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How would you feel, if the Catholic Church said...
Posted: 05-22-08 13:37pm
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... if we cant beat them, join them.
It is well known that Christianity is an
advocate for the oppressed and the poor,
for the down trodden and out casts in
society.
Well what if the Catholic church said,
well we cant beat those who oppress, we
cant beat the rich we cant beat those who
trample on people and we cant beat those
who make out casts in society, so lets
join them.
Lets think of the new christian line as
something like this.....
Yeah lord and lady britain we now agree
with you, of course abortion is not for
the likes of you or us, we are far
superior to those underclass type people,
those unemployed lot who have nothing
better to do than have sex so they can
have babies to obtain houses on social
security, of course abortion for such
people should not only be a choice, it
should be encouraged, and of course we
must give their already existing children
contraception, perhaps we should try
steralisation via some "vaccination
programme", we need to stop the likes of
such people from breading.
and of course we cant have a large
population of ethnic minorities in case
they take control, so abortion should be
encouraged among ethnic races, only white
people of good breading (eugenics) like
lords and ladies should encourage
pregnancy and also those who have money to
provide a decent education, yes only
decent people should get pregnant, let
those scum bags kill their children, they
cant afford to give them anything but this
so callec "love" why should we have to
keep those scummy council flat tennants in
a house, we certainly arent our brothers
keeper, there are so many of them, the
country is going to wreck and ruin, we
need to cull the undesirables. We are now
in favour of abortion for the same reasons
as you.
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Posted: 05-22-08 13:42pm
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I think maybe your dosage needs adjusting.
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Posted: 05-22-08 14:02pm
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*Slams forehead on desk*
No wonder people on here are so annoyed
with Christianity; it really is
embarrassing to see some of the things
they post.
... I'm Catholic, but it's strange how
different my faith is from just about
everything you say.
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Posted: 05-22-08 16:15pm
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Catholicism is entirely different from the
things I posted, just as well otherwise it
wouldnt be catholic.
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Re: How would you feel, if the Catholic Church said...
Posted: 05-22-08 16:16pm
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| Gu£st
wrote: | | We are now in favour of
abortion for the same reasons as
you. |
I didn't see any of the reasons I am PRO
CHOICE (versus "in favour of abortion")
listed there, only the same ol' incorrect,
stereotypical dogma.
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Re: How would you feel, if the Catholic Church said...
Posted: 05-22-08 16:24pm
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Try as I might, I just cannot fit a Bible
into my uterus.
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Posted: 05-22-08 21:41pm
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I know Catholicism is different. I got the
point you were trying to make.
However that isn't what being prochoice is
about either, so that's where I got lost
and annoyed because what you said was
false.
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Posted: 05-23-08 01:29am
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Catholicism causes more problems than it
solves through the anti-birth control
stance. Women are unnecessarily subjected
to accidental/unwanted/dangerous
pregnancies because of Catholic dogma and
its reach. I would say this is only a
Catholic woman's problem but for the fact
that Catholic pharmacists practice gender
discrimination each day by refusing to
dispense medical treatment to females.
The Catholic belief system interferes with
women's health care on an international
level. Birth control isn't used
exclusively to prevent pregnancy, often it
is used to regulate debilitating and
chaotic menstrual cycles. It is also used
to treat a very common medical condition
called endometriosis, which affects a good
number of women and if left untreated can
render them sterile or fuse internal
organs together. Of course, the Catholics
wouldn't care about what happens to a
woman's other organs but what would they
say if their anti-bc stance actually
stopped women from breeding?
Long ago I accepted that Catholics and
most other Christians are simply in favor
of female suffering.
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Posted: 05-23-08 15:58pm
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Christianity is unfortunately very corrupt
in some ways; especially when it comes to
money. In the past it has been very
corrupt, with rich Popes padding their
pockets.
Beware of the "slippery slope" theory,
Guest. Beware of exaggerating ideas to fit
an idea.
