I think Juju calling women who obtain
abortions "sluts" is both hateful and
inappropriate to debate but that doesn't
stop her. I also think her telling us all
to practice abstinence if we don't want
child is ridiculous. And I think her
suggesting to us NFP is beyond
incredulous.
But if you really want to get on Snug for
calling her out on the Pro-life America
people, perhaps you should remember when
you first came here and kept on suggesting
that we all agreed with late term
abortions.
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If you find her posts hateful and
inappropriate then report them.
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Posted: 05-14-08 16:20pm
Reptar
wrote:
I think Juju calling women
who obtain abortions "sluts" is both
hateful and inappropriate to debate but
that doesn't stop her. I also think her
telling us all to practice abstinence if
we don't want child is ridiculous. And I
think her suggesting to us NFP is beyond
incredulous.
But if you really want to get on Snug for
calling her out on the Pro-life America
people, perhaps you should remember when
you first came here and kept on suggesting
that we all agreed with late term
abortions.
Must I explain this again? Those are my
opinions and you have any right to
disagree with them; AND I DID NOT CALL ALL
WOMEN WHO OBTAIN ABORTION SLUTS. You are
taking what I said completely out of
context and using it against me. Stop.
It's annoying to have to refute it.
I didn't tell you to use abstinence.
I didn't tell you to use NFP I SUGGESTED
IT like you said. You don't have to listen
to me; if you feel the need to take it to
heart, please do. Otherwise, no one is
making you!
This is what I said on that other post:
Well, you guys complain about men knocking
someone up and then leaving; not caring
and just doing whatever they want and not
caring in the least for the girl.
By wanting abortion legal, you are giving
women the option to be just like those
men; sluts.
And THOSE men are men I said that knock a
girl up and leave not caring and just
doing whatever they want, and not caring
in the least for the girl. NOWHERE there
did I say 'all women who obtain abortions
are sluts.'
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Posted: 05-14-08 16:21pm
Reptar
wrote:
You still hang around on the
same site. Do you not post on pro-life
america. I'm pretty sure that's one of the
thousands of definitions of "hang around".
Since you're so fond of using them, I'm
pretty sure you can find it
yourself.
OK, but do you hang around with people you
don't like? Just because you are still in
the same building with someone doesn't
mean you hang around with them.
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Posted: 05-15-08 10:15am
jujujellybean
wrote:
Must I explain this again? Those are my
opinions and you have any right to
disagree with them; AND I DID NOT CALL ALL
WOMEN WHO OBTAIN ABORTION SLUTS. You are
taking what I said completely out of
context and using it against me.
...
By wanting abortion legal, you are giving
women the option to be just like those
men; sluts.
Essentially you've said that advocating
for legal abortions means that you are
advocating for women to be able to do as
men do, which is "take no responsibility"
and women who "take no responsibility" who
obtain abortions are "sluts".
Because, you see, abortion is legal right
now.
And women get them right now.
And in your eyes, that is not taking
responsibility. "Just like men".
And they are...according to you...guess
what ladies and gentlemen...they are
"sluts".
So either you've worded it wrong or there
is some subtlety here you are not getting
across b/c it not just one poster who read
it like this.
I personally think this is all ridiculous
b/c we all know this opinion is not based
in any kind of Earthly reality. So I'm
hoping we've misunderstood you.
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Posted: 05-15-08 17:43pm
antibigot
wrote:
Reptar
wrote:
Snug only called them
buddies AFTER Juju freaked out at her. The
first post she made didn't mention that
they were buddies, just said she hanged
around on pro-life america with the same
people who thought killing doctors was a
good idea.
No, Snug said, "I would think you would
know that, given all those whackos you
hang around with that think shooting
doctors is cool, and advocate passing
legislation to establish the personhood of
fetuses."
This person was IMPLYING that she is
either friends with them or agrees with
them. There was no mention of the site.
She said she HANGS AROUND WITH WACKOS. Not
that she hangs around a site with people
who are wackos. BIG
difference.
Yeah, I said she hangs around with
whackos. And she does. Matter of fact,
she has cross-posted some people's
comments from here over on
prolifeamerica.com in order to... Well, I
don't know what she's trying to
accomplish. But it generally strikes me
as the behavior of someone trying to stay
in the good graces of the "big dogs" on
that board.
