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shervinhey
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moving disk or condyle away from their place
Posted: 04-01-08 01:03am
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hi i have a question is it possible to
displace the condyle or diks
i mean for example with a pressure we move
the condyle(joint) 1 centimeter backward
or toward down
i have heard that its not possible to
displace joint just with a shoot of gun or
something like this we can displace and
move the joint is this right?
and also i want to know about disk does
the disk stick to the fossa or it is
movable along fossa? because i have heard
that disk is so tight that we cant move it
in other hand i have heard that disk is
movable?!!
and what if the joint turn more than its
limit toward up or down
does the disk move or something and whats
the cure if somebodys jaw
turn more than its limit toward up?
tank u if u share ur knowlege with me
about this
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Posted: 04-01-08 14:17pm
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it is possible to displace the disk or
condyle. but it probably would take more
than you think it would. our jaws are
pretty tough even though we dont think
they are because of the pain. I wouldnt
worry too much about this. what you are
describing i dont think would be enough to
do much except hurt a little
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shervinhey
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Posted: 04-02-08 12:21pm
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hi tmddyan i think u didnt understand my
question i want u to notice carefully
about what i said
i think when we say displaced disk or
condyle in fact it mean misfunction or bad
function of condyle or disk when we open
and close mouth.
i mean something different i mean we
displace the condyle form its normal
place
is it possible?
and whats ur idea about when condyle turn
in its place clockwise more than its
limit.
what will be hurt in this condition muscle
ligament disk or somethihg else and what
is the result?
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Tmddyan
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Posted: 04-02-08 17:08pm
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no i understood and yes it is possible.
the jaw is stronger than you think it is.
it would take a lot to displace the disc
and the condyle. If you mean to function
bady, it takes alot of time to get it to
that point. Years of it being displaced
and used in the displaced position. being
"pounded" by the condyle etc. I had
displaced discs. they rested in front of
the condyle. If you go more than the limit
you would have to stretch the muscles and
ligiments further than necessary to open
and would eventually cause tearing of the
muscles. but again this would be a lot of
force to do this. there would also be a
lot of pain.
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shervinhey
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Posted: 04-02-08 21:11pm
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ok tank u i think we talk about my problem
befor
with a force i turn my right condyle a
little in its postion clockwise
for about 2 month my jaw was Asymmetric
and after that my left condyle get the
shape of my right condyle to some extent.
but now my jaw is alittle toward up and
front like a clockwise turn. in this days
i have some pain in my right condyle i
dont know what is happening whats is ur
idea ?
will my jaw and condyles back to normal
with pasting of time? because this problem
cause a undesirable facial change for me
as i said my jaw look a little upper and
front and cause my jaw look smaller than
it should be
and the way that my teeth fit together
change after this force.
i will be happy if u say ur idea about my
problem.
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Tmddyan
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Posted: 04-03-08 12:40pm
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What are you doing or i should say what
happened that your jaw went into this
position? It could go back with time, but
most of the time you need to get it
treated. what other symptoms do you have?
any clicking,poping etc? get some ice on
it and alternate with heat. take some anti
inflamitories and get back to me.
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shervinhey
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Posted: 04-03-08 23:53pm
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i think i have said how my jaw hit befor i
do a floosh thing and put a metall thing
on my last molar and put my jaw alittle
forward and try to close my mouth i do
this for someother porpuse i never think
that i might turn my jaw!
anyway after i
approximate my eye teeth on eachother and
hold this condition for some second i feel
my condyle move alittle and after i
release the pressure my jaw was motionless
and alittle painfull.
the symptoms that i have during this 2.5
month was just clicking for sometimes not
always nothing else happen and as i said
during this time my left condyle get the
shape of my right condyle to some extent
and this days i feel some pressure on my
jaw and also some pain on my condyles.
i have gone to many doctors but because i
dont have any serious syptoms like poping
serius pain and... they dont satisfied me
. the thing that bother me is facial
change that doctors may never notice it
because the havent seen me befor
anyway whats ur idea in this condition do
u think my jaw become normal in this king
of pressure that i put by pasting of time?
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Posted: 04-04-08 12:39pm
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ah now i remember. I think that your jaw
could become better if you went and got it
treated. you should find a tmj doctor in
your area and go to him. If the doctor is
a good doctor he will notice anything that
is wrong with you and make a plan to fix
it.