And remember finally, that it is not about
"beating" anyone. You don't "win" at
Christianity. Instead, we share our
knowledge by acting. By being a giver, a
provider, a donator. Show the rich how to
find happiness in being a samaratin. Show
the oppressors the pleasure of humble
cooperation, and the joy of seeing someone
else suceede because of your help.
Lead by example, not force. If you try to
"beat" the rich and the oppressive into
submission, you become the oppressor. By
trying too hard to "beat" them instead of
"joining" them, you inadvertently become
them and you DO join them, even if you're
so deluded you think you're doing good.
The best form of Christianity is a passive
kind. Simply BE Christian. Others will
ask, and you can provide if asked. Then
teach, gently. Never be "preachy", but
subtle. Don't prostletize, don't shout. A
quiet voice is strained to hear, a loud
one is blocked out.
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Posted: 05-24-08 00:49am
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| Darkmoon
wrote: |
Long ago I accepted that Catholics and
most other Christians are simply in favor
of female
suffering. |
As a devout and proud Catholic, I can
assure you I am in favor of no one's
suffering. However, I also do not think
that suffering should be avoided at all
costs, including something that is wrong
morally. I believe that sex and marriage
are for procreating and that children are
a natural God-given result of sexual
relations. Therefore, birth control stops
the natural process of sex. Are there
instances where pregnancies and births
create pain and suffering for the mothers?
Yes, of course. But that does not mean
that the pregnancy should be stopped. That
means that sometimes there is sufering in
life and it has to be dealt with. I don't
think killing a child to avoid your own
personal pain or suffering is justifiable.
And yes: The moment sperm and egg meet, a
child is created. You may tell yourself
otherwise, but that is fact.
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Posted: 05-24-08 07:18am
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| osmondfan
wrote: | | Darkmoon
wrote: |
Long ago I accepted that Catholics and
most other Christians are simply in favor
of female
suffering. |
As a devout and proud Catholic, I can
assure you I am in favor of no one's
suffering. However, I also do not think
that suffering should be avoided at all
costs, including something that is wrong
morally. I believe that sex and marriage
are for procreating and that children are
a natural God-given result of sexual
relations. Therefore, birth control stops
the natural process of sex. Are there
instances where pregnancies and births
create pain and suffering for the mothers?
Yes, of course. But that does not mean
that the pregnancy should be stopped. That
means that sometimes there is sufering in
life and it has to be dealt with. I don't
think killing a child to avoid your own
personal pain or suffering is justifiable.
And yes: The moment sperm and egg meet, a
child is created. You may tell yourself
otherwise, but that is
fact. |
I think that is a fine and dandy thing for
you to believe, and I wish you much
happiness in living your life that way.
Can you, though, accept that those who do
not follow your religion believe otherwise
-- and that they have the right to behave
in accordance with their own beliefs? Or
is your way the right way and everyone
else is wrong?
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Posted: 05-24-08 08:55am
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If you want to have nine children, you go
right ahead and do that. I, however, do
NOT want nine children. I will continue to
have sex with my husband when we're done
creating babies and I will use birth
control to ensure I don't get pregnant
again. If that morally offends you, I'm
afraid that will have to remain YOUR
problem and not mine.
I also find your shrugging off pregnancy
complications and risks as "a mother
should suffer and deal" disturbing. As a
Christian, I don't believe anybody should
suffer against their will. I don't know
what sane person would wish suffering on
another person for daring to have sex.
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Posted: 05-24-08 10:55am
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| osmondfan
wrote: | | Darkmoon
wrote: |
Long ago I accepted that Catholics and
most other Christians are simply in favor
of female
suffering. |
As a devout and proud Catholic, I can
assure you I am in favor of no one's
suffering. However, I also do not think
that suffering should be avoided at all
costs, including something that is wrong
morally. I believe that sex and marriage
are for procreating and that children are
a natural God-given result of sexual
relations. Therefore, birth control stops
the natural process of sex. Are there
instances where pregnancies and births
create pain and suffering for the mothers?