She hangs around with whackos. Even if
she disagrees with them, and they aren't
her friends, she still hangs around with
whackos.
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Posted: 05-16-08 09:00am
Birch
wrote:
jujujellybean
wrote:
Must I explain this again? Those are my
opinions and you have any right to
disagree with them; AND I DID NOT CALL ALL
WOMEN WHO OBTAIN ABORTION SLUTS. You are
taking what I said completely out of
context and using it against me.
...
By wanting abortion legal, you are giving
women the option to be just like those
men; sluts.
Essentially you've said that advocating
for legal abortions means that you are
advocating for women to be able to do as
men do, which is "take no responsibility"
and women who "take no responsibility" who
obtain abortions are "sluts".
Because, you see, abortion is legal right
now.
And women get them right now.
And in your eyes, that is not taking
responsibility. "Just like men".
And they are...according to you...guess
what ladies and gentlemen...they are
"sluts".
So either you've worded it wrong or there
is some subtlety here you are not getting
across b/c it not just one poster who read
it like this.
I personally think this is all ridiculous
b/c we all know this opinion is not based
in any kind of Earthly reality. So I'm
hoping we've misunderstood
you.
Urgh. I said women JUST LIKE THOSE MEN
that sleep around a leave after like a one
night stand. Are you suggesting all women
do that? Because I am not.
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Posted: 05-16-08 09:04am
Snug
wrote:
antibigot
wrote:
Reptar
wrote:
Snug only called them
buddies AFTER Juju freaked out at her. The
first post she made didn't mention that
they were buddies, just said she hanged
around on pro-life america with the same
people who thought killing doctors was a
good idea.
No, Snug said, "I would think you would
know that, given all those whackos you
hang around with that think shooting
doctors is cool, and advocate passing
legislation to establish the personhood of
fetuses."
This person was IMPLYING that she is
either friends with them or agrees with
them. There was no mention of the site.
She said she HANGS AROUND WITH WACKOS. Not
that she hangs around a site with people
who are wackos. BIG
difference.
Yeah, I said she hangs around with
whackos. And she does. Matter of fact,
she has cross-posted some people's
comments from here over on
prolifeamerica.com in order to... Well, I
don't know what she's trying to
accomplish. But it generally strikes me
as the behavior of someone trying to stay
in the good graces of the "big dogs" on
that board.
Do you
watch that forum that closely?! LOL that's
pretty funny. I am not trying to
accomplish anything. I just thought it was
funny what you guys think of them over
there and thought they should know. So
far, it's made a good conversation piece;
most of us are pretty sad though that
trying to save babies makes your guy's
blood boil. Why don't you come over and
post? You are cross posting in a way; buck
it up and come over.
She hangs around with whackos. Even if
she disagrees with them, and they aren't
her friends, she still hangs around with
whackos.
It's not my fault we are on the same site.
I am on the same site with you. I don't
'hang around' with you in the least! The
very opposite. I just answer your posts.
Like I do over there.
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Posted: 05-16-08 09:14am
Snug
wrote:
antibigot
wrote:
Reptar
wrote:
Snug only called them
buddies AFTER Juju freaked out at her. The
first post she made didn't mention that
they were buddies, just said she hanged
around on pro-life america with the same
people who thought killing doctors was a
good idea.
No, Snug said, "I would think you would
know that, given all those whackos you
hang around with that think shooting
doctors is cool, and advocate passing
legislation to establish the personhood of
fetuses."
This person was IMPLYING that she is
either friends with them or agrees with
them. There was no mention of the site.
She said she HANGS AROUND WITH WACKOS. Not
that she hangs around a site with people
who are wackos. BIG
difference.
Yeah, I said she hangs around with
whackos. And she does. Matter of fact,
she has cross-posted some people's
comments from here over on
prolifeamerica.com in order to... Well, I
don't know what she's trying to
accomplish. But it generally strikes me
as the behavior of someone trying to stay
in the good graces of the "big dogs" on
that board.
She hangs around with whackos. Even if
she disagrees with them, and they aren't
her friends, she still hangs around with
whackos.
There are prochoicers on
prolifeamerica.com. Does that mean that
these prochoicers hang around with wackos
also?
Some people on HERE may be violent
criminals. You don't know. So that means
you may be hanging around with criminals?
