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Posted: 06-13-08 14:59pm
antrise
wrote:
AyaMiyaki
wrote:
So you believe others
shouldn't be legally allowed to have safe
abortions performed by doctors because YOU
can't have children? What do you have to
do with them? Do you even know these
women?
What does your abstinance have to do with
other women getting abortions?
Your mother sounds like a brave woman.
Your mother had a choice, and she made the
choice to protect you. Other women might
decide that the best choice for THEIR
unplanned pregnancy by an abuser is to
abort. Whether you agree with that choice,
or whether she is willing or able to do
what your mother did, is irrelevant. Your
mother was free to choose, and so should
every other
woman.
a choice is an inherent
ability that cannot be controlled by
external forces. the term "pro-choice" is
a meaningless expression used to brainwash
the masses to accept something that is
morally wrong. that being pro-abortion.
the notion that legalized abortion is
moral because a minute fraction of the
millions of lives lost resulted from
incest or rape is absurd. are you
defending the jewish holocaust because the
jews are less important the the nazis. are
you defending the chinese holocaust
because the chinese are less important
than the japanese. are you defending the
abortion holocaust because children are
inferior to their mothers. every single
person that is alive on this planet earth
is here because their mother did not have
an abortion. therefor only a hateful
hypocrite is capable of supporting
abortion.
Eh, both terms pro-choice and pro-life are
words created to make each side look good.
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antrise
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Joined: 28 May 2008 Posts: 123
Posted: 06-13-08 16:02pm
NeutralUsername
wrote:
antrise
wrote:
AyaMiyaki
wrote:
So you believe others
shouldn't be legally allowed to have safe
abortions performed by doctors because YOU
can't have children? What do you have to
do with them? Do you even know these
women?
What does your abstinance have to do with
other women getting abortions?
Your mother sounds like a brave woman.
Your mother had a choice, and she made the
choice to protect you. Other women might
decide that the best choice for THEIR
unplanned pregnancy by an abuser is to
abort. Whether you agree with that choice,
or whether she is willing or able to do
what your mother did, is irrelevant. Your
mother was free to choose, and so should
every other
woman.
a choice is an inherent
ability that cannot be controlled by
external forces. the term "pro-choice" is
a meaningless expression used to brainwash
the masses to accept something that is
morally wrong. that being pro-abortion.
the notion that legalized abortion is
moral because a minute fraction of the
millions of lives lost resulted from
incest or rape is absurd. are you
defending the jewish holocaust because the
jews are less important the the nazis. are
you defending the chinese holocaust
because the chinese are less important
than the japanese. are you defending the
abortion holocaust because children are
inferior to their mothers. every single
person that is alive on this planet earth
is here because their mother did not have
an abortion. therefor only a hateful
hypocrite is capable of supporting
abortion.
Eh, both terms pro-choice and pro-life are
words created to make each side look
good.
except that the expression pro-life
isn't the meaninglish jibberish that the
expression pro-choice is. pro-life at
least is a valid term. "I'm the Lorax who
speaks for the trees which you seem to be
chopping as fast as you please." "I speak
for the trees, for the trees have no
tongues.'
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NeutralUsername
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Posted: 06-13-08 16:25pm
antrise
wrote:
NeutralUsername
wrote:
antrise
wrote:
AyaMiyaki
wrote:
So you believe others
shouldn't be legally allowed to have safe
abortions performed by doctors because YOU
can't have children? What do you have to
do with them? Do you even know these
women?
What does your abstinance have to do with
other women getting abortions?
Your mother sounds like a brave woman.
