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Posted: 06-16-08 15:39pm
leftistdestroyer
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Snug
wrote:
leftistdestroyer
wrote:
Babies can effect lot's of people in a
very positive way, emotionally, for
example. Where killing is always
negative.
No way, Jose. I've never had need of an
abortion, but if I became pregnant, I'd
have one faster than you could say
"RU-486." And I sure as hell wouldn't
feel negative about it.
Having a baby, on the other hand, would be
the equivalent of an IRS audit, a root
canal, losing my job, and a car accident,
all happening in one
day.
Do you have any
babies?
Nope. And I don't want any. There are no
words to describe my complete and utter
revulsion at the thought of pregnancy and
childbirth.
Not to mention, the sproggies get on my
nerves, so I'm not parent material.
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reply... Posted: 06-16-08 16:15pm
Quote:
"in the old
testament/new testament, there is many
mentions of abortions being performed way
before the birth of christ, some were even
allowed in front of gods eyes. "
Abortions have ALWAYS been against God's
law. NO WHERE in the bible is there a
mention of God openly accepting the
homicide of innocent babies BY HUMAN
beings as a "normal" practice.
For a mother to homicide her own is an
absolute intrinsic evil!
A woman's womb is supposed to be the
safest place in this world for an
individual to be...due to abortion
however, today there is no such place and
we wonder why we have people like the 27
year old man who stomped and kicked his 2
year old child to death this weekend???
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neat62
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reply... Posted: 06-16-08 16:28pm
Quote:
Pro-lifers are
brainwashing people. Pro-choicers state
the facts. Simple as that.
Uh huh...sure pro-abortionists tell women
they are too stupid, naive and ignorant to
know what causes pregnancy...and then they
tell them that murdering their own is the
best "choice" they can make to ensure they
continue to live a SELF-Centered life,
filled with misery and anger.
Pro-abortionists deny the FACT that women
go on to have hideous memories of
murdering their own
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Posted: 06-16-08 16:47pm
yes, there are some woman that have a
horrible abortion experience. But there
are also many woman who have a positive
one. Especially ones that became pregnant
due to rape, happy they got that 'thing'
out of them.
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Re: reply... Posted: 06-16-08 16:56pm
neat62
wrote:
Uh huh...sure pro-abortionists tell women
they are too stupid, naive and ignorant to
know what causes pregnancy...and then they
tell them that murdering their own is the
best "choice" they can make to ensure they
continue to live a SELF-Centered life,
filled with misery and anger.
Pro-abortionists deny the FACT that women
go on to have hideous memories of
murdering their
own
Hope you don't mind me jumping in here. I
have had an abortion, and I am not angry,
or miserable, or self-centered. And this
FACT you speak of is simply not true for
all woman who have abortions. I do not
have any horrible memories. In FACT, I
felt nothing but happiness and relief when
it was over. Yes, some woman do regret
their abortions, but many do not.
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Re: reply... Posted: 06-16-08 17:31pm
neat62
wrote:
Quote:
"in the old
testament/new testament, there is many
mentions of abortions being performed way
before the birth of christ, some were even
allowed in front of gods eyes. "
Abortions have ALWAYS been against God's
law. NO WHERE in the bible is there a
mention of God openly accepting the
homicide of innocent babies BY HUMAN
beings as a "normal" practice.
For a mother to homicide her own is an
absolute intrinsic evil!
A woman's womb is supposed to be the
safest place in this world for an
individual to be...due to abortion
however, today there is no such place and
we wonder why we have people like the 27
year old man who stomped and kicked his 2
year old child to death this
weekend???
In the bible if a woman commits adultery
and becomes pregnant, she is to drink
poison, enough poison to make sick without
killing her.
In the bible it also refers to how a fetus
has less meaning that a mother but how a
mother has less meaning than a man, in
regards to the baby having less meaning
than a mother read Exodus 21:22 I believe
to 28
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Re: reply... Posted: 06-16-08 17:37pm
neat62
wrote:
Quote:
Pro-lifers are
brainwashing people. Pro-choicers state
the facts. Simple as that.
Uh huh...sure pro-abortionists tell women
they are too stupid, naive and ignorant to
know what causes pregnancy...and then they
tell them that murdering their own is the
best "choice" they can make to ensure they
continue to live a SELF-Centered life,
filled with misery and anger.
