So the baby is only a person
when he isn't completely dependent on one
person?
A baby is a person when he is no longer
part of another person's
body.
a person is
always a person untill death. and a person
is never a part of another persons
body.
LOL. A FETUS/ZYGOTE/EMBRYO is a part of
another person's body...attached to the
mother via the umbilical cord. The
placenta acts as a transfer station for
waste and nutrients. An unborn human
cannot exist without BEING ATTACHED to its
mother via the UMBILICAL CORD unless it is
born after the 25 week mark, where if it
is born that early it will require life
support to SUPPLEMENT what it would have
been given by its mother VIA THE UMBILICAL
CORD. And a person is NOT a person until
it is ONE, meaning individual of another.
Not dependent on another for oxygen, food
and waste transfer at the cellular level.
A fetus is not a PERSON. IT might be a
human, but until it takes its first
breath, it, by law, is not considered a
person or a
being.
human, human being, person all mean the
same thing. why do pro choicer insist on
oppressing people with their made up
definitions? human beings are created and
have a continuous lifespan untill death.
and no made up definition that pro
choicers inflict us with will change that
fact.
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Moo
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Posted: 08-12-08 05:40am
Few
wrote:
human, human being, person all mean
the same
thing.
You are incorrect.
Few
wrote:
why do pro choicer insist
on oppressing people with their made up
definitions?
I believe you are the person making up
definitions to suit your own agenda - a
z/e/f is NOT a person (I have statute to
back me up on this one).
I try to order the lasagna outside the
clinic that the protesters appear to be
serving but I get turned down every time.
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Posted: 08-12-08 15:45pm
Moo
wrote:
Few
wrote:
human, human being, person all mean
the same
thing.
You are incorrect.
Few
wrote:
why do pro choicer insist
on oppressing people with their made up
definitions?
I believe you are the person making up
definitions to suit your own agenda - a
z/e/f is NOT a person (I have statute to
back me up on this
one).
of course a gorilla
fetus is not a person of course a
chimpanzee adult is not a person. but a
human fetus is very much a person as is a
human adult very much a person. because
humans are people and people are persons.
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Birch
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Posted: 08-12-08 17:10pm
Who cares, criminy. Words. Seriously,
don't you all just want to throw in the
towel? Call it whatever you want it
doesn't change what it actually is. See
Photo.
Let's go back to "Don't like abortion?
Don't have one." Let me live with my
decisions since you'll never have to. The
arrogance of prolifers. Force you to
give birth because they think that's
right. *snort* It's ridiculous.
Who cares, criminy. Words.
Seriously, don't you all just want to
throw in the towel? Call it whatever you
want it doesn't change what it actually
is. See Photo.
Let's go back to "Don't like abortion?
Don't have one." Let me live with my
decisions since you'll never have to. The
arrogance of prolifers. Force you to
give birth because they think that's
right. *snort* It's
ridiculous.
then why haven't you chopped
up and adult female into a million pieces
and shown the world the photo of that
while bragging about how that doesn't look
much like a person?
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Birch
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Posted: 08-12-08 18:48pm
Few
wrote:
Birch
wrote:
Who cares, criminy. Words.
Seriously, don't you all just want to
throw in the towel? Call it whatever you
want it doesn't change what it actually
is. See Photo.
Let's go back to "Don't like abortion?
Don't have one." Let me live with my
decisions since you'll never have to. The
arrogance of prolifers. Force you to
give birth because they think that's
right. *snort* It's
ridiculous.
then why haven't you chopped
up and adult female into a million pieces
and shown the world the photo of that
while bragging about how that doesn't look
much like a
person?
All you have is propaganda and insults.
How many prolife advocates have you
recruited with these tactics?
And how many babies and mothers have you
helped with these tactics?
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Few
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Posted: 08-12-08 23:34pm
Moo
wrote:
Few
wrote:
human, human being, person all mean
the same
thing.
You are incorrect.
Few
wrote:
why do pro choicer insist
on oppressing people with their made up
definitions?