Your mother had a choice, and she made the
choice to protect you. Other women might
decide that the best choice for THEIR
unplanned pregnancy by an abuser is to
abort. Whether you agree with that choice,
or whether she is willing or able to do
what your mother did, is irrelevant. Your
mother was free to choose, and so should
every other
woman.
a choice is an inherent
ability that cannot be controlled by
external forces. the term "pro-choice" is
a meaningless expression used to brainwash
the masses to accept something that is
morally wrong. that being pro-abortion.
the notion that legalized abortion is
moral because a minute fraction of the
millions of lives lost resulted from
incest or rape is absurd. are you
defending the jewish holocaust because the
jews are less important the the nazis. are
you defending the chinese holocaust
because the chinese are less important
than the japanese. are you defending the
abortion holocaust because children are
inferior to their mothers. every single
person that is alive on this planet earth
is here because their mother did not have
an abortion. therefor only a hateful
hypocrite is capable of supporting
abortion.
Eh, both terms pro-choice and pro-life are
words created to make each side look
good.
except that the expression pro-life
isn't the meaninglish jibberish that the
expression pro-choice is. pro-life at
least is a valid term. "I'm the Lorax who
speaks for the trees which you seem to be
chopping as fast as you please." "I speak
for the trees, for the trees have no
tongues.'
Pro-choice means the choice to abort or
not. Pro-life means the support for the
life of the fetus. When it comes to the
abortion debate that is. But, technically,
pro-choice and pro-life can mean ANYTHING.
What kind of choice? What kind of life?
Neither of these terms are exactly
straight forward.
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Darkmoon
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Posted: 06-13-08 16:37pm
Snug
wrote:
By the by, given how much
you seem to dislike women, have you
considered turning gay or becoming a
hermit?
Laughing
Shhh! Don't give him that idea! Most gay
men genuinely like us women (as friends
and human beings). We don't need haters
joining their ranks and poisoning their
minds against us the way they've poisoned
the minds of straight men!
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Snug
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Posted: 06-13-08 17:38pm
Darkmoon
wrote:
Snug
wrote:
By the by, given how much
you seem to dislike women, have you
considered turning gay or becoming a
hermit?
Shhh! Don't give him that idea! Most gay
men genuinely like us women (as friends
and human beings). We don't need haters
joining their ranks and poisoning their
minds against us the way they've poisoned
the minds of straight
men!
Good point.
Sorry, antrise, gay is off the table.
You'll have to go to the Hermit Home For
He-Man Woman-Haters instead.
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Posted: 06-13-08 18:07pm
antrise
wrote:
except that the expression pro-life isn't
the meaninglish jibberish that the
expression pro-choice is. pro-life at
least is a valid term. "I'm the Lorax who
speaks for the trees which you seem to be
chopping as fast as you please." "I speak
for the trees, for the trees have no
tongues.'
I actually found this post pretty funny!!
Anyways, proabortion rights and
antiabortion rights might be better
labels. Specific and clear.
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antrise
Experienced User , Rather EHEALTHy
Joined: 28 May 2008 Posts: 123
Posted: 06-13-08 19:00pm
Snug
wrote:
Darkmoon
wrote:
Snug
wrote:
By the by, given how much
you seem to dislike women, have you
considered turning gay or becoming a
hermit?
Shhh! Don't give him that idea! Most gay
men genuinely like us women (as friends
and human beings). We don't need haters
joining their ranks and poisoning their
minds against us the way they've poisoned
the minds of straight
men!
Good point.
Sorry, antrise, gay is off the table.
You'll have to go to the Hermit Home For
He-Man Woman-Haters
instead.
my wife is near 50 and
the mother of 4. my mother in law is in
her 80s and the mother of 10. i have to
think about what could have happened if
abortion had been legal when my 16 year
old mother was pregnant with me. and the
thoughts that cross my mind are not very
pleasant.
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Reptar
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Posted: 06-13-08 19:12pm
That doesn't even make sense. According to
your profile, you're 50 or 51. If your
mother is 80, then she had you when she
was 30 years old. Besides, just because
you're glad you weren't aborted doesn't
mean you get to make that decision for any
one else. Yes, most people are happy they
weren't aborted, but there are indeed some
who wish they were. Should all those
people fight for every child to be aborted
because it would of worked out better for
them? Most women don't abort and most who
do have a good reason for choosing to,
whether it'd be that they don't like
children, they're not financially ready,
or for their own health. Just because
you're glad you weren't aborted doesn't
mean you have the right to take that
choice away from another woman.