What if you found out that some people
here deal drugs. And you happened to have
debated with them. You may not like them
or agree with them but does that mean you
hang around with drug dealers?
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Posted: 05-16-08 12:20pm
jujujellybean
wrote:
Birch
wrote:
jujujellybean
wrote:
Must I explain this again? Those are my
opinions and you have any right to
disagree with them; AND I DID NOT CALL ALL
WOMEN WHO OBTAIN ABORTION SLUTS. You are
taking what I said completely out of
context and using it against me.
...
By wanting abortion legal, you are giving
women the option to be just like those
men; sluts.
Essentially you've said that advocating
for legal abortions means that you are
advocating for women to be able to do as
men do, which is "take no responsibility"
and women who "take no responsibility" who
obtain abortions are "sluts".
Because, you see, abortion is legal right
now.
And women get them right now.
And in your eyes, that is not taking
responsibility. "Just like men".
And they are...according to you...guess
what ladies and gentlemen...they are
"sluts".
So either you've worded it wrong or there
is some subtlety here you are not getting
across b/c it not just one poster who read
it like this.
I personally think this is all ridiculous
b/c we all know this opinion is not based
in any kind of Earthly reality. So I'm
hoping we've misunderstood
you.
Urgh. I said women JUST LIKE THOSE MEN
that sleep around a leave after like a one
night stand. Are you suggesting all women
do that? Because I am
not.
*Snicker*. Sure. You've said that all
along. It's all over this thread. Right.
Whatever were we thinking?
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Posted: 05-16-08 22:49pm
Birch
wrote:
jujujellybean
wrote:
Birch
wrote:
jujujellybean
wrote:
Must I explain this again? Those are my
opinions and you have any right to
disagree with them; AND I DID NOT CALL ALL
WOMEN WHO OBTAIN ABORTION SLUTS. You are
taking what I said completely out of
context and using it against me.
...
By wanting abortion legal, you are giving
women the option to be just like those
men; sluts.
Essentially you've said that advocating
for legal abortions means that you are
advocating for women to be able to do as
men do, which is "take no responsibility"
and women who "take no responsibility" who
obtain abortions are "sluts".
Because, you see, abortion is legal right
now.
And women get them right now.
And in your eyes, that is not taking
responsibility. "Just like men".
And they are...according to you...guess
what ladies and gentlemen...they are
"sluts".
So either you've worded it wrong or there
is some subtlety here you are not getting
across b/c it not just one poster who read
it like this.
I personally think this is all ridiculous
b/c we all know this opinion is not based
in any kind of Earthly reality. So I'm
hoping we've misunderstood
you.
Urgh. I said women JUST LIKE THOSE MEN
that sleep around a leave after like a one
night stand. Are you suggesting all women
do that? Because I am
not.
*Snicker*. Sure. You've said that all
along. It's all over this thread. Right.
Whatever were we
thinking?
I don't know what the heck you were
posting!
I posted the original post, and then got
yelled at for calling all women that
obtained abortions sluts! I don't know how
you guys come up with the time to make
this stuff up!
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Posted: 05-17-08 13:14pm
jujujellybean
wrote:
Do you watch that forum that
closely?! LOL that's pretty funny. I am
not trying to accomplish anything. I just
thought it was funny what you guys think
of them over there and thought they should
know. So far, it's made a good
conversation piece; most of us are pretty
sad though that trying to save babies
makes your guy's blood boil. Why don't you
come over and post? You are cross posting
in a way; buck it up and come over.
No, I have cross-posted nothing. I merely
pointed out that you copied and pasted
posts from here (cross-posted) over to Nut
Land.
People don't laugh at that forum because
some of you want to give fetuses primacy
over grown women. That's actually sort of
sad. You get made sport of because you
have such a large collection of the
lunatic fringe.
I think Mark Crutcher would be more
successful in attracting pro-choice
"playthings" if he could attract more
mainstream pro-lifers. No thinking person
is going to waste their time posting in
Crazyville.
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Posted: 05-17-08 14:12pm
jujujellybean
wrote:
Do you watch that forum that
closely?! LOL that's pretty funny. I am
not trying to accomplish anything. I just
thought it was funny what you guys think
of them over there and thought they should
know. So far, it's made a good
conversation piece; most of us are pretty
sad though that trying to save babies
makes your guy's blood boil. Why don't you
come over and post? You are cross posting
in a way; buck it up and come over.