Pro-abortionists deny the FACT that women
go on to have hideous memories of
murdering their
own
I'm sorry where are you getting your facts
from
Pro-choice means to support or accept
anothers belief even if you are personally
pro-life or pro-choice. When you walk
into planned parenthood THEY DO NOT in
anyway shape or form coerce a woman into
abortion.
IF any organization coerced any woman into
any decision, they could be held for
contempt in a court of law, by then they
would loose their government funding, so
they have to stay NEUTRAL....
By the way after my Abortion I felt
amazing, funny I was married and had two
kids, but thanks for telling me that I
felt awful I didnt, only because people
like you tried to shove their opinions
down my throat. My sister just had an
abortion and she was just like you
ANTI-Abortion, she finally realized that
sometimes you have to change and anyways
shes feels great as well, no regrets
whatsoever.
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neat62
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reply... Posted: 06-16-08 19:23pm
Quote:
Hope you don't
mind me jumping in here. I have had an
abortion, and I am not angry, or
miserable, or self-centered. And this FACT
you speak of is simply not true for all
woman who have abortions. I do not have
any horrible memories. In FACT, I felt
nothing but happiness and relief when it
was over. Yes, some woman do regret their
abortions, but many do not.
I don't mind you jumping in at all.
However, I would like to hear you say the
same thing in another 20-30 years...when
it hits you what you have done...as you
find yourself approaching your own death
and you have to come to the realization
that you purposely took the life of YOUR
OWN child.
I pray you will be able to reconcile that
with your own conscience and that you are
able to amend your actions with God.
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neat62
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reply... Posted: 06-16-08 19:26pm
[quote]yes, there are some woman that have
a horrible abortion experience. But there
are also many woman who have a positive
one. Especially ones that became pregnant
due to rape, happy they got that 'thing'
out of them.
First off, rape is responsible for less
than 1% of all abortions...so that's a
false argument.
Secondly....I know that site and the women
on it are nothing short of evil...they are
disgraceful and their attitudes towards
children are just completely disgusting.
Finally, I would like to hear these same
women...as they find themselves
approaching death...tell me they are not
"sorry" for what they did...when the
realization of their OWN immorality
finally hits them...they will indeed be
sorry and terrified of the consequences
they will face by our maker!
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Re: reply... Posted: 06-16-08 19:36pm
neat62
wrote:
I don't mind you jumping in at all.
However, I would like to hear you say the
same thing in another 20-30 years...when
it hits you what you have done...as you
find yourself approaching your own death
and you have to come to the realization
that you purposely took the life of YOUR
OWN child.
I pray you will be able to reconcile that
with your own conscience and that you are
able to amend your actions with
God.
I'm sure I will feel the same way in 20,
30, or even 50 years. I have never wanted
children, and will always be thankful that
I had the choice and freedom to choose
abortion.
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neat62
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reply... Posted: 06-16-08 19:42pm
Quote:
"in the old
testament/new testament, there is many
mentions of abortions being performed way
before the birth of christ, some were even
allowed in front of gods eyes. "
Abortions have ALWAYS been against God's
law. NO WHERE in the bible is there a
mention of God openly accepting the
homicide of innocent babies BY HUMAN
beings as a "normal" practice.
For a mother to homicide her own is an
absolute intrinsic evil!
A woman's womb is supposed to be the
safest place in this world for an
individual to be...due to abortion
however, today there is no such place and
we wonder why we have people like the 27
year old man who stomped and kicked his 2
year old child to death this
weekend???[/quote]
In the bible if a woman commits adultery
and becomes pregnant, she is to drink
poison, enough poison to make sick without
killing her.
In the bible it also refers to how a fetus
has less meaning that a mother but how a
mother has less meaning than a man, in
regards to the baby having less meaning
than a mother read Exodus 21:22 I believe
to 28[/quote]
Not sure what bible you are reading...but
typically you are mis-informed, completely
uneducated and pick and choose to attempt
to suit your argument...FYI -its not
working to well for ya!
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leftistdestroyer
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Posted: 06-16-08 21:15pm
diamondsz
"I HAVE KIDS and shes right thats exactly
what it FEELS LIKE"
So you agree with her, that because it
feels like that that abortion should be
justified. Because that is what she said.
