognizable form of its kind, in humans
after the end of the second month of
gestation."
And see where this one supports both
notions?:
"child Audio Help /tʃaɪld/
Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled
Pronunciation[chahyld] Pronunciation Key -
Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun, plural chil·dren. 1. a person
between birth and full growth; a boy or
girl: books for children.
2. a son or daughter: All my children are
married.
3. a baby or infant.
4. a human fetus."
So, neither person is wrong.
[b]Yes, one is. In fact, this just happens
to strengthen my point. I never said that
a baby wasn't a person between birth and
full growth. It is. But the dictionary
also states it is a human fetus; therefore
stating a baby is BOTH of those things,
not either or. That doesn't quite help
what you said, I don't think, unless I
misunderstood you. It supports both
notions, but the point is it doesn't say
that a fetus is not baby, making your
argument irrelevant.[b]
jujujellybean
wrote:
My point is perceptions are
some one's opinion, but opinions can be
wrong. Like killing; like I said, I am
sure killers do not view killing as bad,
but it is widely accepted that because it
takes the life of a person unwillingly, it
is a violation and no matter what your
perception is, it is wrong and you will be
punished for
it.
Perceptions can be wrong, but that isn't
the case here. There are some things that
are universally wrong and there is no
question about it. You view abortion
wrong because of how you view the
fetus. But not every one views a fetus
the way they do and that doesn't mean
their opinion is wrong. Obviously, your
perception isn't wrong, just different.
That is why it isn't a good idea to base a
law on what only a portion of our people
think.
[b] Why not? The dictionary says that an
unborn fetus is a person. One thing we
both accept as morally wrong is 'm' ,
and killing a person is 'm'. Therefore it
is wrong.
Let me ask you this: if half the people in
America decided it was ok to kill, should
we change the law because only some people
thought it was wrong?[b]
jujujellybean
wrote:
Another point is that a
fetus is dependant on the mother; it
wasn't its fault in the beginning though.
the fetus in no way asked to be conceived.
It isn't its fault, and it shouldn't have
to be killed because the mother simply
doesn't feel ready to have a
child!
Abortion isn't a way of placing blame on
the fetus. It is a way of dealing with
the unwanted pregnancy and impending
parenthood. Not being
ready to take care of a child for the next
18 years is not "simple" in the least.
[b]Never said it was, I don't think. But
when a woman has intercourse and gets
pregnant, she should not have the right to
end a life. [b]
jujujellybean
wrote:
what if the woman has the
baby, and decides that she doesn't want to
feed it and leaves it to die? Is that
wrong? Doesn't the mother have the right
to her body and so shouldn't she be able
to kill her
child?
That is wrong because she chose to bring
the child into this world. Once you
decide to do that, it is your full
responsibility. She has the right to her
body while the fetus is depending on her
nutrients, blood, uterus, etc. But if she
had a child and didn't want it, she could
easily have left it at a hospital or given
it up for adoption. Plus, a born citizen
automatically is protected by the
Constitution. A fetus is
not.
[b]Well, to me it is the same thing
because SHE chose to have intercourse and
risk getting pregnant in the first place.
It is the same thing; she chose to risk
it, and so she should accept the
consequences. Hasn't anyone heard of
abstinence?[b]
p.s. I still can't figure out quoting so I
put [b] around my responses.
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Reptar
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Posted: 04-26-08 16:33pm
Easy enough for a 15 year old to say, but
try telling that to a married women of 30
who simply doesn't want kids. Please don't
make such ridiculous statements.
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Jude-Love
Active User, Really EHEALTHy
Joined: 17 Jun 2007 Posts: 727 Location: Williamstown, Kentucky USA
Posted: 04-26-08 17:13pm
jujujellybean
wrote:
Jude-Love
wrote:
jujujellybean
wrote:
Can you provide some
definitions that support a fetus is not a
child?
"fe·tus Audio Help /ˈfitəs/
Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled
Pronunciation[fee-tuhs] Pronunciation Key
- Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun, plural -tus·es. Embryology.
(used chiefly of viviparous mammals) the
young of an animal in the womb or egg,
esp. in the later stages of development
when the body structures are in the
recognizable form of its kind, in humans
after the end of the second month of
gestation."
