self-treatment of infertility Posted: 06-04-08 08:22am
Hello ladies!
My name is Sherri, I'm 34 and we have been
TTC for about 9 years now with no luck. I
have never seen a doctor about this, I
don't even know what kind of doctor to
see, and I don't know what it would cost,
but I'm sure it isn't cheap.
About 3 months ago I decided to take
things into my own hands and pray for the
best. I have checked my bbt every month
and in addition, I ordered Clomid from an
overseas pharmacy without a prescription.
I took it from day 5 to 9 exactly the same
time every night. According to my OPK I
surged yesterday. This morning my bbt was
96.70 which is a LOT lower than other
days. Well, we had the baby dance every
night for the past 5 nights and this
morning I woke up cramping. Almost like
gas, but it doesn't seem to be gas. I'm
sooooo hoping we hit the nail on the head
this time, but I don't know what to think
since this clomid thing is not exactly
being monitored by a doctor. I'm so
nervous. I have a very faithful 28 day
cycle, so it seems as though things are
right on schedule for the moment. I'll
keep you all posted.
I have found where I can order the pregnyl
online from the same place I got my
clomid. I'm thinking that if this clomid
thing doesn't work, I'm going to try the
pregnyl injections, but needless to say,
I'm scared. I need some advice. I don't
know all the "exacts" on what to do, but
I've spent countless hours online reading
and reading and reading in hopes to have
at least some clue of what I'm doing.
Has anyone else done this without doctor's
supervision? Has anyone else here taken
the pregnyl injections themselves that are
willing to offer advice? What kind of
doctor do you see to first start TTC with
clomid and/or pregnyl? How much does it
usually cost? What all is involved?
I would be so greatful to anyone that can
help.
I'm going to my daughter's award ceremony
at the school and will be back in an hour.
I'll check back then.
Sherri
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Strumphette
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Posted: 06-04-08 14:15pm
First of all, that is very dangerous to
take meds without a prescription, you
could do more harm than good.
The type of Dr. to go to is a
Gynecologist, in this case an OB/GYN
(Obstetrics and Gynecology). If there's
something majorly wrong, he'll send you to
a specialist, like a reproductive
endocronologist. That's what I ended up
having to do.
If you have insurance, it shouldn't be too
pricey, but isn't having a baby worth
anything? I've been through 2
surgeries-expensive even with
insurance-but it'll be worth it when we
have a baby.
If you have insurance, go to their website
and search for Drs in your area that they
cover. Look for OB/GYN and call one and
make an appt for as soon as you can get
in.
Good luck with everything.
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TTCinFL
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Thanks! Posted: 06-04-08 14:43pm
Thank you Jthorne.
The reason I asked is because I get my
yearly paps and checkups from my regular
GP and I do not see an OB/GYN, so when I
asked her about all this, she just said
talk to me after you've tried a while
longer and then I can send you to a
specialist. So until now, that's all I
knew, and frankly, I'm tired of trying. In
addition, she told me that most average
income couples really couldn't afford all
that is involved with fertility
treatments, so try the old fashioned way
was long as I could. Needless to say, she
wasn't too helpful at all. Our insurance
doesn't cover any fertility or maternity
issues at all, so this will be all out of
our pocket entirely. That has me a little
stressed. We have saved for a long time to
prepare for the expense of having another
child in hopes that he or she would be
well taken care of, and I don't want to
spend all of that on trying to get
pregnate then end up financially strapped
when the baby comes. It scares me. My
husband is a contractor and with the
economy the way it is these days we have
to be smart with every dime we spend. I
mean, if we're talking a couple thousand,
then I'm okay with that, but my GP made it
sound like it is way out of our league. I
don't know what to think and trying to get
in to see a new doctor around this area is
about as easy as winning the lottery. This
area is way over populated with not enough
doctors. It is at least a 4 to 6 month
wait just to get in to see her for updated
checkups for refills on other meds. I'll
get on the phone and give it a shot, I was
just hoping that with all that it seems
many of you have been through that your
experience would be comforting to me if
shared.
Thank you for taking the time to reply. I
will keep you all posted on what happens
next. I know I O'd today, and hubby is
rushing home for some baby dust, so keep
your fingers crossed for me.
Hugs!
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Posted: 06-04-08 15:09pm
I agree; it's really not good to take
medication that is prescription without
going to a obgyn for this. By going to an
obgyn you can save money in case if it
isn't chlomid you need and something else.
You can also make sure taking the
medication won't cause any unnecessary
health risks.
There are some at home remedies you can do
to improve your chances of trying to
conceive that don't need a prescription.
Have you ever used preseed before? If you
don't have a lot of egg white cervical
mucous, or even if you do, this can
drastically improve your chances of
conceiving. It is very sperm friendly and
helps keep the little guys alive.
Also, it may be your husband who has the
problem (for example, low sperm count) and
not you in which case the medication you
are giving yourself is completely
unnecessary.
