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Pro-lifers Posted: 05-28-08 03:37am
Just a question for the pro-lifers...
The way I see it, PLs are 100% against
abortion. But PCs are theoretically 50%
for and 50% against abortion. Just because
someone is PC, doesn't mean they will get
an abortion as soon as they find out they
are pregnant, or even have one at all. I'm
PC, and I personally probably wouldn't
have an abortion, but would never look
down on anyone having one.
My question is, why is it so hard to
accept that PC means they have the CHOICE
to abort, not necessarily SUPPORTING every
woman to have an abortion? Also, why is
abortion automatically associated with
promiscuousy and lack of BC?
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Posted: 05-28-08 07:10am
Excellent, excellent questions, Lilly Ivy,
and I hope you get some answers.
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anniek
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Posted: 05-28-08 08:00am
That's how I feel but I'm considered
pro-life because of the situations I
believe are right. I don't look down on
anyone but strongly encourage not having
an abortion when there is a healthy mother
and baby. I only voice my opinions. But I
do understand it's their choice.
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Posted: 05-28-08 09:57am
I have known pro-lifers - in fact most -
that are NOT 100% against abortion. As far
as I can tell, the sides are a lot
blurrier than anyone seems willing to
admit. Most pro-lifers agree with abortion
to save the mother's life if she's going
to die, and most pro-choicers disagree
with late-term abortions unless they are
for medical reasons.
Lack of birth control and/or incorrectly
used/failed birth control is the reason
for most abortions. Promiscuity is the
word promoted by extreme pro-lifers who
use religion as their backer to say that
there should be no sex before marriage.
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Posted: 05-28-08 10:10am
cmyked
wrote:
. Most pro-lifers agree with
abortion to save the mother's life if
she's going to die, and most pro-choicers
disagree with late-term abortions unless
they are for medical
reasons
I am one of those people who dont agree
with late term abortions, I understand it
is a choice but I personally feel that if
it is able to be independent in any way
shape or form/able to survive outside on
its own than it should, other than that Im
open.
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cmyked
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Posted: 05-28-08 10:18am
Same here. Once it reaches viability the
only excuse for its death is maternal
danger in which a c-section is for some
reason out of the question.
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Birch
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Posted: 05-28-08 10:58am
Well, if it's not illegal, it's still a
choice and I'm not going to start applying
my own morals to other people arbitrarily
because that is the antithesis of the
prochoice ideology. I wouldn't do it, I
wouldn't recommend someone do it, but I
wouldn't tell them they couldn't because
I
don't think it's a good idea.
I'm not the one having the abortion; it's
not on my conscience, I don't have to live
with it. Same reasons I'm prochoice at
six weeks.
Educate, educate, educate first.
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cmyked
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Posted: 05-28-08 11:57am
It IS illegal, thank god.
Why don't you respond to the original post
instead of harping on us for expressing
our opinions? You're in the minority here.
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cmyked
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Posted: 05-28-08 14:14pm
Your post is completely immature and has
been reported.
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Birch
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Posted: 05-28-08 15:06pm
cmyked
wrote:
Your post is completely
immature and has been
reported.
Aw, no sense of humor?
Fine, fine...I'll water it down. Just for
you, let's start over:
cmyked
wrote:
Why don't you respond to the
original post instead of harping on us for
expressing our opinions? You're in the
minority
here.
Now, you cannot read any inflection or
meaning into that because it is monotone
and devoid of emotion. Have a nice day!
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aochriss
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Posted: 05-28-08 15:08pm
anniek
wrote:
That's how I feel but I'm
considered pro-life because of the
situations I believe are right. I don't
look down on anyone but strongly encourage
not having an abortion when there is a
healthy mother and baby. I only voice my
opinions. But I do understand it's their
choice.
You sound pro-choice to me.
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Posted: 05-28-08 15:12pm
Birch
wrote:
cmyked
wrote:
Your post is completely
immature and has been
reported.
Aw, no sense of humor?
Fine, fine...I'll water it down. Just for
you, let's start over:
cmyked
wrote:
Why don't you respond to the
original post instead of harping on us for
expressing our opinions? You're in the
minority
here.
Now, you cannot read any inflection or
meaning into that because it is monotone
and devoid of emotion. Have a nice day!
But you told someone to "watch the
language" just because they didn't use
certain words the way YOU think they
SHOULD be used (no matter that they
actually used them correctly according to
the dictionary!) Who are you to tell
someone what language to use when it is
used correctly? You need to practice what
you preach, man!
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Posted: 05-29-08 08:14am
cmyked
wrote:
Same here. Once it reaches
viability the only excuse for its death is
maternal danger in which a c-section is
for some reason out of the
question.
I dont think it should be an excuse I dont
agree on it but that is for myself, when I
was pregnant at like 6 months I really
enjoyed it, mind you I made the choice and
dont hold it against others.
