Birch
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So what's the scoop? Someone is lying...
Posted: 07-24-08 20:55pm
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Are they closed, or ain't they?
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tr> South Dakota
abortion clinic appears closed, despite
Planned Parenthood denial
Sioux Falls, Jul 24, 2008 / 05:22 pm
(CNA).- During what one pro-life advocate
called “a great week in South Dakota for
unborn children,” a Planned Parenthood
abortion clinic in Sioux Falls, South
Dakota has apparently closed. The abortion
provider on the other hand, disputes the
alleged closure.
Local pro-lifers believe that the clinic
has closed its doors because it refuses to
comply with a state informed consent law
upheld by the Eighth Circuit Court of
Appeals last month.
The South Dakota law requires any
physician who performs an abortion to
obtain “voluntary and informed written
consent” from a woman seeking an
abortion, except in cases of medical
emergency. The woman must also be provided
with information about the health risks
and legal consequences of the procedure.
The information the woman must be provided
includes the knowledge “that the
abortion will terminate the life of a
whole, separate, unique, living human
being” and “that the pregnant woman
has an existing relationship with that
unborn human being and that the
relationship enjoys protection under the
United States Constitution and under the
laws of South Dakota.” Further, she must
be informed “that by having an abortion,
her existing relationship and her existing
constitutional rights with regards to that
relationship will be terminated.”
The state law went into effect on Saturday
after an attempted injunction filed by
Planned Parenthood was rejected on July
17. A spokesman for pro-life protest
groups outside the Sioux Falls Planned
Parenthood location said that even though
women who had apparently scheduled
appointments appeared at the clinic, no
abortionists arrived.
“I think Planned Parenthood cannot
figure out a way not to comply with the
law," said Dr. Allan Unruh, a leader in
the state’s Vote Yes for Life campaign,
WorldNetDaily reports.
We don't know if they will open again," he
said. "Personally, I don't think they are
going to find any abortionists who want to
take the risk of losing their license."
Leslee Unruh, the Founder of the Alpha
Center Pregnancy Center in Sioux Falls, on
Thursday told CNA that the abortion clinic
continues to be closed. She noted that
pro-life counselors have talked with
several of the clinic clients scheduled to
have abortions this week.
“One for sure has changed her mind and
is going to have the child,” said Unruh,
who has advocated on behalf of the
informed consent legislation.
“It’s historical, it’s wonderful
what is happening. We’re hoping the
other states will follow our lead and put
the same laws in through their
legislatures that can also shut down
abortion clinics this way,” she
continued. “It’s a great week in South
Dakota for unborn children.”
However, Kathi Di Nicola, a Planned
Parenthood spokesperson based out of
Minnesota, flatly denied that the clinic
was closed.
“That is absolutely false. We are open
and committed to providing for women’s
health services in South Dakota,” she
said.
When asked whether abortion services were
still be provided at the Souix Falls
clinic, Di Nicola responded affirmatively.
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http://catholicnew
sagency.com/new.php?n=13350
I posted this because you've got a
Catholic news source saying one thing, and
PP saying the diametrically opposite.
What's the deal? Someone is lying. If
they aren't closed, and their website
doesn't indicate that, then the
individuals quoted in this press release
are 100% lying.
I think it's another tale of prolife lying
tactics taken from Paragraph 1, section A
of the prolife advocate handbook: Lie to
get the propaganda across at all costs.
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aochriss
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Posted: 07-26-08 23:10pm
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I read a book by a doctor who performs
abortions. She said her clinic did this,
too, they made it look like they weren't
open by having the staff sleep over in the
office, but they were actually open and
receiving patients.
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anniek
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Posted: 07-28-08 08:15am
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I don't live very far away from SF about 2
hours and as far as I know they are open.
I have friends who live there. I've never
heard they had closed their doors. Who
knows maybe they changed some things had
to close their doors for a little bit to
implement these changes and someone took
it as being closed for good.
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Birch
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Posted: 07-28-08 13:41pm
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| aochriss
wrote: | | I read a book by a doctor
who performs abortions. She said her
clinic did this, too, they made it look
like they weren't open by having the staff
sleep over in the office, but they were
actually open and receiving
patients. |
Hey-sous-christo. It's an [insert
expletive here] MEDICAL ESTABLISHMENT!
Obscene that in 21st century U.S. people
have to do this kind of thing.
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aochriss
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Posted: 08-05-08 14:05pm
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I agree 1 million percent.
