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milk for toddlers Posted: 07-30-08 09:38am
Ok so here's what's been going on.
My daughter is 2 years old.
Monday evening, we went to spend the night
with her father.
He is lactose-intolerant so he only buys
Silk (soy milk). He figured since Kyleigh
likes chocolate milk, he would get the
chocolate Silk.
Kyleigh has been drinking only regular
milk, either whole or 2%.
So she had one cup of the chocolate Silk
at around bedtime. When she woke up the
next morning, she had a really soupy
diaper that had leaked through to her PJs,
so we gave her a bath. I didn't figure it
was because of the Silk.
So, he gave her more Silk in the morning
because she asked for chocolate milk. Then
we ran down to the grocery store and she
projectile vomited the chocolate silk
ALLLLLLLL over the car.
We got it all cleaned up, fed her pancakes
and everything was fine.
We left the house at about 2:30. I got her
some gummy worms from the gas station, she
only ate a few of them. By 3:30, she was
puking the gummy worms all over the car.
Luckily I was at my mother's house by this
time (although we weren't out of the car
yet, so it was all over again). Gave her a
bath and my mother gave her more chocolate
milk.. I of course yelled at my mom that
she didn't need chocolate milk, but she
had drank about half a cup by this time.
When we got home around 6pm, she threw up
yet again.
My question is:
Is this because she was given soy milk
when she has been used to regular milk?
Any thoughts or input is greatly
appreciated.
This morning she had a soupy diaper but
seems to be fine now.
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AyaMiyaki
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Posted: 07-30-08 12:45pm
I would say it sounds very likely. Maybe
she had an adverse reaction to the soy? Or
maybe it's one of those dietary changes
that causes dramatic results in your
little one. I would definitely recommend
not giving her more, and maybe give her
pedi a call just in case. S/he can
probably advise you over the phone, but
maybe they'll want her to come in for a
quick visit just to make sure she doesn't
have a stomach virus or anything.
Poor girl. I hope she feels better soon!
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Marianne0558
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Posted: 07-30-08 12:48pm
Well, she has been fine as of this
morning. I'm kind of leaning towards the
whole soy milk theory.
My sitter said she was acting normal and
eating fine again.
I kept her out of daycare for the day just
in case it was a bug.
I won't ever be giving her soy again
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mominashoe
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Posted: 07-30-08 14:28pm
I think not giving her soy is a very good
idea. There are other substitutes for
regular milk that can be used too if that
becomes a concern. Soy milk doesn't have
the natural calcium that cow's milk has,
which is the main reason milk is
recommended, and it also contains
estrogen, which isn't something you want
to give to little girls.....it will mess
with her hormones.
I tried soy formula a while back in one
day a week intervals for a few times for
my baby since she has milk intolerance and
she projectile vomited every time, and was
fine the following day, but she goes fine
on the lactose free versions of milk based
formula.
I'm sorry you had to do so much cleanup
for all of this!!
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Marianne0558
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Posted: 07-30-08 14:35pm
mominashoe:
She's not on formula. She has been doing
fine on regular milk and I never had any
problems at all. Her father only drinks
the soy milk, so he decided he would buy
some chocolate soy milk for her (don't ask
me why!) because he prefers it.
I've called the doctor and I am waiting on
them to return my call. I hope the soy
milk is what made her sick and not a bug.
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mominashoe
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Posted: 08-21-08 05:52am
Yes, I know that is not the issue. I'm
sorry I should have clarified that it is
my experience with my baby being on
formula that has led me to more
discoveries about soy products.
I hope everything is ok with your daughter
now.
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Marianne0558
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Posted: 08-21-08 07:32am
Thank you! She is fine now, ever since
those few days passed, nothing has been
out of the ordinary. The doctor finally
called back and said there was a stomach
bug going around and there was no use
bringing her in to be seen because it was
viral and I'd just have to wait it out.
I'm still not too sure it wasn't the soy
milk. She has been fine since she hasn't
had any more soy. Ugh! Never again!
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mominashoe
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Posted: 08-21-08 08:43am
Oh I'm so glad!
"Ugh! Never again!" is right! Who would
want to keep something around when you
looked at it more times as vomit than any
other way......congrats, you made it
through.
Definitely keep your daughter away from
soy. It can only harm her.
I could go on and on about the dangers of
soy, but there are enough studies against
it now, the information is out there for
anyone concerned.
I found out too late about the danger with
soy infant formula. I switched my son to
soy because he was so fussy and agitated
on cow's milk formula, and I was having
trouble expressing enough breast milk.
Amazingly, he did fine on the soy formula,
no vomiting or other overt signs of a
problem.