And see where this one supports both
notions?:
"child Audio Help /tʃaɪld/
Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled
Pronunciation[chahyld] Pronunciation Key -
Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun, plural chil·dren. 1. a person
between birth and full growth; a boy or
girl: books for children.
2. a son or daughter: All my children are
married.
3. a baby or infant.
4. a human fetus."
So, neither person is wrong.
[b]Yes, one is. In fact, this just happens
to strengthen my point. I never said that
a baby wasn't a person between birth and
full growth. It is. But the dictionary
also states it is a human fetus; therefore
stating a baby is BOTH of those things,
not either or. That doesn't quite help
what you said, I don't think, unless I
misunderstood you. It supports both
notions, but the point is it doesn't say
that a fetus is not baby, making your
argument irrelevant.[b]
jujujellybean
wrote:
My point is perceptions are
some one's opinion, but opinions can be
wrong. Like killing; like I said, I am
sure killers do not view killing as bad,
but it is widely accepted that because it
takes the life of a person unwillingly, it
is a violation and no matter what your
perception is, it is wrong and you will be
punished for
it.
Perceptions can be wrong, but that isn't
the case here. There are some things that
are universally wrong and there is no
question about it. You view abortion
wrong because of how you view the
fetus. But not every one views a fetus
the way they do and that doesn't mean
their opinion is wrong. Obviously, your
perception isn't wrong, just different.
That is why it isn't a good idea to base a
law on what only a portion of our people
think.
[b] Why not? The dictionary says that an
unborn fetus is a person. One thing we
both accept as morally wrong is 'm' ,
and killing a person is 'm'. Therefore it
is wrong.
Let me ask you this: if half the people in
America decided it was ok to kill, should
we change the law because only some people
thought it was wrong?[b]
jujujellybean
wrote:
Another point is that a
fetus is dependant on the mother; it
wasn't its fault in the beginning though.
the fetus in no way asked to be conceived.
It isn't its fault, and it shouldn't have
to be killed because the mother simply
doesn't feel ready to have a
child!
Abortion isn't a way of placing blame on
the fetus. It is a way of dealing with
the unwanted pregnancy and impending
parenthood. Not being
ready to take care of a child for the next
18 years is not "simple" in the least.
[b]Never said it was, I don't think. But
when a woman has intercourse and gets
pregnant, she should not have the right to
end a life. [b]
jujujellybean
wrote:
what if the woman has the
baby, and decides that she doesn't want to
feed it and leaves it to die? Is that
wrong? Doesn't the mother have the right
to her body and so shouldn't she be able
to kill her
child?
That is wrong because she chose to bring
the child into this world. Once you
decide to do that, it is your full
responsibility. She has the right to her
body while the fetus is depending on her
nutrients, blood, uterus, etc. But if she
had a child and didn't want it, she could
easily have left it at a hospital or given
it up for adoption. Plus, a born citizen
automatically is protected by the
Constitution. A fetus is
not.
[b]Well, to me it is the same thing
because SHE chose to have intercourse and
risk getting pregnant in the first place.
It is the same thing; she chose to risk
it, and so she should accept the
consequences. Hasn't anyone heard of
abstinence?[b]
p.s. I still can't figure out quoting so I
put [b] around my
responses.
You might not agree with her method, but
that doesn't mean she isn't accepting what
happened to her. To take responsibility
for something is to assess the situation
and then take the action you think is
best. Whether a woman aborts, has her
baby, or gives it up for adoption she is
taking responsibility. The fact that you
think her choice was wrong doesn't negate
that she still took responsibility.
As for abstinence, dream on! Do you
practice abstinence? I don't and I won't.
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Birch
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Posted: 04-26-08 17:18pm
jujujellybean
wrote:
[b]Well, to me it is the same thing
because SHE chose to have intercourse and
risk getting pregnant in the first place.
It is the same thing; she chose to risk
it, and so she should accept the
consequences. Hasn't anyone heard of
abstinence?[b]
p.s. I still can't figure out quoting so I
put [b] around my
responses.