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diamondsz
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Posted: 06-13-08 22:17pm
antrise
wrote:
Snug
wrote:
Darkmoon
wrote:
Snug
wrote:
By the by, given how much
you seem to dislike women, have you
considered turning gay or becoming a
hermit?
Shhh! Don't give him that idea! Most gay
men genuinely like us women (as friends
and human beings). We don't need haters
joining their ranks and poisoning their
minds against us the way they've poisoned
the minds of straight
men!
Good point.
Sorry, antrise, gay is off the table.
You'll have to go to the Hermit Home For
He-Man Woman-Haters
instead.
my wife is near 50 and
the mother of 4. my mother in law is in
her 80s and the mother of 10. i have to
think about what could have happened if
abortion had been legal when my 16 year
old mother was pregnant with me. and the
thoughts that cross my mind are not very
pleasant.
If she aborted you wouldnt have known, at
the stage in which abortion is done, YOU
CANNOT FEEL NOR THINK, I think its pretty
obvious there is a difference between is
concsious beings and the non-concsious.
Everyone is afraid of death to a certain
degree, it could happen tomorrow but find
something mor epositive to defend, instead
of attacking abortion why try HELPING THE
people who actually need it.
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antrise
Experienced User , Rather EHEALTHy
Joined: 28 May 2008 Posts: 123
Posted: 06-13-08 23:11pm
diamondsz
wrote:
antrise
wrote:
Snug
wrote:
Darkmoon
wrote:
Snug
wrote:
By the by, given how much
you seem to dislike women, have you
considered turning gay or becoming a
hermit?
Shhh! Don't give him that idea! Most gay
men genuinely like us women (as friends
and human beings). We don't need haters
joining their ranks and poisoning their
minds against us the way they've poisoned
the minds of straight
men!
Good point.
Sorry, antrise, gay is off the table.
You'll have to go to the Hermit Home For
He-Man Woman-Haters
instead.
my wife is near 50 and
the mother of 4. my mother in law is in
her 80s and the mother of 10. i have to
think about what could have happened if
abortion had been legal when my 16 year
old mother was pregnant with me. and the
thoughts that cross my mind are not very
pleasant.
If she aborted you wouldnt have known, at
the stage in which abortion is done, YOU
CANNOT FEEL NOR THINK, I think its pretty
obvious there is a difference between is
concsious beings and the non-concsious.
Everyone is afraid of death to a certain
degree, it could happen tomorrow but find
something mor epositive to defend, instead
of attacking abortion why try HELPING THE
people who actually need
it.
if someone were
to commit homicide while i sleep i
wouldn't know about that either. and if
somebody were to commit homicide while i
was awake i wouldn't know that either
because dead people don't know anything.
to influence some naive girl into
believing that abortion is not wrong
because the being inside her womb is not
alive or is not human is committing cold
blooded conspiricy to commit homicide. if
a naive girl obtains an abortion because
she was led to believe that the being
inside her womb is not human or alive that
is cold blooded premeditated homicide. are
there are plenty of responsible people
that see can pro-choicers for exactly what
they are. an evil conniving cold blooded
serial killer.
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oopoopoop
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Posted: 06-14-08 05:03am
antrise
wrote:
my wife is near 50 and the
mother of 4. my mother in law is in her
80s and the mother of 10. i have to think
about what could have happened if abortion
had been legal when my 16 year old mother
was pregnant with me. and the thoughts
that cross my mind are not very
pleasant.
Yanno what? Nothing would have happened.
You wouldn't have existed, and your wife
could have married someone else, and had
other kids, or not. Woopdedoo.
