Question on personhood for the unborn

Best thing I've read on PLA that shows exactly what kind of people they are is "As for the reasons women have abortions, that’s irrelevant. If the unborn are not living human beings, no justification for abortion is necessary. If they are living human beings, no justification for abortion is possible. " They have do not have the ability to sympathize or empathize with a woman with an unwanted pregnancy at ALL. A woman could be held at gun point and they would refuse to see her need to have an abortion. But I'm no longer surprised at anything that comes out of that place. The majority of people at that place disgust me.

Exactly, Jincks. That's why I recommended PLA for prolifers here to take a look at. They need to see how serious other people flying their flag are about killing people in order to force their views. I don't think any of the currently registered prolifers here are that bad, but they constantly ask for evidence that their "side" is more violent.

Read Faithman, Joe, Sander and NancyU's posts for examples of how violent radical prolifers are and watch in amazement as most other prolifers defend them for their advocation of terrorism. Even fellow prolifers are treated as enemies there and most of those nuttcases have blatantly said they wanted to see a prochoice or "not prolife enough" person die.

I should probably add that "Faithman" has several sockpuppets. NancyU is one of them but he tends to mess around with fake PC posters too. Proof that his position is so weak he has to make up defenders for it as well as blatant lies. That man would be a fascinating vivisection specimen. I'm very interested in how multiple personalities work in a permissive online atmosphere.

Odd that one of his most vehement objectors happens to be a sock-puppet addict.

Actually I did a little reserach myself, I was provided with a number 1-800-848-LOVE (for hope and healing after abortion.)

I told the woman I need counselling because I was attentding an abortion and she provided me another number. The number she provided me was 1-877-467-3463 (Rachel vinyard) and well I was told that I would be provided two years of counselling in two and a half days.

What really irked me is that they provide christian masses and prayer, they dont necessarily go down to a complete counselling level. I told the lady I spoke with I was non-religious but she still recommended it.

A Rachel’s Vineyard weekend retreat is a chance to get away from daily pressures and to look at the painful past through a supportive and nurturing process. The time away provides an opportunity to enter the grieving process and identify all the ways abortion may have affected you. Pain and suffering are then transformed through a spiritual process using rituals, meditations, a memorial service and Mass of Resurrection. Sorrow, remorse and anger ultimately give way to peace and acceptance.

It is part of Project Rachel...

An article I read

Marketers Of The Preven 'Morning After Pill,' Are Engaged In Re- Defining Pregnancy

by Celeste McGovern

There's nothing new about the "new" "morning after pill," Preven. It's just the old birth control pill in super-high doses wrapped up in a box with an image of a carefree '90s woman, a pregnancy home-test, instructions and a price tag of $25 to $35. Even the spokesman for the drug company that makes it says, "it's really just repackaging and re- marketing." What is new, however, is the definition of pregnancy that marketing strategists and Preven promoters are using to sell very early abortion as pregnancy prevention.

Doctors have given women fearing unwanted pregnancy concentrated birth control hormones within 72 hours of sex ever since Albert Yuzpe observed their effect on the endometrium (lining of the womb) in the 1970s: the hormones make the womb a hostile environment for a newly fertilized egg. For all these years, the use of the drugs has been unofficial, little known and called the Yuzpe regimen.

Like the Yuzpe regimen, Preven makes women vomit, bleed, feel sick and dizzy and, 75% of the time (according to optimistic website advertising), if she is pregnant (and no one can be sure if she is), shed an unwanted fertilized egg.

Jennifer Kessell, spokeswoman for Roberts Pharmaceuticals, the Oakville, Ont., Canadian manufacturer of the drug, sells Preven as though it were a new shade of eyeliner. "They're not sure of the ins and outs of it," she says. "But it's thought to work two main ways." First, by delaying ovulation, and second, by preventing implantation of a fertilized egg into the women's uterus. More often it would prevent implantation, she confirms. Ms. Kessell offers Preven as an alternative to abortion which "ends the life that is already implanted." She also calls it "emergency contraception" that prevents pregnancy.

But isn't Preven for women who believe they are already pregnant? Is this a new definition of pregnancy? "There's different definitions [of pregnancy] depending on where you live," offers Ms. Kessell. "Most doctors would say pregnancy begins at implantation," she continues. Only "anti- abortionists" would say life begins "when the sperm meets the egg. Period." Pregnancy begins when a woman is "comfortable" with it beginning, she adds . "It depends on your own personal views and what you want to believe."

"Biologically, physically, genetically, embryologically, pregnancy begins at conception," counters Calgary pharmacist Maria Bizecki, who belongs to Concerned Pharmacists for Conscience, an Alberta group that is lobbying for pharmacists' right to refuse to dispense abortifacients. "The public is being lied to about the way this works. Preven terminates a pregnancy in its very early stages," she emphasizes.

Planned Parenthood is promoting "Preven moments" for "non-consensual sex," " condom breakage," "birth control failure" or "moments of passion." It would like to see the drug available without a prescription. Alberta Pro- Life's Joanne Hatton is especially concerned about the effect this would have on young women and girls who may be pressured by boyfriends into taking the drug and exposed repeatedly to its unknown toxic effects.

Asked about the effects of repeat exposure to Preven, Ms. Kessell's answer is not entirely reassuring: "There's nothing known yet."


Now I know the morning after pill is brith control in a stronger dosasge but these idiots are just being ignorant, sorry for being rude and Im not dissing all pro-life but where do they get this stuff?