Why the obsession with telling people what
to do with their reproductive organs?
First you're in the doctor's office with
them telling them what to do, then you're
in the bedroom doing the same.
Maybe I think you need to get your tubes
tied so you don't bring anymore children
into the world.
I know, I know...how dare I tell you such
a thing. I don't even know you, blah
blah.
That's exactly how I feel.
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rainstorm
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Posted: 04-26-08 18:36pm
jujujellybean
wrote:
yes, but our perceptions may
be wrong. Then what? THEN is it ok to use
the dictionary???
How is abortion NOT homicide? It kills a
human being, a homo sapiens, of the same
species as you and me, just before it has
fully developed to be able to live by
itself. What is the difference???
Are you asking because you sincerely do
not understand the difference?
Do you understand why abortion is legal?
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jujujellybean
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Posted: 04-27-08 14:10pm
rainstorm
wrote:
jujujellybean
wrote:
yes, but our perceptions may
be wrong. Then what? THEN is it ok to use
the dictionary???
How is abortion NOT homicide? It kills a
human being, a homo sapiens, of the same
species as you and me, just before it has
fully developed to be able to live by
itself. What is the difference???
Are you asking because you sincerely do
not understand the difference?
Do you understand why abortion is
legal?
No. I am asking because I want YOU to have
to think about it. Abortion is legal
because for some odd reason the law thinks
it is not a person, no matter what science
says. And because it every woman should
have the right to do what is best for her
body. don't mind the baby's body. our
society is all about getting rid of the
problem, and abortion does just that for
short term.
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jujujellybean
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Posted: 04-27-08 14:14pm
Birch
wrote:
jujujellybean
wrote:
[b]Well, to me it is the same thing
because SHE chose to have intercourse and
risk getting pregnant in the first place.
It is the same thing; she chose to risk
it, and so she should accept the
consequences. Hasn't anyone heard of
abstinence?[b]
p.s. I still can't figure out quoting so I
put [b] around my
responses.
Why the obsession with telling people what
to do with their reproductive organs?
First you're in the doctor's office with
them telling them what to do, then you're
in the bedroom doing the same.
[b]BECAUSE. Abstinence would stop unwanted
pregnancies, therefore STOPPING killing
babies. I do not REALLY care what they do
with their bodies, as long as that doesn't
include killing a child.[b]
Maybe I think you need to get your tubes
tied so you don't bring anymore children
into the world.
I know, I know...how dare I tell you such
a thing. I don't even know you, blah
blah.
That's exactly how I
feel.
You can tell me all you want. feel free.
Like I said, I don't care what people do
with their bodies, as long as they don't
kill a child. As long as a life is not
ended. Babies are killed in abortion.
Can't you see that?
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Reptar
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Posted: 04-27-08 14:29pm
jujujellybean
wrote:
You can tell me all you want. feel free.
Like I said, I don't care what people do
with their bodies, as long as they don't
kill a child. As long as a life is not
ended. Babies are killed in abortion.
Can't you see
that?
Just like we don't care what you think
about what we chose to do with our bodies.
You can choose not to have an abortion,
and we can choose to have one.
Abortion does not get rid of the problem
"short-term", last time I checked the
women no longer had to give birth to a
baby. And so I'm guessing you think that
regardless of whether a women is going to
die giving birth, she should carry on with
a pregnancy. I guess you're like the
others who don't give two shakes about
anyone who's actually living, just as long
as the precious fetus is saved.
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rainstorm
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Joined: 12 Mar 2008 Posts: 68
Posted: 04-27-08 14:36pm
jujujellybean
wrote:
You can tell me all you want. feel free.
Like I said, I don't care what people do
with their bodies, as long as they don't
kill a child. As long as a life is not
ended. Babies are killed in abortion.
Can't you see
that?
Do you actually picture a baby in your
mind when you think of abortion?
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oopoopoop
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Posted: 04-27-08 16:50pm
jujujellybean
wrote:
Babies are killed in
abortion. Can't you see
that?
But you see, not everyone LIKES babies.
The point is to get rid of it before it IS
a baby, because you don't want one of
those.
,
and killing a person is 'm'. Therefore it
is wrong.