I am trying to understand the motives of
the more vocal or physical prolife
protestors at clinic settings.
I have a case study of a gentleman who, in
his words, "yells at women" going into
clinics because it makes him "feel
superior". At further sessions he has
shared more infomation about his
powerless, abusive marriage which was over
two years ago. He has not yet made the
connection, but it made me curious about
the motivations of other prolife
protestors.
We had yodavater on here for a time, and
he is a protestor who takes photographs of
women going into clinics and posts them on
the internet. It seemed in my opinion a
bit extreme, but he never divulged any
reason other than "save the babies" for
doing so.
At the local clinic I drive by every day,
there is always a group of 4-5 older males
(never have I seen a woman) who hand out
leaflets and show posters. I know one of
them as an acquaintance, and he has a
mental illness.
Could protesting be a way to feeling
empowered?
Are there any prolife advocates on this
board who actively protest at abortion
clinics? Could you share your methods
and motivations?
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Snug
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We had yodavater on here for a time, and
he is a protestor who takes photographs of
women going into clinics and posts them on
the internet. It seemed in my opinion a
bit extreme, but he never divulged any
reason other than "save the babies" for
doing so.
Yodavater falls into the "disempowered"
category as well. He has said over at PLA
that a woman he was dating had an abortion
against his wishes back in the 80s.
That leads me to believe that at least in
his case, it is less about "saving the
babies" and more about controlling women.
I am trying to understand
the motives of the more vocal or physical
prolife protestors at clinic settings.
I have a case study of a gentleman who, in
his words, "yells at women" going into
clinics because it makes him "feel
superior". At further sessions he has
shared more infomation about his
powerless, abusive marriage which was over
two years ago. He has not yet made the
connection, but it made me curious about
the motivations of other prolife
protestors.
We had yodavater on here for a time, and
he is a protestor who takes photographs of
women going into clinics and posts them on
the internet. It seemed in my opinion a
bit extreme, but he never divulged any
reason other than "save the babies" for
doing so.
At the local clinic I drive by every day,
there is always a group of 4-5 older males
(never have I seen a woman) who hand out
leaflets and show posters. I know one of
them as an acquaintance, and he has a
mental illness.
Could protesting be a way to feeling
empowered?
Are there any prolife advocates on this
board who actively protest at abortion
clinics? Could you share your methods
and
motivations?
These people want to force their morals
onto the rest of us by making America a
Church state. The men want women barefoot
and pregnant.
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meblonde01
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Posted: 05-22-08 11:43am
I don't Birch, but I would think it is
sort of like some people that protest the
war, some do it low key with class (if you
want to call it that) while others go over
board and in my opinion make fools of
themselves.. They get SO involved they end
up doing extreme things and looking pretty
stupid! Making war over war isn't going to
make peace, and neither are extreme things
anywhere else.
That's just my thoughts.
These people want to force their morals
onto the rest of us by making America a
Church state. The men want women barefoot
and pregnant.
You may be right there. And, I found the
article linked on Anthropocentrism to be
very interesting as well. Thanks for the
link.
meblonde01
wrote:
I don't Birch, but I would
think it is sort of like some people that
protest the war, some do it low key with
class (if you want to call it that) while
others go over board and in my opinion
make fools of themselves.. They get SO
involved they end up doing extreme things
and looking pretty stupid! Making war over
war isn't going to make peace, and neither
are extreme things anywhere else.
That's just my
thoughts.
Thanks Marty for your thoughts!
Considering this, I guess war is kind of
an "abstract" concept and you wouldn't
yell at the military on the street or post
pictures of them on the internet and label
them "Iraqi killers". If you did you'd be
all over the news and possibly in jail.
Hell, I disagree with the war very, very
strongly but I would do such a thing. But
it's okay to do this to anonymous women
walking into a health clinic. Why?
I want to mention that yesterday I spoke
with someone who will not go to PP b/c she
is very timid and does not want to go
through the protestors. The woman needs
STD testing and birth control, not an
abortion. There is no other clinic in
town that will perform these tests on the
sliding scale that she needs.
I want prolife protestors to know the
damage they do.
These people want to force their morals
onto the rest of us by making America a
Church state. The men want women barefoot
and pregnant.
You may be right there. And, I found the
article linked on Anthropocentrism to be
very interesting as well. Thanks for the
link.
meblonde01
wrote:
I don't Birch, but I would
think it is sort of like some people that
protest the war, some do it low key with
class (if you want to call it that) while
others go over board and in my opinion
make fools of themselves.. They get SO
involved they end up doing extreme things
and looking pretty stupid! Making war over
war isn't going to make peace, and neither
are extreme things anywhere else.
That's just my
thoughts.
Thanks Marty for your thoughts!
Considering this, I guess war is kind of
an "abstract" concept and you wouldn't
yell at the military on the street or post
pictures of them on the internet and label
them "Iraqi killers". If you did you'd be
all over the news and possibly in jail.