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leftistdestroyer
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Posted: 06-16-08 21:28pm
Lilly Ivy
"Pro-choice does NOT mean pro-abortion. I
personally am disgusted at how abortion
works, and if a woman wants to go through
that, it's her CHOICE. Not mine, not
yours, HER choice to do what SHE wants.
It's that simple."
Of course it is. Look at what you just
said here:
"I personally am disgusted at how abortion
works, and if a woman wants to go through
that, it's her CHOICE."
You automatically equated Choice, with
abortion. That is exactly how they want
it to be seen.
If one decides to have their baby, their
is no controversy. But if she decides to
end that life, it becomes controversial.
So deciding to have the baby, nullifies
the pro life "choice" and leaves you with
the pro abortion "choice".
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Re: reply... Posted: 06-16-08 21:41pm
neat62
wrote:
Quote:
Hope you don't
mind me jumping in here. I have had an
abortion, and I am not angry, or
miserable, or self-centered. And this FACT
you speak of is simply not true for all
woman who have abortions. I do not have
any horrible memories. In FACT, I felt
nothing but happiness and relief when it
was over. Yes, some woman do regret their
abortions, but many do not.
I don't mind you jumping in at all.
However, I would like to hear you say the
same thing in another 20-30 years...when
it hits you what you have done...as you
find yourself approaching your own death
and you have to come to the realization
that you purposely took the life of YOUR
OWN child.
I pray you will be able to reconcile that
with your own conscience and that you are
able to amend your actions with
God.
That is onl;y the Christian god and not my
god unfortunately....................
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Re: reply... Posted: 06-16-08 21:44pm
[quote="neat62"]
Quote:
yes, there are
some woman that have a horrible abortion
experience. But there are also many woman
who have a positive one. Especially ones
that became pregnant due to rape, happy
they got that 'thing' out of them.
First off, rape is responsible for less
than 1% of all abortions...so that's a
false argument.
Secondly....I know that site and the women
on it are nothing short of evil...they are
disgraceful and their attitudes towards
children are just completely disgusting.
Finally, I would like to hear these same
women...as they find themselves
approaching death...tell me they are not
"sorry" for what they did...when the
realization of their OWN immorality
finally hits them...they will indeed be
sorry and terrified of the consequences
they will face by our
maker!
Actually rape or sexual assualt makes up
for a big part of it, females are coerced
into having sex against their will, or
coerced into fetishes they dont approve
of. that is the coalition against
conjugal violence. I was abused by my
boyfriend sexually and I thought it was
okay now please tell that isn't sick,
funny how a 16 year old will do anything
to please but then forgets her own
sexually gratification or how to love
herself.
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Re: reply... Posted: 06-16-08 21:54pm
neat62
wrote:
Quote:
"in the old
testament/new testament, there is many
mentions of abortions being performed way
before the birth of christ, some were even
allowed in front of gods eyes. "
Abortions have ALWAYS been against God's
law. NO WHERE in the bible is there a
mention of God openly accepting the
homicide of innocent babies BY HUMAN
beings as a "normal" practice.
For a mother to homicide her own is an
absolute intrinsic evil!
A woman's womb is supposed to be the
safest place in this world for an
individual to be...due to abortion
however, today there is no such place and
we wonder why we have people like the 27
year old man who stomped and kicked his 2
year old child to death this
weekend???
In the bible if a woman commits adultery
and becomes pregnant, she is to drink
poison, enough poison to make sick without
killing her.
In the bible it also refers to how a fetus
has less meaning that a mother but how a
mother has less meaning than a man, in
regards to the baby having less meaning
than a mother read Exodus 21:22 I believe
to 28[/quote]
Not sure what bible you are reading...but
typically you are mis-informed, completely
uneducated and pick and choose to attempt
to suit your argument...FYI -its not
working to well for ya![/quote]Here let me
quote the bible for you
Have you ever read the bibles of mary
Magdalene or Judas, when you can tell me
you have then you understand
Christianity.
Exodus 21
22
"When men have a fight and hurt a
pregnant woman, so that she suffers a
miscarriage, but no further injury, the
guilty one shall be fined as much as the
woman's husband demands of him, and he
shall pay in the presence of the judges.
23
4 But if injury ensues, you shall give
life for life,
24
eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for
hand, foot for foot,
25
burn for burn, wound for wound, stripe
for stripe.