Yes, of course. But that does not mean
that the pregnancy should be stopped. That
means that sometimes there is sufering in
life and it has to be dealt with. I don't
think killing a child to avoid your own
personal pain or suffering is justifiable.
And yes: The moment sperm and egg meet, a
child is created. You may tell yourself
otherwise, but that is
fact. |
That is what you believe, and I have no
problem with that. However, can you
understand that you have no right to
force/coerce/cajole/etc. anyone else to
also believe what you believe? It is also
wrong to try to get your religious beliefs
reflected in secular laws.
For example, this statement is
outrageous:
"You may tell yourself otherwise, but that
is fact."
It most certainly is NOT a fact, it is a
BELIEF.
I'm addressing all religious people with
this post, osmondfan, not just you.
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Posted: 05-24-08 10:57am
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| oopoopoop
wrote: |
I think that is a fine and dandy thing for
you to believe, and I wish you much
happiness in living your life that way.
Can you, though, accept that those who do
not follow your religion believe otherwise
-- and that they have the right to behave
in accordance with their own beliefs? Or
is your way the right way and everyone
else is
wrong? |
I wrote my post above before I read this,
lol!!!!! I guess great minds think
alike. 
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Posted: 05-25-08 12:12pm
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Please listen to reasonable Christians
like cmyked and AyaMiyaki. You can't
force the world to practice your
religion's sexual views. Childfree women
deserve a relationship. We deserve love
just like any "breeder" woman.
Discrimination against women that won't or
can't breed is not moral. Same goes for
men. Some Christians are willing to step
out of their church for a moment and
interact with the world outside.
In that world, many people of many
different faiths and non-faiths exist.
It is not going to hurt you at all to let
them live as they will. If you're right
and they are wrong, then they'll be hurt
and you'll still be fine. If they're
right and you're wrong, same thing holds
true. You can't force everyone else to
follow your beliefs. When it comes to
reproduction, to force women to adhere to
Catholic endeavors is to force them to be
slaves.
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Posted: 05-25-08 12:15pm
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I'd also like to call to attention the
Church of Jesus Christ of Laterday Saints
or whatever these child molesters call
themselves. These people believe that men
should have multiple wives and that female
children should be married (aka raped by
older men) as soon as they hit puberty.
Tell me please, why should the rest of the
world prescribe to Christian laws when so
much of it clearly advocates the rape and
abuse of females, including children?
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Posted: 05-26-08 18:38pm
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Not everyone who calls themselves
Christian is so.
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Posted: 05-27-08 10:44am
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some people use religion as a guideline
and other it is their choice of lifestyle
although I consider it ignorant.
For those who shove their opinions down
others throat religion is a belief a
perception that you see but everyone has
different perceptions, reality does not
exist my dear. Christianity is not the
only religion "fact" their is religion
noted before this time.
For the ignorance no sin is greater than
another....
Abortin or birth control may be a sin but
so is ignorance and judging, so if you are
the same as the other person why are you
so condescending upon other another sin
may I so add.
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Posted: 06-01-08 03:09am
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Let’s get back to basics. What is
Christianity all about? Loving your
Creator and your fellow human beings.
Serving God by serving one another. And
leading people to Christ (NOT by forcing
your religion down their thoughts.) Fact
is Guest, you are not very good at the
latter.
From what I’ve seen on this forum you
have done remarkably well at doing the
exact opposite.
I just cringe every time I read one of
your posts.
Thank goodness for posters like Cmyked,
AyaMiyaki, Maddie, and Roberta777. These
Christians try their very best to undo the
damage that you do every time you post.
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Posted: 06-01-08 08:13am
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Osmondfan (Ozzy, I presume?) I can’t
remember ever reading anything in the
Bible about sex only being for
procreation. Can you help me out with a
verse or two?
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