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Few
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Posted: 08-06-08 22:04pm
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| Birch
wrote: | | aochriss
wrote: | | I read a book by a doctor
who performs abortions. She said her
clinic did this, too, they made it look
like they weren't open by having the staff
sleep over in the office, but they were
actually open and receiving
patients. |
Hey-sous-christo. It's an [insert
expletive here] MEDICAL ESTABLISHMENT!
Obscene that in 21st century U.S. people
have to do this kind of
thing. |
than what is
all the fuss over female circumcision if
that is done at medical establishments?
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motherofhighspiritedones
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Posted: 08-07-08 16:40pm
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Female circumsision is NOT done at medical
establishments. Female circumsision is
often performed in THIRD WORLD COUNTRIES
where people dont have medical
establishments. And the so-called doctors
are not really doctors, therefore you
cannot call it a medical establishment.
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Sydney123456
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Posted: 08-07-08 17:04pm
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Well, to be perfectly fair...there are
women (for example, living in America) who
have the circumsion done on the younger
females at medical establishments if they
can. A lot of establishments/docs won't
perform it though in the US.
The rest of what you say it true however;
mostly done in Africa. Frequently
performed by a member of the community of
the area; even worse, if they can't find
anything sharp, they use broken glass or
other contaminated utensils.
**Edit: I claimed it was a Muslim
practice, when really it is practiced by
many religions within Africa.
**Edit AGAIN: FRICK! I said it was
exclusively done in Africa...it's MOSTLY
done there, but also in other areas.
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motherofhighspiritedones
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Posted: 08-07-08 17:14pm
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Wow you learn something new every day. I
did not think that female circumsision was
being performed in the US!!! However, if
abortion was not available, I think
females would be subjected to just as
worse conditions (medical) by going to
unauthorized medical establishments, DIY,
etc. just to abort. That is why I do
believe that having a readily available
licensed medical staff for abortions shoud
be a necessity. So that women don't screw
themselves up by having a shady abortion
done.
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Few
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Posted: 08-07-08 19:13pm
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| motherofhighspiritedones
wrote: | | Female circumsision is NOT
done at medical establishments. Female
circumsision is often performed in THIRD
WORLD COUNTRIES where people dont have
medical establishments. And the so-called
doctors are not really doctors, therefore
you cannot call it a medical
establishment. |
someone is lying. just because
circumcision sometimes is not done at a
medical establishments does not mean
circumcision cannot or is not done at
medical establishments.
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Few
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Posted: 08-07-08 19:18pm
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| motherofhighspiritedones
wrote: | | Wow you learn something new
every day. I did not think that female
circumsision was being performed in the
US!!! However, if abortion was not
available, I think females would be
subjected to just as worse conditions
(medical) by going to unauthorized medical
establishments, DIY, etc. just to abort.
That is why I do believe that having a
readily available licensed medical staff
for abortions shoud be a necessity. So
that women don't screw themselves up by
having a shady abortion
done. |
women are not required to have abortions.
and if abortion was not available the only
thing that they would be subjected to is
the children that they are intended to
bear.
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Birch
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Posted: 08-08-08 00:04am
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The only thing female circumsision has in
common with abortion is that providers of
circumsision and prolife advocates are
both interested in the submission of the
female gender to their fantasies.
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Few
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Posted: 08-08-08 01:11am
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| Birch
wrote: | | The only thing female
circumsision has in common with abortion
is that providers of circumsision and
prolife advocates are both interested in
the submission of the female gender to
their
fantasies. |
the providers
of circumcision and the providers of
abortion are doctors. and neither of which
have anything to do with prolife
advocates.
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motherofhighspiritedones
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Posted: 08-08-08 03:02am
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| Few
wrote: | | motherofhighspiritedones
wrote: | | Wow you learn something new
every day. I did not think that female
circumsision was being performed in the
US!!! However, if abortion was not
available, I think females would be
subjected to just as worse conditions
(medical) by going to unauthorized medical
establishments, DIY, etc. just to abort.
That is why I do believe that having a
readily available licensed medical staff
for abortions shoud be a necessity. So
that women don't screw themselves up by
having a shady abortion
done. |
women are not required to have abortions.
and if abortion was not available the only
thing that they would be subjected to is
the children that they are intended to
bear. |
MOST women are also not REQUIRED to be
circumsised. And who says that a
particular woman INTENDS to bear a child.