I highly highly recommend going to a
doctor, even though it may cost a bit. To
have a happy, healthy child and pinpoint
what may be wrong is well worth it.
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Strumphette
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Posted: 06-04-08 15:12pm
Your GP should have sent you to a Gyno
long ago.
I thought most insurance covered things
like maternity-you have a baby, the
insurance company gets paid more because
you added someone to your coverage. My
surgeries were about $6000 each, that
included anesthesiologist, etc. I think we
ended up paying about $2000, but I think a
lot of that depends on your deductible.
You may not need a specialist, just the
gynocologist. I understand long waits to
see Drs, my specialist was highly
specialized serving many states, but the
sooner you call, the sooner you can get an
appt and find out what's going on. Just
explain to the receptionist/scheduler the
situation, sometimes they can squeeze you
in sooner.
Good luck and lots of baby dust to you!
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nightangel73
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Posted: 06-09-08 17:35pm
I think it is really dangerous to take
prescription medications without medical
supervision. You put your LIFE at risk.
And with no life then there is no babies
neither. And if you already have a kid
then you need to make sure you are alive
to help this one grow up. What if your
hormone levels are fine and you don't need
clomid? And then you have this amount of
hormones flowing..you might be disrupting
your already fine hormone production
levels and what is worst may risk of
getting cancers or damaging your
reproductive system/liver because all
those added chemicals are not going to do
any good. Hope you really go to doctor.
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TTCinFL
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Thank you... Posted: 06-09-08 20:23pm
Thank you to all of you who took the time
to verbally lexure and attack me for
making the decision to do this. I
understand where you're coming from but
the thing is, what's done is done. I had
hoped to receive a bit of advice on how to
handle things now that it is done. I would
rather offer up advice on something I have
knowledge of, to someone who has done
something that I may not agree with, than
to not offer up the advice that may help
them and leave them feeling alone. But
that's just me. Obviously I knew I was
taking a chance with self-treatment,
otherwise, I would be able to buy clomid
at wal-mart on the check-out isle. I'm not
ignorant, I was just taking a huge risk
that frankly, after 9 long years of
disappointment, I was more than willing to
take.
On a better note... I got my BFP on
Saturday, then again on Sunday, then again
twice today. So far I'm feeling great,
just craving salty things and feeling
hungry several times throughout the day
and having to go pee like every hour and
bbs are very tender. CM is white and
creamy. Oh, hot flashes too. (that's
something I never had with the others) So,
while it was a risk to do what I did, it
was my risk to take, and in knowing my
body so well, I felt comfortable enough to
take the chance, and I thank God that I
did. I wouldn't have changed anything
except to use better judgment in my
decision to ask for advice on this site. I
can only pray that you all use kinder
words of advice the next time someone in
my situation comes to all of you for
advice when she is scared. It is our
character that defines us.
With all that said, I want to wish all of
you many blessings to come. I pray that
your journeys are not too long into
motherhood and I hope that you all
experience your wishes come true.
Motherhood is a blessing each and every
day. My thoughts and prayers are with all
of you.
I will not be posting any further updates
here. I have found another site that is
far more active and far less critical in
judgement where I have chosen to share my
stories of my journey ahead of me.
Blessings of baby dust to all,
TTCinFL
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AyaMiyaki
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Posted: 06-09-08 20:51pm
You got a BFP two days after you ovulated?
That's not physically possible. You must
have ovulated last month and conceived
then, which means you did not ovulate on
6/4. Pregnant women do not ovulate. Having
said that, congratulations on your
pregnancy. After nine years it must be a
great relief.
The women here did not attack you. They
gave you advice on self-medicating because
they were concerned for your health. There
was no need to take it personally - the
advice they gave you was sound.
I wish you the best of luck and a healthy
pregnancy.
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eeyore46
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Posted: 06-09-08 21:24pm
I am sorry you have had a bad experience
on the forum. I too, have had some
misunderstandings which have been
corrected and the administration
apologized for. This forum is just like
any other - there are people who are
sympathetic and tactful and then there are
people who are ignorant and unsympathetic.
Again, sorry you had a bad experience on
the forum. Good luck and private message
me if you want.
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eeyore46
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New Forum - eeyore46 Posted: 06-09-08 21:26pm
Also, I would love to know of the friendly
forum you have found. Please private
message me with this information. Again,
I can understand your frustration.
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TTCinFL
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Posted: 06-09-08 21:27pm
thank you so much to you both.
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nightangel73
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Posted: 06-10-08 06:06am
There is a lot of people around the world
who read this forum and it is our
responsability to point when something
said here can put the life of others in
danger. No need to take is as an offense.