Hell, I disagree with the war very, very
strongly but I would do such a thing. But
it's okay to do this to anonymous women
walking into a health clinic. Why?
I want to mention that yesterday I spoke
with someone who will not go to PP b/c she
is very timid and does not want to go
through the protestors. The woman needs
STD testing and birth control, not an
abortion. There is no other clinic in
town that will perform these tests on the
sliding scale that she needs.
I want prolife protestors to know the
damage they
do.
The protesters of whom you are speaking
wouldn't care at all about your friend.
They would say that if she had sex with
only her husband, she wouldn't need STD
testing or birth control. Birth control =
abortion, anyway, in the minds of the
wingnuts.
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Birch
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Posted: 07-18-08 22:27pm
Undoubtedly.
Not exactly a friend, she's an unmarried
drug addict/prostitute and has no busines
NOT being on birth control. The same
wailing nut jobs outside PP are the ones
who vote against social services that
would help this woman. And before we get
nut jobs on here wailing against me for
that comment, think about the voting trend
of conservative Americans.
I am trying to understand
the motives of the more vocal or physical
prolife protestors at clinic settings.
I have a case study of a gentleman who, in
his words, "yells at women" going into
clinics because it makes him "feel
superior". At further sessions he has
shared more infomation about his
powerless, abusive marriage which was over
two years ago. He has not yet made the
connection, but it made me curious about
the motivations of other prolife
protestors.
We had yodavater on here for a time, and
he is a protestor who takes photographs of
women going into clinics and posts them on
the internet. It seemed in my opinion a
bit extreme, but he never divulged any
reason other than "save the babies" for
doing so.
At the local clinic I drive by every day,
there is always a group of 4-5 older males
(never have I seen a woman) who hand out
leaflets and show posters. I know one of
them as an acquaintance, and he has a
mental illness.
Could protesting be a way to feeling
empowered?
Are there any prolife advocates on this
board who actively protest at abortion
clinics? Could you share your methods
and
motivations?
so a protester at a
nazi death camp is there because they want
nazis
barefoot?
The Nazi regime was staunchly
anti-abortion (forced sterilization for
those who were "undesirable" to continuing
the race). You know that though, right??
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Darkmoon
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Posted: 08-12-08 07:59am
*gasp* no, the prolife regime will never
admit that because it might destroy their
abuse and dehumanization of the Jewish
people to further their pro-slavery ends.
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Gu£st
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Posted: 08-12-08 09:42am
A person may feel motivated to protest
against abortion because he/she has a
strong sense of wanting to promote justice
or save lives.
Btw the Nazi party was neither pro life
nor pro choice. Infact abortion was forced
on Jews, Gypsies and other "undesirables"
and iligal to obtain for the Iconic German
woman.
Abortion was a something both used and
restricted to try achieve a nazi ideology
of advancement of an ayran race along
with the destruction of other races.
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Birch
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Posted: 08-12-08 10:28am
Gu£st
wrote:
A person may feel motivated
to protest against abortion because he/she
has a strong sense of wanting to promote
justice or save lives.
Btw the Nazi party was neither pro life
nor pro choice. Infact abortion was forced
on Jews, Gypsies and other "undesirables"
and iligal to obtain for the Iconic German
woman.
Abortion was a something both used and
restricted to try achieve a nazi ideology
of advancement of an ayran race along
with the destruction of other
races.
The Nazi's passed legislation making
abortion a high crime. While it is said
that they did this and yet encouraged
certain ethnicities to abort to perserve
their race, I see parallels with the
prolife movement.
While prolife advocates wish for all
abortions (with minor exceptions) to be
penalized, once children are born of a
certain race, financial situation, sexual
inclination, etc. these same prolife
advocates legislate for laws that would be
oppressive or discriminatory.
The conservative voting streak, for
example, favors laws prohibiting abortion,
as well as laws that would make
homosexuals second class citizens, laws
that inhibit funding for services that
assist the poor, and laws that uphold one
religion over another.
The difference between the Nazi regime and
many prolife advocates is that the prolife
advocates wait until someone is born, and
then oppress them.
americans have a right to protest. and
that includes protesting the brutal
slaughter of innocent people with
abortions.
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Birch
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Posted: 08-12-08 23:59pm
Few
wrote:
americans have a right to
protest. and that includes protesting the
brutal slaughter of innocent people with
abortions.
Did someone try to prohibit your right to
protest?
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Posted: 08-13-08 03:48am
Gu£st
wrote:
Btw the Nazi party was neither pro life
nor pro choice. Infact abortion was forced
on Jews, Gypsies and other "undesirables"
and iligal to obtain for the Iconic German
woman.
I didn't say Nazi Germany was pro-choice
or pro-life. I said Anti-abortion which
is why they forced sterilisation on
"undesirables"