I wonder if a lot of anti choice
obsessives are either so full of
self-loathing that they know that they
SHOULD have been aborted, or so arrogant
to think that their mere existence has
somehow been such a significant
contribution to society and mankind. But
really, if your sperm-donor had gone out
for a walk instead of squirting that day,
you never would have been born either. He
had the choice to ejaculate or not.
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Darkmoon
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Posted: 06-14-08 05:23am
Shhh, don't bring the male part of
responsibility into it...you could ignite
an anti-choice guilt bomb that could
destroy us all!
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Reptar
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Posted: 06-14-08 05:37am
So you're just going to conveniently
forget about your tiny little lie? Nice
one antrise, but I guess that's how you do
things, just don't reply when we have you
cornered.
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antrise
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Joined: 28 May 2008 Posts: 123
Posted: 06-14-08 07:22am
Reptar
wrote:
So you're just going to
conveniently forget about your tiny little
lie? Nice one antrise, but I guess that's
how you do things, just don't reply when
we have you
cornered.
how does your calling my mother
in law my mother make me a liar? is the
the the best pro-death arguement that you
can come up with?
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diamondsz
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Posted: 06-14-08 07:59am
antrise
wrote:
if someone were to
commit homicide while i sleep i wouldn't
know about that either. and if somebody
were to commit homicide while i was awake
i wouldn't know that either because dead
people don't know anything.
.
Actually you would feel pain, until you
died, as a z/e/f though they do not feel
pain their is medical professionals that
say not until mid 20 (wks.) I have been
stabbed I know pain, I walked dow the
wrong road one day and got it in the knee,
I would voluntarily show the scar too if
you would like.
We feel pain, they dont, you dont know
pain till you can think.
* CLAIM: The 12-week fetus experiences
pain.
* FACTS: At this stage of the
pregnancy, the brain and nervous system
are still in a very early stage of
development. The beginnings of the brain
stem, which includes a rudimentary
thalamus and spinal cord, is being formed.
Most brain cells are not developed.
Without a cerebral cortex (gray matter
covering the brain), pain impulses cannot
be received or perceived. Additionally,
experts find that newborns at 26–27
weeks' gestation (24–25 weeks' fetal
age) who survive have significantly less
response to pain than do full term
newborns.
The American College of Obstetricians and
Gynecologists
Statement on Pain of the Fetus
We know of no legitimate scientific
information that supports the statement
that a fetus experiences pain early in
pregnancy.
We do know that the cerebellum attains its
final configuration in the seventh month
and that mylenization (or covering) of the
spinal cord and the brain begins between
the 20th and 40th weeks of pregnancy.
These, as well as other neurological
developments, would have to be in place
for the fetus to receive pain.
To feel pain, a fetus needs
neurotransmitted hormones. In animals,
these complex chemicals develop in the
last third of gestation. We know of no
evidence that humans are different.
Sally Faith Dorfman, MD
Assistant Professor, Albert Einstein
College of Medicine,
Assistant Clinical Professor, Mount Sinai
Hart Peterson, MD
Chief of Pediatric Neurology, New York
Hospital,
Clinical Professor of Neurology in
Pediatrics, Cornell University Medical
Center
William Rashbaum, MD
Assistant Clinical Professor, Albert
Einstein College of Medicine
Seymour L. Romney, MD
Professor, Ob/Gyn, Director, Gynecological
Cancer Research, and former Chairman,
Department of Obstetrics and Gynecology,
Albert Einstein College of Medicine
Allan Rosenfield, MD
Professor, Ob/Gyn and Public Health,
Acting Chairman, Department of Obstetrics
and Gynecology Director, Center for
Population and Family Health, College of
Physicians and Surgeons, Columbia
University
Herbert G. Vaughan, Jr. MD
Professor of Neuroscience, Neurology and
Pediatrics, Director, Rose F. Kennedy
Center for Research in Mental Retardation
and Human Development, Albert Einstein
College of Medicine
Ming-Neng Yeh, MD
Associate Clinical Professor, Dept. of
Ob/Gyn Ultrasound Laboratory, Columbia
Presbyterian Medical Center.