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PenguinsRus
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Posted: 06-10-08 09:49am
I am sorry that you feel this way about
our forum. However, we were merely
pointing out the risk to your life. We
had no way to know that you already knew
it could be harmful to your body because
you yourself didn't mention the risk. We
don't want to be responsible for you
becoming ill or having something bad
happen to your body because we didn't tell
you the risks that go along with what you
are doing. We are just trying to keep you
healthy, what this forum is all about. I
know whats done is done, but you came here
asking us about buying future medications
online and more fertility treatments that
are prescription only. By letting you
know all the risks involved, we were just
trying to keep you well informed about
future decisions you are making, not just
ones that have already been made. We were
hoping to inform you so you do not make
yourself ill in the FUTURE, since you were
planning on doing the treatments again
without consulting a doctor first.
Congrats on your BFP and have a happy
healthy 9 months.
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TTCinFL
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Posted: 06-10-08 11:06am
I never asked about buying them, I had
already bought them, I was asking about
your experience with them. Scroll back up
and read. Amazing. All that has been typed
above this message and still nothing on
the advice I asked about. I noticed that
even the title of my post was changed as
well. The title DID say "Advice needed on
TTC". I never asked for anyone to give me
the warnings of self-treatment. I really
would like to ask that this topic be
closed. I really want nothing further to
do with this conversation, but people keep
replying and when I'm notified by email I
always end up once again having to defend
myself. I feel I bowed out with quite a
nice, friendly, peaceful post above. There
is no need for further explanation for
these attacks. (or wrather, I should call
them harsh words of warnings?)
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PenguinsRus
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Re: self-treatment of infertility Posted: 06-10-08 11:12am
TTCinFL
wrote:
I have found where I can order the pregnyl
online from the same place I got my
clomid. I'm thinking that if this clomid
thing doesn't work, I'm going to try the
pregnyl
injections
This is where you stated that you were
thinking about trying other medication
without going to the doctor first, and it
is what we were advising you on for your
own health and safety in the future. I
apologize if it's not what you wanted to
hear, but you deserve to know about the
risks involved with what you are doing.
That is all. However, it doesn't matter
now that you have your BFP; you won't have
to continue self medicating yourself
anyways. Good luck with your pregnancy!
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TTCinFL
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Posted: 06-10-08 11:14am
Thank you.
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PenguinsRus
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Posted: 06-10-08 11:19am
Also, please don't leave ehealthforum
because of this! We were just trying to
help; sorry if it sounded harsh. There
are plenty of nice ladies in our pregnancy
chats and we'd all love to get to know you
more if you head over to those forums.
You can tell your story and make tons of
new great friends to help you on your
pregnancy journey.
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Posted: 06-10-08 18:12pm
I dont think that you are being attacked
here. I think that you are over reacting
to what is being said.
The topic titles get changed on here all
the time, so dont get offended by that.
The admin change them for several reasons.
One reason is so that these topics can be
found by search engines and the other
reason is so that the post is not so
vague.
Did you figure out how far you are and if
you are a month further that you actually
are?
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TTCinFL
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Posted: 06-10-08 18:24pm
Thank you very much for explaining those
things to me. I guess I could have avoided
all of this if I had just asked the right
questions. (feeling not so nice right
now)
Honestly, I have no idea how far along I
am. I had my period last month, so I know
that I couldn't have had a bfp last month,
but I agree, it is waaaaay to early to
tell a bfp now, although, I was only 4DPO
with my son and 6 DPO with my daughter
when the Dr confirmed my bfp by urine test
first, then followed up with a blood test.
I was told then that it was not uncommon
for some women to feel every change their
body is going through. (this is also the
case when I am getting the flu or a cold,
I feel it come on stronger minute by
minute)
I have done a grand total of 12 early PT's
in the past 4 days and they are all
positive. Today it feels like my bbs are
about to explode into flight from my chest
any moment now. lol (sorry if tmi) I
should start my period on the 18th, so I'm
planning to stop testing and just wait
until Sunday to do my next one. I know It
would show up accurate by then, especially
with me finding out so early with my other
two.
If, for some reason, these are false
positives and I have to TTC again next
month, I intend to use the pregnyl along
with the clomid. I know it is risky, but
my body reacted very well to the clomid. I
was just saying that... I plan to do this
with or without any advice on proper use
and I just hoped that I would be able to
do it WITH advice to lessen my risk of
doing something wrong like taking the
pregnyl at the wrong time. I realize the
risk involved, trust me, I do, and it
makes me a bit nervous, but there is no
way that I can possibly do this under
doctors supervision. I wish to god that
there were.
Since I realize that this is such a
controversial topic, and I honestly don't
want anyone to be offended or feel badly
towards me, I promise not to mention the
fact that I'm self-treating if I should
happen to end up with accepting a false
positive this time around.
I am so thankful that you explained how
things are around here. Now I don't feel
quite so much in the dark and far less
offended.
Hugs to all!
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PenguinsRus
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Posted: 06-10-08 18:40pm
Congrats! If you have 12 bfps, as long as
you didn't use any fertility treatments
involving hcg hormones, it's safe to say
you're pregnant! If you go to the doctor
they will draw your blood to confirm your
pregnancy and can tell you an estimate of
how far along you are. You must be so
excited after waiting so long for this!
Nine years is such a long time; what
wonderful news.