I don't watch that forum closely. The
only time I went on Pro-life America was
when someone mentioned on this forum.
However, I decided to visit today after
reading your post, I am shocked to
discover that you copied and posted my
ENTIRE post!!!! Why in the world would
you do that? The things I posted from
that site on here were bits of their
posts, with some of the wording changed
around as to not "directly quote" people I
didn't know. Now I have bunch of loony
toons over on the pro-choice site ripping
me apart and saying they are "glad" that
they scare me. Bunch of wackos if you ask
me. Please don't post my ehealth posts
over there again. And since you seem to
think I was cross posting before (which I
didn't), I will do so now:
This is the kind of responses that my post
is getting:
She's afraid of finding out the truth
about the baby she killed by abortion
and/or afraid of not being able to abort
if she gets pregnant becuase she worries
that they boy she's giving sex to will
dump her if she gets pregnant. It will
become increasingly difficult for her over
the years to avoid learning the truth no
matter what evasion tactics she skillfully
employs, and most likely the guy(s) will
dump her anyway (because she does not
respect and love herself to wait to have
sex with a male who loves her enough to
marry her and welcome her babies). Oh and
as she matures, she will outgrow that
popular choicer presumption that if they
make fun of us surely we will stop
defending the babies and women killed by
so-called 'safe' abortion, because being
popular is Soooo much more important than
anything else - LOL.
This woman KNOWS NOTHING ABOUT ME!!! Yet
she claims that I am I scared my boyfriend
will leave me (after 5 years together and
an abortion), and that I don't respect my
self because I have sex before marriage.
Then she says being "popular" is so much
more important to me then anything else,
and that I will mature. I am 31 freaking
years old!!! I don't need some nut from
the pro-life America site making her
judgmental assumptions about me an my
life! Now do you see why these people
scare me????
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Posted: 05-17-08 14:25pm
Whoa, and juju wonders where "we come up
with the time"!
Ah, the beauty in truth. What a great
website that is, honestly. Look at all
that.
I think it's great that she posted that on
there. I mean, that's reality.
I know I'm repeating myself, but it's
really just a fantastic display of what
some people really believe. They are
digging their own holes.
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Posted: 05-17-08 14:37pm
juju, unless you advocate killing abortion
providers, nurses, and anyone else related
to female reproductive healthcare, you
will soon be ostracized from PLA.
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lucy315
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Posted: 05-17-08 15:27pm
Ahhh!! This site won't let me edit my
post now, and I wrote some things wrong.
I was angry and typing too fast, and just
now realized my mistakes. I wrote
pro-choice forum instead of pro-life
forum, and now I feel bad for calling them
all wackos. I shouldn't have done that
because I am stooping to their level. I
really wanna fix my post...how do I do
that?
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Posted: 05-17-08 16:50pm
lucy315
wrote:
jujujellybean
wrote:
Do you watch that forum that
closely?! LOL that's pretty funny. I am
not trying to accomplish anything. I just
thought it was funny what you guys think
of them over there and thought they should
know. So far, it's made a good
conversation piece; most of us are pretty
sad though that trying to save babies
makes your guy's blood boil. Why don't you
come over and post? You are cross posting
in a way; buck it up and come over.
I don't watch that forum closely. The
only time I went on Pro-life America was
when someone mentioned on this forum.
However, I decided to visit today after
reading your post, I am shocked to
discover that you copied and posted my
ENTIRE post!!!! Why in the world would
you do that? The things I posted from
that site on here were bits of their
posts, with some of the wording changed
around as to not "directly quote" people I
didn't know. Now I have bunch of loony
toons over on the pro-choice site ripping
me apart and saying they are "glad" that
they scare me. Bunch of wackos if you ask
me. Please don't post my ehealth posts
over there again. And since you seem to
think I was cross posting before (which I
didn't), I will do so now:
I didn't
direct that one post towards you; it was
to like aochriss or something? I can't
remember! Maybe snug. I don't think you
were cross posting! I was referring to
someone else. Sorry for this whole mix
up!