******************************************
******************************************
****************
antrise
wrote:
to influence some naive girl into
believing that abortion is not wrong
because the being inside her womb is not
alive or is not human is committing cold
blooded conspiricy to commit homicide. if
a naive girl obtains an abortion because
she was led to believe that the being
inside her womb is not human or alive that
is cold blooded premeditated homicide.
Well she isnt, when you go to a clinic you
are well informed that it is a Z/e/f is
alive and very much human. They also tell
you, that you can back out at any time,
that if you are feeling pressure not to.
They also make you sign paperwork to make
sure you understand exactly what was said
and what is going to happen, just like any
surgical procedure.
Naieve no, ANTRISE you are blind, open
your eyes.........
Anything can be alive, Yes it is human but
the difference between a Child that is
here and a child that is a potential with
a conscious, not feeling pain, emotions.
By the by, given how much
you seem to dislike women, have you
considered turning gay or becoming a
hermit?
Shhh! Don't give him that idea! Most gay
men genuinely like us women (as friends
and human beings). We don't need haters
joining their ranks and poisoning their
minds against us the way they've poisoned
the minds of straight
men!
Good point.
Sorry, antrise, gay is off the table.
You'll have to go to the Hermit Home For
He-Man Woman-Haters
instead.
my wife is near 50 and
the mother of 4. my mother in law is in
her 80s and the mother of 10. i have to
think about what could have happened if
abortion had been legal when my 16 year
old mother was pregnant with me. and the
thoughts that cross my mind are not very
pleasant.
What a couple of "halfwits".
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Reptar
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Posted: 06-14-08 14:27pm
I don't understand why you'd bring up how
old your mother is and how many children
she has. How is this at all relevant? Is
that the best you can do to back up your
anti-woman stance?
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aochriss
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Posted: 06-15-08 12:40pm
antrise
wrote:
Snug
wrote:
Darkmoon
wrote:
Snug
wrote:
By the by, given how much
you seem to dislike women, have you
considered turning gay or becoming a
hermit?
Shhh! Don't give him that idea! Most gay
men genuinely like us women (as friends
and human beings). We don't need haters
joining their ranks and poisoning their
minds against us the way they've poisoned
the minds of straight
men!
Good point.
Sorry, antrise, gay is off the table.
You'll have to go to the Hermit Home For
He-Man Woman-Haters
instead.
my wife is near 50 and
the mother of 4. my mother in law is in
her 80s and the mother of 10. i have to
think about what could have happened if
abortion had been legal when my 16 year
old mother was pregnant with me. and the
thoughts that cross my mind are not very
pleasant.
Why, were you unwanted? Was your mom
forced to give birth to you against her
will?
And your mother in law, having had 10
kids, is responsible for the deaths of
between 80 and 90 embryos.
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aochriss
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Posted: 06-15-08 13:58pm
antrise
wrote:
if someone were to
commit homicide while i sleep i wouldn't
know about that either. and if somebody
were to commit homicide while i was awake
i wouldn't know that either because dead
people don't know anything. to influence
some naive girl into believing that
abortion is not wrong because the being
inside her womb is not alive or is not
human is committing cold blooded
conspiricy to commit homicide. if a naive
girl obtains an abortion because she was
led to believe that the being inside her
womb is not human or alive that is cold
blooded premeditated homicide. are there
are plenty of responsible people that see
can pro-choicers for exactly what they
are. an evil conniving cold blooded serial
killer.
I see you are in the
women-are-too-stupid-to-decide camp. You
think women don't know what pregnancy
entails?
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antrise
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Joined: 28 May 2008 Posts: 123
Posted: 06-15-08 15:33pm
diamondsz
wrote:
antrise
wrote:
if someone were to
commit homicide while i sleep i wouldn't
know about that either. and if somebody
were to commit homicide while i was awake
i wouldn't know that either because dead
people don't know anything.
