Pro-lifers

Darkmoon"]





"No, I don't "know that". Declining to allow someone else the use of your blood is fundamentally no different from a woman declining to allow a fetus the use of her blood, organs, digestive system and tissue, except that donating blood only takes a few moments and is harmless to you while incubation takes nine months and can permanently damage or kill a woman."


It is vastly different. Being pregant and donating blood to those who need it are in no way the same thing. Donating blood helps save lives, abortion takes lives.

"You simply view women as subhuman and not worthy of the bodily rights that even dead people have over their own organs."

No, I view you as subhuman and evil. In pregancy, nobody is forcefully violating anyones rights. They created the pregnancy.

"You're threats of violence against prochoicers have been reported, by the way."


I have threatened nobody here.


"Go back to that terrorist site you came from, where woman killers and rapists belong. PLA is the only place disturbed people like yourself belong."

LOL I want to save life, and you call ME a terorist?! Your view of morality is disgustingly warped.

Darkmoon



"It must be nice to live on such a lofty pedestal, where laws that target ONLY female rights will never touch or harm you. Just admit the truth. You want to control women's lives."


Neat62 IS a female. The pro life organizations are filled with free and independant women. Because, unlike you, it is not about the women. It is about saving life.

"AyaMiyaki"]



"I support the woman's right to choose for herself. That's it. Whatever else happens is none of my business. I don't know these women. I don't know their situation. I'm not going to presume to know better for them than they do. I've already said that if there was a way to remove the z/e/f without killing it, I'd be all for it."

Pro choice IS pro abortion.


"Yes, I said a woman shouldn't have to suffer through a pregnancy unless she wants to. Where does that say that I think unborn babies deserve death?"


Because you support the choice. The choice to kill the baby or not.



"First of all, I'd like to see your non-biased source that states 1% of abortions are caused by rape. Do you have one?"

Well it may be biased. Biased in pro choice favor. It is from the Alan Guttmacher Institute:

http://www.johnstonsarchive.net/policy/ab ortion/abreasons.html#2

"And rape is an ASSAULT, by the way. It's one of the worst things that can happen to a woman. The mental and emotional trauma can affect her for the rest of her life. Add onto that the discomforts and potential dangers of pregnancy, and what are you doing? You're potentially traumatizing a victim over and over again. Every wave of nausea, every painful kick to the ribs... it's a reminder of HOW that child got in there, what happened to her, how her body is not under her own control. Who are you to inflict that on her?"

I am on another pro life site and one of the women there has a son from a product of rape. There are many others too. But it is not all about me, me, me.


"Go live in a cave then. This is the modern world, sir."

Well, we are moving back that way.



"NFP is a joke. It takes all the spontaneity out of love-making, limits when you can have sex, forces you to basically live with a thermometer in your mouth, and... oh yeah... IT DOESN'T ALWAYS WORK. And if it fails and you become pregnant? Oh well, it's another little blessing!"

It would be a blessing. It is not a blessing if you have it killed.




"No, you said something to the affect of "you pro-choicers are lucky the law is on your side", which insinuates you wish you could step over that line and do something. Why do you hold such hostility toward people you don't even know, to the point of wanting to hurt them? You should seek help."

Yeah, that is exactly what I said. It was not a threat. Wishing something and actually doing or planning something, are totally different. I am angry because abortion is homicide and the pro choicers support homicide. Yeah, I'm hostile. I should seek help? I am not the one killing lives.

diamondsz



"What do you call oral sex then?"

Let's stay focused here. Oral sex fits nowhere into the abortion topic.

"So you want to commit an ILLEGAL crime for something that is morally wrong to you, that is retarded."

No, I do not want to commit a crime. And just because it is law, does not make it moral, or immoral.

"Just because I drive a car doesnt mean I am a safe driver but should I have the right to drive?"

And you kill someone while driving, you may lose your license. There are consequence to things.

"Actually biology lesson 101 SEX IS ALSO recreational not just pro-recreational where did you get that from........I learned that in highschool 8 years ago! Orgasm doesnt mean you are pregnant "

Times changed. The point to sex is procreation, not something to do on Saturday night. Recreation was not a "big thing" thoughout history.


"If ignorance being naieve, blind or stupid then I guess the ones who are open-minded just aren't as smart as you right. "

LOL you ought to know.

aochriss


"In that same amount of time, over 1 billion lives were lost through miscarriage and failure of the fertilized egg to implant, and
511 million born children under 5 years old died from starvation, dehydration and neglect"

Were they all murdered by a selfish person?

through out history, procreation was necessary because there weren't many people in the world. Now that the Earth is basically ripping at the seams because it's so stuffed, any form of population control is necessary. Times change. Theres plenty of people out there starving because we don't have enough land to make food for everyone. Now who's the ones suffering? I'd rather kill my 'potential' offspring before they are even born, than watch them starve to death in my arms.

diamondsz"]

"No there is a difference between supporting and telling people to get an abortion read the definitions."

That is not what she said. She said that if you are pro choice, which IS pro abortion, then she is supporting the deaths of millions. This is factually true. The right to choose. The right to chose what? To chose abortion.

Pro-choice does NOT mean pro-abortion. I personally am disgusted at how abortion works, and if a woman wants to go through that, it's her CHOICE. Not mine, not yours, HER choice to do what SHE wants. It's that simple.

