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Posted: 08-08-08 20:40pm


That's strange. I didn't see Darkmoon say she hated any fetuses. I didn't see where she wrote she wanted to kill any fetuses, either. Dishonest prolife tactics.

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Posted: 08-08-08 22:11pm


if you dont hate fetus than why do you kill them with abortions?

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Posted: 08-09-08 03:52am

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if you dont hate fetus than why do you kill them with abortions?

I'm going to ignore the fact you seem to believe all pro-choicers are on some mission to end the world (if we believed every fetus should be aborted that is effectively what we would want to happen, no?) and let you in on something - it's not about the fetus (or hating it), it's about the woman Wink

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Posted: 08-09-08 07:21am


I think all fetuses should be set free to live happily in the open air! Where they can enjoy the sunshine and the breeze, and go out to the pub and have a nice bottle of wine! I think it is scandalous that fetuses are compelled to be trapped in some gloomy, wet cramped space, being subjected to whatever some woman wants to feed it. They can't even watch tv or play video games! Pregnant women must hate their fetuses, torturing them like that! Makes just about as much sense, doesn't it?

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Posted: 08-09-08 09:10am

motherofhighspiritedones wrote:

aochriss wrote:

Few wrote:

aochriss wrote:

Rosierose wrote:

So the baby is only a person when he isn't completely dependent on one person?

A baby is a person when he is no longer part of another person's body.

a person is always a person untill death. and a person is never a part of another persons body.

Technically all true. Smile

(Because Few didn't say he was talking about a zef here.)

True but if you look in the post about if Prolifers had their way and PP vanished, you would know that Few here, calls prochoice people cannibals. Says that we as prochoice, choose to abort our fetuses so that we have an extra bit of money in our pockets. Says we refuse to eat at family resturants, we prefer gourmet. No offense to you Aochriss, I just kinda figured out what Few meant about the above comment.

You are absolutely correct. I was trying to be funny/sarcastic/ironic. Smile

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Posted: 08-09-08 09:16am

motherofhighspiritedones wrote:

But I am not going to waste my words on someone who compares a fetus to a piece of machinery.

few wrote:

and i was comparing the mother to a machine and the baby as the person in the machine.

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OH I SEE, that's so much better!!!!

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Posted: 08-09-08 12:57pm

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if you dont hate fetus than why do you kill them with abortions?

Strawman.

Which is a lazy, semantic argument tactic employed when you have no real position to defend.

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Posted: 08-09-08 22:40pm

Birch wrote:

Few wrote:

if you dont hate fetus than why do you kill them with abortions?

Strawman.

Which is a lazy, semantic argument tactic employed when you have no real position to defend.

i have unborn babies to defend. all you defend is a bunch of self rightious no-it alls that pat each other on the back and talk about how great it is to be allowed to slaughter defenseless humans.

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Posted: 08-10-08 11:58am

Few wrote:

Birch wrote:

Few wrote:

if you dont hate fetus than why do you kill them with abortions?

Strawman.

Which is a lazy, semantic argument tactic employed when you have no real position to defend.

i have unborn babies to defend. all you defend is a bunch of self rightious no-it alls that pat each other on the back and talk about how great it is to be allowed to slaughter defenseless humans.

You are not doing a bang up job defending unborn babies on and anonymouse internet debate forum. You are furthering the stereotype of the unpleasant prolife advocate who denigrates women at every opportunity.

How many babies have you saved on ehealth?

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Posted: 08-10-08 13:57pm


how is encouraging women to not kill their children denigrating women?

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Posted: 08-10-08 14:56pm

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how is encouraging women to not kill their children denigrating women?

But that isn't what you are doing. You are going around insulting women and calling them names.

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Posted: 08-10-08 22:52pm

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Rosierose wrote:

Yep, well, I'm only 15, so I guess I am pretty ignorant...

What is really at stake is the mother’s lifestyle, as opposed to the baby’s life. No one has an absolute unconditional right to a lifestyle. It is always governed by its effects on others. There are 1,000’s of restrictions on us including no-smoking provisions, noise and zoning ordinances, etc. Finally, is it reasonable for society to expect an to live with a temporary inconvenience if the only alternative is a child?

