100% pro-choice

I don't really care about your "humble" (LMAO) view. You already know that. Why do you persist in calling me anti-choice and trying to tell me how to think? I can't quite understand why you even bother responding to me.

Blah bla blah. You back yet, MeBlonde01?

I'm here. whats ya want?

Eiri
I have always understood where you stand with your feeling about being pro-choice.
You have said over and over nothing is black and white. You are still pro-choice; you just don't feel it is acceptable for a person to choose abortion when they are 7-8-9 months along.

I'm just making sure that what I'm standing for actually makes sense. It makes sense to me; and if it makes sense to most everyone else, then it's all good ^^ *thumbs up* I guess I'm just trying to prove that the opinions of one or two people doesn't matter in the big picture. There are more moderates that liberals and conservatives because just about everyone can understand the world in shades of gray. We may attempt to label ourselves and go into one extreme or another, but I think most of us realise eventually that it just feels so fake. That's why I can't be a vegetarian. Yes, I care about the animals being abused, but I'm just not the kind of person to go to extremes. I'm a drama queen as it is! That's where my energy goes into for being extreme.

I think one of the issues at hand here is that pro-choicers can whip out rape and life-or-death situations and almost all pro-lifers will nod, compromise, and say "well yes, in some cases I can understand why abortion is needed for the woman's sake". I almost NEVER see a pro-choicer going "well, yes, in some cases I can understand why abortion is wrong in regards to the fetus's rights". <--(I mean this in regards to the ethicalness of killing the fetus. Almost all cases I've seen is when a pro-choicer says "no forced abortion" because it is a violation of the woman's life or "if she will regret it then it's not for her". None of these cases pertain to the rights of the unborn). So which side is actually unwilling to compromise? Pro-choice. Which side demands this and that, yet isn't even willing to admit that yes, in some cases, abortion is actually bad (again in regards to the fetus' rights)? Pro-choice.

I'm not saying pro-lifers are angels, because they're not. They bomb clinics, they harass women who are actually there for birth control, and they use emotional terrorism to try and change people's minds. That's not commendable. My point IS however, that pro-choicers don't have the high moral-ground either. Both sides are down in the mud right now.

I dislike extremism, which is why I have as much resentment towards extreme pro-choicers as I do towards extreme pro-lifers. A woman has a right to remove the unborn if she is going to die, such as an ectopic pregnancy or some other situation. However, she does not have the right to kill a nearly-born fetus just because she feels like it. These are the two extremes. Some pro-lifers are against removal of the embryo/fetus even if the mother is going to die, and some pro-choicers believe the fetus can be killed at any time as long as it is still inside the uterus and feeding from the umbilical cord.

We have GOT to come together. Compromise is not a swear word.

And now for an example of NOT coming together.

I do, actually. You're allowed to be as extreme as you want. Just don't dare tell ME how to think, since I'm not telling YOU how to think. [edited]

It's not that I'm uncomfortable with it for no reason. Viability, Kypros.

If you think it is ethically ok to kill a nearly-born baby for no medical/mental/health reason, then personally you belong in a mental institution. BUT, you have a right to THINK that way. The LAW however, says it is illegal.

quote thingie is messing up:(

Lol, I figured.

You totally haven't got the point I was addressing with that, have you? I don't care about how comfortable you or I may or may not be. I'm notably uncomfortable with personally having an abortion full stop. I would consider it if I felt I needed one, but it would be very, very difficult for me, because I'm the type of person who always wonders "what if..." and I'd be constantly thinking "Oh, my baby would be x years old if I'd have kept it".

You have accused me of being closed-minded - yet you say that anybody who isn't ethicaly opposed to late-term abortions for social reasons belongs in a mental institution. That is pathetic, wrong, baseless, and utterly unintelligent. Moreover, it evades the worthwhile debates such people can produce.

I will tell you again: the law is based on individuality and discreteness, NOT somatic development. This is why a foetus one week away from birth has less rights than a legless, armless, mentally retarded man, despite the fact it is more developed physically, it lacks the appropriate criteria for human rights and protection. Also, the foetus still resides within another body. That is enough to deny it rights.

I want to raise another issue regarding your stance: if it's acceptable to abort late-term foetuses for medical reasons, why can't we kill neonates for medical reasons?

I'm not claiming that the nearly-born should have as many rights as the born, but it does deserve MORE than a 10 week fetus, and I'm sorry but it's just plain WRONG to abort at that stage unless your life is in danger or etc. because of VIABILITY. At that point, it is NOT "just about the woman, and discreteness" and whatever other excuse you want to come up with. At that point, NO, you don't deserve privacy as to why you want to kill your child. You need to have a DAMN good reason. As I have said many times, sometimes it's just too late.

When does a fetus have legal claim on the body and resources of it's mother?

When it is viable it has a right to life as I have stated dozens of times.

I specifically stated that it DOESN'T have a legal claim to her body; ONLY that it has a legal claim to LIFE because it is CAPABLE of it. Induce labor or have a c-section.

You waited too long. Now, unless your life or your mental health is in danger or unless the fetus is severely deformed ETC (we all know the exceptions by now) you do NOT have the right to voluntarily kill it just because you want to. You need a REASON.

"Oh no, what? I can't kill a nearly-born for no reason!? You're evil!"

It doesn't have a legal right, becasue legal means authorized by or based on law: And Laws are man made. But that is why man made the law about late term so it would not happen.
There is a difference between legal and morals too. Some people are only forced by law becasue they have no morals. I'm not just talking about abortions on this one.