This is the kind of responses that my post
is getting:
She's afraid of finding out the truth
about the baby she killed by abortion
and/or afraid of not being able to abort
if she gets pregnant becuase she worries
that they boy she's giving sex to will
dump her if she gets pregnant. It will
become increasingly difficult for her over
the years to avoid learning the truth no
matter what evasion tactics she skillfully
employs, and most likely the guy(s) will
dump her anyway (because she does not
respect and love herself to wait to have
sex with a male who loves her enough to
marry her and welcome her babies). Oh and
as she matures, she will outgrow that
popular choicer presumption that if they
make fun of us surely we will stop
defending the babies and women killed by
so-called 'safe' abortion, because being
popular is Soooo much more important than
anything else - LOL.
This woman KNOWS NOTHING ABOUT ME!!! Yet
she claims that I am I scared my boyfriend
will leave me (after 5 years together and
an abortion), and that I don't respect my
self because I have sex before marriage.
Then she says being "popular" is so much
more important to me then anything else,
and that I will mature. I am 31 freaking
years old!!! I don't need some nut from
the pro-life America site making her
judgmental assumptions about me an my
life! Now do you see why these people
scare me????
I know; some of them DO tend to jump to
conclusions. Again, I am sorry for the
whole thing; I didn't mean it to be the
way it was!
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Posted: 05-17-08 17:25pm
jujujellybean
wrote:
I know; some of them DO tend to jump to
conclusions. Again, I am sorry for the
whole thing; I didn't mean it to be the
way it was!
I know you didn't mean for it to get out
of hand. It's ok. It just goes to prove
that most of what was said about the
extreme pro-lifers on that board was true.
I have already been told that I "deserve"
to be called terrible names because I am a
"pro-abort". What a warm welcome I got at
that place.
But, on the other-hand, I think it will
be interesting to debate with some of the
people over there. Just being on the
board for one day has already made my
pro-choice stance stronger. They
certainly aren't changing anyone's mind
acting the way they do. I can't even
imagine having that much hate for people I
don't know ONLY because they don't agree
with my views. It's kinda sad.
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Posted: 05-17-08 23:59pm
It's impossible to debate with the posters
at PLA because there is a mob mentality
over there and they are like jackals. I
tried posting there once in a civil
manner. Yoda and Faithman quickly proved
that the site only exists to use
prochoicers as punching bags, so I went
back later as Darkmoon and gave as good as
I got. Needless to say, I got banned for
treating the abusive prolifers the same
way they treat every prochoicer and
non-extreme prolifer that comes to that
board.
Don't kid yourself. Prolife America is
just an online cult and there is no room
whatsoever for independent thought in
their ranks. Yes, I know that the
cornholes attacked Jellybean too...which
was why I suggested to her that she find
an alternative prolife site. Young people
deserve better than to have their ideals
shaped by terrorists and stalkers. Even
if I disagree with prolifers I'd rather
see the young ones hang out at the more
honest and sane sites than places like
PLA. We don't need another generation of
self-hating/anti-women's
rights/pro-bombing/anti religious
freedom/pro-slavery women. We've come too
far to ensure that young women like
Jellybean have a CHOICE in when/if they
have children and if they stay home or
stay in the workforce.
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Posted: 05-18-08 11:05am
Exactly right, Darkmoon,
Also, in order to understand where they
are coming from, you need to realize
abortion is NOT what they are really
after. It is this:
Dominion Theology
Dominion Theology is a grouping of
theological systems[4] with the common
belief that society should be governed
exclusively by the law of God as codified
in the Bible, to the exclusion of secular
law, a view also known as theonomy. The
most prominent modern formulation of
Dominion Theology is Christian
Reconstructionism, founded by R. J.
Rushdoony in the 1970s. Reconstructionists
themselves use the word dominionism to
refer to their belief that civil
government should be controlled by
Christians alone and conducted according
to Biblical law.[5][6] Social scientists
have used the word "dominionism" to refer
to adherence to Dominion Theology[4][7][8]
as well as to the influence in the broader
Christian Right of ideas inspired by
Dominion Theology.[4] Although such
influence (particularly of
Reconstructionism) has been described by
many authors,[9][10] full adherents to
Reconstructionism are few and marginalized
among conservative Christians.[9][11][12]
http://en.wikipedia.org
/wiki/Dominionism
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