I believe you are the person making up
definitions to suit your own agenda - a
z/e/f is NOT a person (I have statute to
back me up on this
one).
what statute? the
statute of lunacy? of course a z/e/f
cannot be a person because there is no
such thing as a z/e/f. a person starts out
as a zygote than develops to the level of
embryo than a person develops to the level
of fetus after birth the person is
basically still a fetus only outside of
the womb than a person develops to
adolescence than adult. people do not
transform from adolescent to adult or
embryo to fetus. development is gradually
with no exact dividing line between levels
of development. of course a person can't
be a z/e/f because a person cannot be at
the levels of development of zygote embryo
and fetus all at the same time. z/e/f is
an idiotic expression design to trick
people into thinking uborn babies are
something other than the human beings that
they are. in an effort to promote
discrimination against unborn babies and
the wanton slaughter of people with
abortions.
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Posted: 08-13-08 04:12am
Few
wrote:
Moo
wrote:
Few
wrote:
human, human being, person all mean
the same
thing.
You are incorrect.
Few
wrote:
why do pro choicer insist
on oppressing people with their made up
definitions?
I believe you are the person making up
definitions to suit your own agenda - a
z/e/f is NOT a person (I have statute to
back me up on this
one).
what statute? the
statute of lunacy? of course a z/e/f
cannot be a person because there is no
such thing as a z/e/f. a person starts out
as a zygote than develops to the level of
embryo than a person develops to the level
of fetus after birth the person is
basically still a fetus only outside of
the womb than a person develops to
adolescence than adult. people do not
transform from adolescent to adult or
embryo to fetus. development is gradually
with no exact dividing line between levels
of development. of course a person can't
be a z/e/f because a person cannot be at
the levels of development of zygote embryo
and fetus all at the same time. z/e/f is
an idiotic expression design to trick
people into thinking uborn babies are
something other than the human beings that
they are. in an effort to promote
discrimination against unborn babies and
the wanton slaughter of people with
abortions.
Several actually but in regards to
abortion you can take the statute for
homicide, since you need to be a person to
be murdered (OAPA1861 - incidentally the
crimes of abortion, before they were
legalised, are within the same statute)
Z/E/F is used to save time typing each
stage of development out, I'm sure you
know this but whatever. ANyone with a
basic understanding of human biology is
aware of what happens during pregnancy and
they are aware of the fact the
zyote/embryo/fetus they carry (at various
stages, obviously
) is human.
And to qualify - a zygote is not a person,
an embryo is not a person, a fetus is not
a person.
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motherofhighspiritedones
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Posted: 08-13-08 04:18am
[quote="Moo"]
Few
wrote:
Moo
wrote:
Few
wrote:
human, human being, person all mean
the same
thing.
You are incorrect.
Few
wrote:
why do pro choicer insist
on oppressing people with their made up
definitions?
I believe you are the person making up
definitions to suit your own agenda - a
z/e/f is NOT a person (I have statute to
back me up on this
one).
what statute? the
statute of lunacy? of course a z/e/f
cannot be a person because there is no
such thing as a z/e/f. a person starts out
as a zygote than develops to the level of
embryo than a person develops to the level
of fetus after birth the person is
basically still a fetus only outside of
the womb than a person develops to
adolescence than adult. people do not
transform from adolescent to adult or
embryo to fetus. development is gradually
with no exact dividing line between levels
of development. of course a person can't
be a z/e/f because a person cannot be at
the levels of development of zygote embryo
and fetus all at the same time. z/e/f is
an idiotic expression design to trick
people into thinking uborn babies are
something other than the human beings that
they are. in an effort to promote
discrimination against unborn babies and
the wanton slaughter of people with
abortions.
UMMMM....a fetus outside a woman's womb is
still a fetus? NONONONO!!! I don't think
so...not even for a preterm baby. The term
used for that "developmental stage" is
NEWBORN. And NEWBORNS are LEGALLY human
BEINGS....meaning individual of another's
BODY for life support.
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motherofhighspiritedones
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Posted: 08-13-08 04:21am
Oh and since we are being sooo corrective,
Few...get your developmental stages right:
it's:
Ovum, zygote, embryo, fetus, newborn,
infant, toddler, preschooler, school age
child, preadolescent, adolescent, adult,
middle-ager, senior citizen, and then
corpse.