Basically what it entail from a philosophy
and religious stand point is that if the
woman suffers a miscarriage the man can
charge the other in court but if THE WOMAN
IS KILLED he can KILL the other man
The mother value has besotted that of the
pregnancy...............
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Posted: 06-16-08 23:12pm
Lilly Ivy
wrote:
I have the choice to inform
people of the FACTS and let them CHOOSE
what THEY want to do.
If you are taken to jail, your right to
choose to walk out the front door has been
taken away.
Pro-lifers are brainwashing people.
Pro-choicers state the facts. Simple as
that.
only the ability to walk out
the door or the action of walking out the
door has been controlled. not the choice
to walk the out the door. you me or anyone
else can always choose to walk out the
door because a choice or freedom of choice
is an inherent abilty that cannot be
controlled by external forces. a right is
something that everyone needs such as food
and shelter. the purpose of rights is to
help insure that the things people need to
live a morally upright life cannot be
denied them. there is no such thing as a
right to choose because it is impossible
to prevent anyone from choosing anything.
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Posted: 06-17-08 05:53am
leftistdestroyer
wrote:
diamondsz
"I HAVE KIDS and shes right thats exactly
what it FEELS LIKE"
So you agree with her, that because it
feels like that that abortion should be
justified. Because that is what she
said.
Yes because she is entitled to express her
feeling for what she feels like, you dont
have to like
kids..........................
forcing someone to think a certain way
mean you are trying to control them,
enslave them both of which are wrong both
of which can be held in contempt, if they
were pursued you could go to jail, well in
Canada anyways.
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Posted: 06-17-08 05:59am
antrise
wrote:
Lilly Ivy
wrote:
I have the choice to inform
people of the FACTS and let them CHOOSE
what THEY want to do.
If you are taken to jail, your right to
choose to walk out the front door has been
taken away.
Pro-lifers are brainwashing people.
Pro-choicers state the facts. Simple as
that.
only the ability to walk out
the door or the action of walking out the
door has been controlled. not the choice
to walk the out the door. you me or anyone
else can always choose to walk out the
door because a choice or freedom of choice
is an inherent abilty that cannot be
controlled by external forces. a right is
something that everyone needs such as food
and shelter. the purpose of rights is to
help insure that the things people need to
live a morally upright life cannot be
denied them. there is no such thing as a
right to choose because it is impossible
to prevent anyone from choosing
anything.
Tom peters
"Perception is all there is as there is no
reality."
A great point is here, everything is based
on perception/beliefs, how one feels
regarding something, we as a whole make up
society and the majority is what decided
or tries to tell us what to think as well
as media.
You have the choice to do anything, you
can choose to break the law, although if
you get caught you can be fined, end up on
probation, community work or even jail
time.
In order to distinguish our personalities
we all cant act like a flock of sheep
therefore you learn how to evolve you
thought, your conscious, therefore how we
evolve and the hows of evolution, the odd
balls who went past and thought outside
the box.
Anyone can make the choice to hold on to
their views and alot people are afraid of
change ex;
You have always bought chevy, now Ford is
offering a 5 star economy car(good on gas)
for cheaper but you still buy Chevy. Or
as I remember the other older generation
reciting "they don't make washers like
they use too.
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Re: reply... Posted: 06-17-08 08:48am
neat62
wrote:
Snug
wrote:
Nope. And I don't want any.
There are no words to describe my complete
and utter revulsion at the thought of
pregnancy and childbirth.
Not to mention, the sproggies get on my
nerves, so I'm not parent material.
This is disgusting and I hope and pray you
don't ever have a child...cause you don't
deserve the blessing and gift of such!
I am also certain true happiness and joy
will not ever find you...because you are
obviously a very self-centered individual
with little to no feelings for anyone
else....typical lib
though!
Why is it so hard for you anti-abortion
folks to grasp that to some people,
children are not a "blessing" or a "gift"
or the best thing since stuffed crust
pizza? There are those who just don't dig
kids. It doesn't make us bad, just
different than you.
Oh, but we can't have people being
different and thinking for themselves, can
we? That would certainly upset your
little theocratic apple cart.
And if by "lib," you mean liberal, I'm
not. I'm a Libertarian. I believe in
small government that's fiscally
conservative, and said government staying
the hell out of my personal affairs,
including what I do with my own private
uterus.