Choice is a great thing. I passionately defend a woman's right to choose a career or schooling or housing or any number of life avenues. I defend her choice to decide whether to have , and with whom, and how often, and whether or not to use birth control.

But absolute, unhindered choice is not a guaranteed human right. Think about it: civil society already tells us that we cannot "choose" to abuse a child or "choose" to steal a car. There are legal consequences to those actions, because "choosing" to burglarize a home infringes on the basic liberties of the person who lives there.

When our right to choose bumps up against the right of another to exist peacefully, our choice is blocked by civilized law.
A woman’s right to decide what to do with her body bumps up against the right of that baby's right to exist.
A woman's right to choose an abortion cannot logically co-exist with a embryo/fetus' right to be born.

Simply put, life trumps choice.

You know what the woman has the right to? A safe abortion performed by trained professionals. When abortion was illegal, do you think it never happened? Oh, it happened... and women died. They DIED. They were forced to go to back-alley quacks who used dirty instruments. They were forced to throw themselves down staircases, attempt to overdose on dangerous medications, used coat hangers and knitting needles on themselves... all to get rid of a pregnancy they absolutely did NOT want.

The flaw in your argument (or the argument you stole off the internet... I'm kind of confused on that) is assuming that the unborn child has rights. Under our laws, it does NOT have rights. It does not have a legal name, a social security number, a birth certificate, or any legal substantiated proof of its existance. The mother, on the other hand, does. The mother is a living, breathing, tax-paying citizen who is protected by the rights of this country. Her health and freedom are paramount.

are you suggesting that all crimes that have a risk to the criminals life should be legalized or do you think you are somehow special better than other criminals and only the crime of killing babies should be legal?

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Posted: 08-11-08 13:02pm

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how is encouraging women to not kill their children denigrating women?

You have persistently chosen to denigrate women. How is that encouraging women to keep their pregnancies?

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Posted: 08-11-08 13:09pm

Birch wrote:

Few wrote:

how is encouraging women to not kill their children denigrating women?

You have persistently chosen to denigrate women. How is that encouraging women to keep their pregnancies?

not all women kill their children with abortions. your post is inacurate and obtuse.

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Posted: 08-11-08 13:44pm


Not all pro choicers choose abortion either. We just feel that should be an option if a woman chooses to do so.

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Posted: 08-11-08 15:40pm

Few wrote:

Birch wrote:

Few wrote:

how is encouraging women to not kill their children denigrating women?

You have persistently chosen to denigrate women. How is that encouraging women to keep their pregnancies?

not all women kill their children with abortions. your post is inacurate and obtuse.

How is denigrating women encouraging them to keep their pregnancies?

How many babies have you saved since you've joined ehealth?

How many women have you converted to 'prolife' since joining ehealth?

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Posted: 08-11-08 15:46pm

Birch wrote:

Few wrote:

Birch wrote:

Few wrote:

how is encouraging women to not kill their children denigrating women?

You have persistently chosen to denigrate women. How is that encouraging women to keep their pregnancies?

not all women kill their children with abortions. your post is inacurate and obtuse.

how many meaningless biased questions will you inflict us with?

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Posted: 08-11-08 15:51pm

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how many meaningless biased questions will you inflict us with?

That is a good enough answer.

You denigrate women because you have no other tools.

You have not saved a baby since joining ehealth.

You have not converted anyone to prolife since joining ehealth.

One is left to wonder why you have joined.

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Posted: 08-11-08 15:55pm

Birch wrote:

Few wrote:

how many meaningless biased questions will you inflict us with?

how does the truth denigrate women? and since the truth is the only tool at my disposal how are you able to fault me for using the truth?

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Posted: 08-11-08 16:35pm

Few wrote:

how does the truth denigrate women? and since the truth is the only tool at my disposal how are you able to fault me for using the truth?

Delusion is the only tool at your disposal. Your idea of truth is similar to that of those people who hear voices, isn't it?

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