The problems started around the age of two
years, with constipation, aggressive
behavior, rashes. At age three, defiant
refusal to potty train, bedwetting, and
frequent out-of-the-blue meltdowns. At
this point he was off formula but drinking
soymilk, because he liked it and I thought
it was good for him. He also loved soy
bacon, soy burgers and tofurky. We had
become a soy eatin' family, thinking we
had made a healthy choice. Ha, ha, ha.
At age four, his behavior was so bad that
I took a parenting class for difficult
children. I was shocked to see how many
moms and dads were in this class because
their children had diagnosed developmental
disorders. I began to wonder if my son had
Oppositional Defiant Disorder, a diagnosis
I learned about in the class. (Can you
believe "they" actually came up with this,
as a definable disorder?)
But my son was highly intelligent, often
affectionate, and very eloquent for a four
year old.
At five he started kindergarten, and to my
amazement was considered a "model" child;
very obedient, considerate of others, a
willing and articulate student!
But I soon realized something was wrong.
He disliked school. Said he was "bored",
and was wetting himself (and wetting the
bed at night, still.)
I discovered that school was actually
extremely stressful for him, but out of a
desire to "be good", and not get into any
trouble (they lay on the consequences of
"poor choices" early in the first weeks of
every school year), he was holding in a
lot of feelings at school, and letting
them loose bigtime! when he came home.
I knew it had to be more than just a
discipline issue though, because a problem
with sensory issues was growing more
pronounced.
A hatred of haircuts, discomfort with his
clothes and his environment, not wanting
to travel in the car, and a very short
fuse whenever he felt someone had wronged
him. I learned about Sensory Integration
Disorders by the time he was six years
old, and knew this was the problem, but I
kept asking myself why? I found no
reasonable answer until, at the age of
eight a stressful situation at school led
to a cascade of symptoms that frightened
me into more action. I took him to doctor
after doctor, getting no relief from the
symptoms; light sensitivity, fatigue,
gastrointestinal problems,etc. I suspected
a food allergy and took him to a
chiro/nutritionist who did saliva testing
and even hair analysis.
And there it was. Extreme soy allergy! We
were still consuming a lot of soy at this
time (in all of its various forms). The
hair analysis revealed severe adrenal
stress! I took my son off of all soy, and
stopped eating it myself, although my
husband kept buying soy products and
eating them.
But it was too late. The damage had been
done. Despite nutritional supplements and
soy abstainance, he continued to suffer
with more and more significant symptoms,
but since his GP had no more advice, I
made an appointment with an
endocrinologist myself. I had heard the
California Public Safety Hearing on TV in
November of 2004, warning of the dangers
of soy infant formula. Endocrine
disruption, manganese toxicity, etc. I
didn't want to believe it. How could they
sell this stuff for babies, knowing it
could be so harmful?
My son's endocrine tests revealed low
growth hormone, (he stopped growing at the
age of nine), low thyroid function,
(something soy is notorious for), low
adrenal hormone function and high
prolactin levels. I read on the internet
these results could indicate a pituitary
tumor, and sure enough , the
endocrinologist ordered a brain MRI. I
remembered reading in 2005 that the
pituitary gland was a target for excess
manganese in the body, and that the soy
phytoestrogens could lead to pituitary
insufficiency.
It was worse than that. My son has a
pituitary tumor, a large one, growing
toward his optic nerves, and suppressing
anterior pituitary function.
When I told the endo and the neurosurgeon
I spoke with about the soy infant formula,
the response was "don't believe everything
you read on the internet. Pituitary tumors
aren't that uncommon"! They don't believe
soy caused the tumor or the endocrine
disruption, but then what did? They have
no answer other than he was probably born
with it. Yet I have found research
studies where scientists have INDUCED
pituitary tumors deliberately in rats
using ESTROGEN for the purpose of study,
and it is well known among scientists that
estrogen does this!
Sorry, I went on and on anyway, didn't I?
You can read more in the book, The Whole
Soy Story by Kaayla T. Daniel, PhD, CCN.
You can get it from Amazon.com This book
has been attacked by many soy lovers, but
remember, I was once one of those soy
lovers. I am also an educated, logical
thinking person, not a hot-headed radical,
and I have done much research myself,
because of my son's illness. Everyone
should become aware of the health hazards
of soy, and ignore the "evidence" that it
is a healthy food. Soy infant formula
needs to be taken off the market. If
anything, soy has a future as a powerful
drug, so the drug companies and soy
manufacturers can still be happy.
I just found out the organic turkey I
finally talked my son into eating, is
soy-fed turkey. Oh well, there's just no
winning sometimes.
Take good care of that beautiful daughter
of yours. And tell your husband....well
no, get the book. The dangers are too
numerous to easily and quickly verbalize.
Case in point!
Honeycomb
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