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Few
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Posted: 08-13-08 17:33pm
Moo
wrote:
Few
wrote:
Moo
wrote:
Few
wrote:
human, human being, person all mean
the same
thing.
You are incorrect.
Few
wrote:
why do pro choicer insist
on oppressing people with their made up
definitions?
I believe you are the person making up
definitions to suit your own agenda - a
z/e/f is NOT a person (I have statute to
back me up on this
one).
what statute? the
statute of lunacy? of course a z/e/f
cannot be a person because there is no
such thing as a z/e/f. a person starts out
as a zygote than develops to the level of
embryo than a person develops to the level
of fetus after birth the person is
basically still a fetus only outside of
the womb than a person develops to
adolescence than adult. people do not
transform from adolescent to adult or
embryo to fetus. development is gradually
with no exact dividing line between levels
of development. of course a person can't
be a z/e/f because a person cannot be at
the levels of development of zygote embryo
and fetus all at the same time. z/e/f is
an idiotic expression design to trick
people into thinking uborn babies are
something other than the human beings that
they are. in an effort to promote
discrimination against unborn babies and
the wanton slaughter of people with
abortions.
Several actually but in regards to
abortion you can take the statute for
homicide, since you need to be a person to
be murdered (OAPA1861 - incidentally the
crimes of abortion, before they were
legalised, are within the same statute)
Z/E/F is used to save time typing each
stage of development out, I'm sure you
know this but whatever. ANyone with a
basic understanding of human biology is
aware of what happens during pregnancy and
they are aware of the fact the
zyote/embryo/fetus they carry (at various
stages, obviously
) is human.
And to qualify - a zygote is not a person,
an embryo is not a person, a fetus is not
a person.
it
must take a great deal more time to kill a
person with an abortion than to write a
word. but you seem to have plenty of time
for that. and wht dont you abreviate
mother or adult and all the other words
that are used to describe people?
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AyaMiyaki
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Posted: 08-13-08 17:52pm
Because this is an abortion debate forum,
and zygote/embryo/fetus is used on an
almost daily basis here. You know what the
letters stand for - stop whining about it.
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Few
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Posted: 08-13-08 20:26pm
AyaMiyaki
wrote:
Because this is an abortion
debate forum, and zygote/embryo/fetus is
used on an almost daily basis here. You
know what the letters stand for - stop
whining about
it.
yes they stand for a cheap brain washing
tactic. a person can only be a zygote or
an embryo or a fetus so why not use the
word that describes what they are. the
word mother and the word people are also
used often but you don't abreviate those.
you are just using the expression zef to
brainwash people into thinking babies are
not human beings to further your agenda of
slaughtering defenseless humans.
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motherofhighspiritedones
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Posted: 08-13-08 20:43pm
actually we do use shortened terms for
people...duh
ppl peeps whatever
and we use shortened words for mother too
DM=dear mother
DW=dear wife
DD=dear daughter
DS=dear son
DH= dear husband (or in the terms when you
are a little peeved at your man, it could
mean d*head)
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AyaMiyaki
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Posted: 08-13-08 21:26pm
I've explained in another thread why z/e/f
is used, and why we don't use just zygote,
or just embryo, or just fetus. It isn't
always correct since abortions are
performed at different stages of the
unborn's development. Z/e/f covers all
three of those developmental stages
without forcing the debator to type out 13
additional characters.
Since when is using a scientific term a
brainwashing attempt? Is
science so confusing?
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NeutralUsername
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And you complain about propaganda? You are
showing a DEAD fetus to show that it isn't
a person! It may not be a person (because
legally it isn't one), but that's like
showing a cut up corpse and claiming that
is what people look like.
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Few
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Posted: 08-13-08 22:56pm
AyaMiyaki
wrote:
I've explained in another
thread why z/e/f is used, and why we don't
use just zygote, or just embryo, or just
fetus. It isn't always correct since
abortions are performed at different
stages of the unborn's development. Z/e/f
covers all three of those developmental
stages without forcing the debator to type
out 13 additional characters.
Since when is using a scientific term a
brainwashing attempt? Is
science so
confusing?
than
why not use a/a instead of
adult/adolescent that forces the debator
to type out 11 additional characters?
) is human.
Is
science so confusing?