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motherofhighspiritedones
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Posted: 08-08-08 03:04am
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| Few
wrote: | | motherofhighspiritedones
wrote: | | Female circumsision is NOT
done at medical establishments. Female
circumsision is often performed in THIRD
WORLD COUNTRIES where people dont have
medical establishments. And the so-called
doctors are not really doctors, therefore
you cannot call it a medical
establishment. |
someone is lying. just because
circumcision sometimes is not done at a
medical establishments does not mean
circumcision cannot or is not done at
medical
establishments. |
Well, no kidding? Really? Already answered
that post.
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motherofhighspiritedones
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Posted: 08-08-08 03:05am
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| Few
wrote: | | Birch
wrote: | | The only thing female
circumsision has in common with abortion
is that providers of circumsision and
prolife advocates are both interested in
the submission of the female gender to
their
fantasies. |
the providers
of circumcision and the providers of
abortion are doctors. and neither of which
have anything to do with prolife
advocates. |
NOT EVEN GOING THERE.....
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Birch
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Posted: 08-08-08 11:26am
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| Few
wrote: | | Birch
wrote: | | The only thing female
circumsision has in common with abortion
is that providers of circumsision and
prolife advocates are both interested in
the submission of the female gender to
their
fantasies. |
the providers
of circumcision and the providers of
abortion are doctors. and neither of which
have anything to do with prolife
advocates. |
I beg your pardon. The providers of
circumcision are not always doctors. For
males in the Jewish religion they are
called "mohels". Muslims use a similar
system.
Female circumsicion is never performed by
physicians and if a doctor provides such a
service they are held legally accountable
and charges are pressed.
I assert that prolife advocates and
individuals who perform FGM are both
solely interested in the submission and
prostration of women. Both wish for women
to submit to their will.
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Few
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Posted: 08-08-08 11:55am
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| Birch
wrote: | | Few
wrote: | | Birch
wrote: | | The only thing female
circumsision has in common with abortion
is that providers of circumsision and
prolife advocates are both interested in
the submission of the female gender to
their
fantasies. |
the providers
of circumcision and the providers of
abortion are doctors. and neither of which
have anything to do with prolife
advocates. |
I beg your pardon. The providers of
circumcision are not always doctors. For
males in the Jewish religion they are
called "mohels". Muslims use a similar
system.
Female circumsicion is never performed by
physicians and if a doctor provides such a
service they are held legally accountable
and charges are pressed.
I assert that prolife advocates and
individuals who perform FGM are both
solely interested in the submission and
prostration of women. Both wish for women
to submit to their
will. |
i am guessing that
you have never been to egypt where female
circumcision by medical professionals is a
farly common occurance. and how on earth
could a doctor be held legally responsible
for circumcision if circumcision is never
performed by doctors?
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Posted: 08-08-08 12:05pm
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women are not
required to have abortions. and if
abortion was not available the only thing
that they would be subjected to is the
children that they are intended to
bear. |
Who decides what children I am 'intended'
to bear?
Additionally, just because abortion isn't
legal doesn't mean women aren't still
doing it.
aochris give up some of your statistics on
this, please 
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Birch
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Posted: 08-08-08 12:22pm
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| Few
wrote: | | Birch
wrote: | | Few
wrote: | | Birch
wrote: | | The only thing female
circumsision has in common with abortion
is that providers of circumsision and
prolife advocates are both interested in
the submission of the female gender to
their
fantasies. |
the providers
of circumcision and the providers of
abortion are doctors. and neither of which
have anything to do with prolife
advocates. |
I beg your pardon. The providers of
circumcision are not always doctors. For
males in the Jewish religion they are
called "mohels". Muslims use a similar
system.
Female circumsicion is never performed by
physicians and if a doctor provides such a
service they are held legally accountable
and charges are pressed.
I assert that prolife advocates and
individuals who perform FGM are both
solely interested in the submission and
prostration of women. Both wish for women
to submit to their
will. |
i am guessing that
you have never been to egypt where female
circumcision by medical professionals is a
farly common occurance. and how on earth
could a doctor be held legally responsible
for circumcision if circumcision is never
performed by
doctors? |
I said if a physician performs
FGM/circumsicion they are prosecuted.
Much in the same way "if" a physician
performs an illegal abortion they are
prosecuted.
"I am guessing" you are not up on the news
that in 2007 Egypt banned
FGM/circumcision.
http://
news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/6251
426.stm
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