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shervinhey
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Posted: 04-15-08 10:00am
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hi tmddyan i come again
i visited some doctor but i didnt get my
answer they was unable to help me after i
explain about what i did i got different
respond some of them said its not
possible!
some of them refuse to except that my jaw
shap change!
some of them say that i might pull muscle
or ligament and it will back to normal
after times but they wasnt sure when
saying this!
im confused.
i think this thing that i did to myself is
a new thing that no body has any opinion
about that
im worry about this and need ur suggestion
i just need information about tmj
structure then i can myself get some
result about whether my jaw back to normal
or not.
u exactly know how i put pressure on my
jaw joint.
with that pressure i move the bone .
does my disk move in this case?
in what case the disk move because u say
that the disk is so tight and wont move
easily.
as i know there is cartilage around tmj
and my joint turn into this cartilage.
this are all the thing that can imagine
about what i did.
do u think that i pull muscle and
ligament?
in all i just want to get some result
myself please help me and give ur opinion
i think i myself should solve this problem
and there is no doctor that have any cure
for this.
please help me and give ur opinion
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shervinhey
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Posted: 04-15-08 11:16am
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other thing that i forgot to say i use
brace and this days i feel some kind of
pressure to my jaw and tmj
is it possible that my jaw place in a
position that force my tmj to move toward
left or right i dont mean turning i mean
completly move toward right or left in
other hand become closer to my ear and
stay in its new position permanetly and
for always?
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Posted: 04-15-08 14:46pm
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yes it is possible to do that --you would
need a neuro mcuscular dentist. a lot of
doctors dont know a whole lot about tmd.
often they just say that its in our heads
and hope it goes away. Im not sure of
where you are but would you consider going
to the states to have treatment?
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shervinhey
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Posted: 04-15-08 22:02pm
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no i cant go to state
if that is possible as my eye teeth try to
come front with brace i feel some pressure
in my face that try to turn my jaw to its
normal positon but i think it coudnt and
instead of that push my right tmj toward
back and near my ear.
i wonder all this thing are possible
without anypain and poping r u sure about
that?
and if this is right i might confront a
permanent change in my jaw joint is it
possible?
i think useing brace in this state is
another problem because brace also move
the jaw and try to fit in a proper
position.
dont u think if l wait until my ortodentsy
finish i see what is what and after that
my jaw back to normal?
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Posted: 04-16-08 17:40pm
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yes this is possibel with out pain---if
you are using a brace continue to do so. i
think that you are too worried about this
it will get better,dont think about it too
much
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shervinhey
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Posted: 04-16-08 23:08pm
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yes im worried because im affraid that
after this pressure and finishing use of
brace my jaw joint rest in a different
position than it should be and another
thing that worry me is facial change that
i got after this pressure.
by the way something that is too important
for me is u say that the jaw joint may
move toward left and right
i saw some photo of tmj skull and as i saw
the condyle rest in the arch of the upper
bone(fossa) i think there is no way for
condyle to move toward left or right and
if the condyle move toward left it it will
go to our ear because its exactly near
ear.
and i think the onlyway that we can
displace the condyle is turning it or pull
it toward down.
would u pls completly explain this to me
for the last time.
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Posted: 04-17-08 12:33pm
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it sounds like--if im understanding you
right --that the condyle is dislocated? if
that is the case you should have a doctor
put it back in position. you should be
able to move your jaw in any of the
natrual positions---could you pm me this
photo of your jaw so that i can better
understand?
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shervinhey
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Posted: 04-17-08 20:47pm
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hi today i understand something
the pressure that i put to my jaw wasnt
so seroius
i put this pressure 3 month ago but i
didnt made it warm and because the weather
was cold that days it become cold and made
it worse and cause my other condyle move
and also the cocdyle that i pressued get
worse i think if i warm my joint from the
first day it got better in 1 week
i dont think that my condyles are
dislocated they just have pulled and stay
in a different position
now that i didnt warm them and let them
become worse can i be hopefull that they
get better if i warm they from now.
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Posted: 04-18-08 13:45pm
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yes and just dont worry about
it----worrying makes things so much worse
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shervinhey
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Posted: 04-22-08 12:26pm
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hi plz answer this question today
something happen and that turn that made
bye pressure that i put return to its
normal position but my jaw because of my
face pressure move completly toward back
this is befor my face pressure
http://kesafat.persiangig.ir
/lg.jpg
and this is after my face presssure
http://kesafat.persiangig.ir
/lb.jpg
as u can see my condyle compleye change
its position did my disk move now?
and whats the result did i pull ligament?
and is this change recovable please
ansewer this question its no important for
me
the clockwise turn of my jaw back to
normal but what about the change of this
positon?
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shervinhey
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Posted: 04-22-08 13:13pm
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by the way plz answer this too i want to
know what does it mean when we say the
disk move? because u said that the disk is
tighter than i think
and as i know the disk is movable accross
fossa
what does this mean in what way the disk
is tight in one way the disk is movable
accross fossa
what do umean that the disk so tight? plz
answer me?
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Posted: 04-22-08 15:31pm
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i meant that the disk can take more damage
than you think it can its tougher than you
think--honestly the best thing is for you
to get to a doctor and be persistant and
not take no for an answer. the disc is
supposed to move with your jaw and follow
the condyle down--its supposed to do that
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