AyaMiyaki"]



"There is a such thing as pro-abortion. However, I am not pro-abortion. I don't like abortion, nor would I get one myself. But I will not stand in the way of someone else choosing abortion. It is YOUR OPINION that pro-choice = pro-abortion. Pro-choice can also mean pro-pregnancy, pro-parenting, pro-adoption... but you don't want to hear that. It's okay, go live in your little bubble and tell yourself what you want to hear."

You will not stand in the way of someone else choosing an abortion. That is supporting abortion.

[quote]"Yes, I said a woman shouldn't have to suffer through a pregnancy unless she wants to. Where does that say that I think unborn babies deserve death?"




"The choice to end the pregnancy, yes. The death of the unborn is an unfortunate side effect that I wish could be avoided. Maybe one day science will advance to that level. I think it'd be a great day."

But until then, you support women killing a life. We see it as more than just a "side effect". It is taking a life, which we hold in high regard. You, apparently, do not, or you would not support choice, which is, as you said, half abortion.


"Fair enough. Thank you."

You are welcome.


" A victim needs to be able to choose for herself what she wants to do, and whether she is able to deal with a rape-induced pregnancy."

That is how I feel about a baby. Woman have all the "choice", men and babies have none.



"Indeed we are, when certain posters here feel the need to call women down for daring to enjoy sex, telling them to keep their legs closed except when their husband wants some feel-good time, and to stay at home and feel GRATEFUL to be surrounded by kids and have another on the way while the man is out working. I thought the 1950's were over? "

I know that poster, and that is not what she is about. She NEVER said that women shouldn;t enjoy sex. Just that unlimited, promiscuous sex can be a bad thing. We see far too much of it today. And it has had some bad consequences.


"You're not understanding me. To be unbothered by another pregnancy is defeating the purpose of using a birth control method! Why would you advocate a birth control method that can fail and then tell the woman "Oh well, just be happy"? That makes no sense. "

All birth control fails. Condoms fails, the pill fails, NFP, etc. I am saying that if it does, it should be accepted.


"You should seek help for your hostility towards people you don't even know. Wishing you could harm people that you disagree with is NOT healthy or normal. You don't even know me, yet you wish the laws were different so you could come and do whatever. That disturbs me. You need get counseling for your strong emotions so you can put things into perspective. Wishing harm on others is not normal. I disagree very strongly with Antrise and yet I do not wish him harm. Some pro-life people have very strange ways of showing their "compassion" for "life"."

Well, knowing you is not the issue. It is the ideology, as most wars are about. And nothing was directed at you, personally, but the ideology. I have things in perfect perspective, from my perspective, lol. It is either life or death. Any other reason in the US is selfish and self centered. Their is a bill that will be signed if Obama is elected President, the Freedom of Choice Act. It will basically tell all states, cities, or towns, that they can never ever pass legislation that will ban abortion. That essentially ends the pro life movement, from a legal perspective. We can never again pass any kind of law prohibiting any kind of abortion.

So where does that leave us? It puts our backs against the wall. That bill was written and sponsored by pro choicers. Not pro abortions, but pro choicers. Yet it is the most domineering bill supporting abortion ever created. Not supporting choice, mind you, but supporting abortion. If we want to end abortion and support life, where does that leave us? It leaves us no other option. And I do not advocate harm, just a different tactic. A louder, more angry one. A more "in your face" tactic, just like the pro choice crowd does.

This is a war. A war in which we, at th every least, would be happy with some sort of restriction on abortion. Minors, parental consent, quantity of abortions, late term, etc. But they will not even meet us in the middle. So again, where does that leave us?

I have not threatend you or anyone, here or any other place. I do not wish physical harm on ANYONE. I am enraged, but I AM NOT a bloody murderous fanatic.

diamondsz



"Actually cited through history woman were treated like whores and if they did enjoy sex even while married they became dirty or they were called whores. Sex for men was recreational it always has been, even in Victorian times when men were encouraged to sleep with different woman and to hit their wives. Throughout history men were told sex is recreational, they had mistresses, such as King IV and just about every other kind, their wives were brought up as prudes and made to feel bad,dirty or gross should they show pleasure.

TIMES HAVE CHANGED

Now woman are having sex for fun (even if they are married)they never were baby making factories, they were given a gift to feel, to have emotions when they were born.

Now that woman can say what they want and now they can truly voice their opinion maybe with a little criticize from people like you, they are realizing they have just as much freedom as men , which is why they fight!

Read up on history it is quite interesting, in the old testament/new testament, there is many mentions of abortions being performed way before the birth of christ, some were even allowed in front of gods eyes. The egyptian also performed abortion and they were an advanced civilization and abortion has been performed since the beginning of BC, although was done differently then (poison, violence, death of a woman, hangers, etc) and now we get it safe."





Like all the feminists lies, they try to pull off this notion that ALL men and ALL women fit into these molds, and that is not true at all. Did it happen? Sure. Does it happen today? You bet. Will it always happen? Yep. And abortionis the engine, the sacrifice, for the feminist movement.


"in the old testament/new testament, there is many mentions of abortions being performed way before the birth of christ, some were even allowed in front of gods eyes. "


LOL show me.

I have the choice to inform people of the FACTS and let them CHOOSE what THEY want to do.

If you are taken to jail, your right to choose to walk out the front door has been taken away.

Pro-lifers are brainwashing people. Pro-choicers state the facts. Simple as that.