.
Actually you would feel pain, until you
died, as a z/e/f though they do not feel
pain their is medical professionals that
say not until mid 20 (wks.) I have been
stabbed I know pain, I walked dow the
wrong road one day and got it in the knee,
I would voluntarily show the scar too if
you would like.
We feel pain, they dont, you dont know
pain till you can think.
* CLAIM: The 12-week fetus experiences
pain.
* FACTS: At this stage of the
pregnancy, the brain and nervous system
are still in a very early stage of
development. The beginnings of the brain
stem, which includes a rudimentary
thalamus and spinal cord, is being formed.
Most brain cells are not developed.
Without a cerebral cortex (gray matter
covering the brain), pain impulses cannot
be received or perceived. Additionally,
experts find that newborns at 26–27
weeks' gestation (24–25 weeks' fetal
age) who survive have significantly less
response to pain than do full term
newborns.
The American College of Obstetricians and
Gynecologists
Statement on Pain of the Fetus
We know of no legitimate scientific
information that supports the statement
that a fetus experiences pain early in
pregnancy.
We do know that the cerebellum attains its
final configuration in the seventh month
and that mylenization (or covering) of the
spinal cord and the brain begins between
the 20th and 40th weeks of pregnancy.
These, as well as other neurological
developments, would have to be in place
for the fetus to receive pain.
To feel pain, a fetus needs
neurotransmitted hormones. In animals,
these complex chemicals develop in the
last third of gestation. We know of no
evidence that humans are different.
Sally Faith Dorfman, MD
Assistant Professor, Albert Einstein
College of Medicine,
Assistant Clinical Professor, Mount Sinai
Hart Peterson, MD
Chief of Pediatric Neurology, New York
Hospital,
Clinical Professor of Neurology in
Pediatrics, Cornell University Medical
Center
William Rashbaum, MD
Assistant Clinical Professor, Albert
Einstein College of Medicine
Seymour L. Romney, MD
Professor, Ob/Gyn, Director, Gynecological
Cancer Research, and former Chairman,
Department of Obstetrics and Gynecology,
Albert Einstein College of Medicine
Allan Rosenfield, MD
Professor, Ob/Gyn and Public Health,
Acting Chairman, Department of Obstetrics
and Gynecology Director, Center for
Population and Family Health, College of
Physicians and Surgeons, Columbia
University
Herbert G. Vaughan, Jr. MD
Professor of Neuroscience, Neurology and
Pediatrics, Director, Rose F. Kennedy
Center for Research in Mental Retardation
and Human Development, Albert Einstein
College of Medicine
Ming-Neng Yeh, MD
Associate Clinical Professor, Dept. of
Ob/Gyn Ultrasound Laboratory, Columbia
Presbyterian Medical Center.
******************************************
******************************************
****************
antrise
wrote:
to influence some naive girl into
believing that abortion is not wrong
because the being inside her womb is not
alive or is not human is committing cold
blooded conspiricy to commit homicide. if
a naive girl obtains an abortion because
she was led to believe that the being
inside her womb is not human or alive that
is cold blooded premeditated homicide.
Well she isnt, when you go to a clinic you
are well informed that it is a Z/e/f is
alive and very much human. They also tell
you, that you can back out at any time,
that if you are feeling pressure not to.
They also make you sign paperwork to make
sure you understand exactly what was said
and what is going to happen, just like any
surgical procedure.
Naieve no, ANTRISE you are blind, open
your eyes.........
Anything can be alive, Yes it is human but
the difference between a Child that is
here and a child that is a potential with
a conscious, not feeling pain,
emotions.
how is calling unborn humans potential
humans not influencing naive uneducated
girls to believe that the unborn are not
human? i don't wear eye protection the
entire time i am building jet aircraft
because i want to be blind. and if you
think i deserve to be blind you need to
take a trip to new york and take a look at
those twin towers.