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Posted: 05-29-08 09:44am
NeutralUsername
wrote:
But you told someone to "watch the
language" just because they didn't use
certain words the way YOU think they
SHOULD be used (no matter that they
actually used them correctly according to
the dictionary!) Who are you to tell
someone what language to use when it is
used correctly? You need to practice what
you preach,
man!
Dude,
there is a difference between noting the
meaning of words, inflection, and intent
versus blatantly telling someone what to
post. Using mysogynistic language is
notable and I will call it to the poster's
attention as is my wont.
That was in a robot voice as well.
Besides, cmyked accused me of not
responding to the OP which I did. You
sure you want to jump on the bandwagon w/
cmyked?
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Posted: 05-29-08 10:26am
Birch
wrote:
Besides, cmyked accused me of not
responding to the OP which I did. You
sure you want to jump on the bandwagon w/
cmyked?
Cmyked did accuse birch of going off
topic!!! I have never seen you go all out
on someone god that would be interesting.
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Posted: 05-29-08 12:11pm
Birch
wrote:
NeutralUsername
wrote:
But you told someone to "watch the
language" just because they didn't use
certain words the way YOU think they
SHOULD be used (no matter that they
actually used them correctly according to
the dictionary!) Who are you to tell
someone what language to use when it is
used correctly? You need to practice what
you preach,
man!
Dude,
there is a difference between noting the
meaning of words, inflection, and intent
versus blatantly telling someone what to
post. Using mysogynistic language is
notable and I will call it to the poster's
attention as is my wont.
That was in a robot voice as well.
Besides, cmyked accused me of not
responding to the OP which I did. You
sure you want to jump on the bandwagon w/
cmyked?
It is only YOUR opinion that those words
were mysogynistic. That is where you don't
understand. You were telling someone what
words they SHOULDN'T be using only because
you don't like how they can be used. How
often do you point out to someone that it
can be disrespectful to use the words
oriental (when referring to an asian
person), midget (when referring to a
person with dwarfism), retard (when
referring to someone with a mental
disability) and other "politically
incorrect" words?
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Posted: 05-29-08 13:55pm
NeutralUsername
wrote:
It is only YOUR opinion that those words
were mysogynistic. That is where you don't
understand. You were telling someone what
words they SHOULDN'T be using only because
you don't like how they can be
used.
Quote me on that.
Good luck.
NeutralUsername
wrote:
How often do you point out
to someone that it can be disrespectful to
use the words oriental (when referring to
an asian person), midget (when referring
to a person with dwarfism), retard (when
referring to someone with a mental
disability) and other "politically
incorrect"
words?
I don't know if you are being facitious or
not, but every single time I hear it.
It's part of what I do for a living,
actually.
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Posted: 05-29-08 14:43pm
Um.........the above
is.....interesting.... hehe
My reasons for being Prolife are simply
because:
*It is against my religious beliefs. In
the bible, it says that God hates the
shedding of innocent blood.
*I believe that you can't be pro choice
without taking choices from other people.
*My doctors and my father wanted me to be
aborted and my father actually tried to by
beating the crap out of my mother.
*I can't have kids of my own.
*My mom was pretty much on her deathbed
when she was having both my younger sister
(12) and my brother(9), and she told the
doctors to save them instead of her if
that time came where that choice had to be
made. Fortunately, she is still here,
letting me gray her hair. : )
*I am also abstinent.
And many other things to back my views.
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Posted: 05-29-08 15:00pm
saria231
wrote:
Um.........the above
is.....interesting.... hehe
My reasons for being Prolife are simply
because:
*It is against my religious beliefs. In
the bible, it says that God hates the
shedding of innocent blood.
*I believe that you can't be pro choice
without taking choices from other people.
.
Everything in life that you do is a choice
whether you like it or not so if you make
choice and not someone else for you than
you are actually pro-choice. If for some
reason you like other people telling you
how to live your daily life than thats
your thing but choice affects as a whole
and is not just in regards to abortion.
Innoncent, how do you know they are
innoncent?
Second off there is a part in the bible
that states abortion is okay in certain
circumstances and that no sin is greater
than another.
In the case of adultery the mother is to
be poisened lightly enough that it makes
her sick and that she looses child.
Phrased along those lines.
If you judge the person who had an
abortion you are no better than them.
God is the being who is truly pure, there
is no good christians only bad ones.
Religion is decided by white and black,
purity and evil, if you had a whole
civilaztion of purity you wouldnt have
balance.
There is also another part noted in the
bible that a fetus is held inferior to the
mother.
If the woman (pregnant or not_) should
ever be harmed by another human being the
husband can demand anything from the other
being in court. If the woman is killed
than the husband can take eye for an eye,
limb for a limb etc
The religion is misinterpreted too much
not a bad religion but to many people read
it for face value it should only be a
guideline.
if you call her a murdered, you become a
murderer as you committed the same sin and
none is greater than another.
