I don't understand your complains? I
always thought anti-choice activists
believed that showing pictures of aborted
fetuses was good for their cause?
It looks like a prawn, doesn't it?
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motherofhighspiritedones
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Posted: 08-11-08 17:13pm
A few statistics (and why I am prochoice)
Ectopic pregnancy occurs at a rate of 19.7
cases per 1,000 pregnancies in North
America and is a leading cause of maternal
mortality in the first trimester.
JOSIE L. TENORE, M.D., S.M.
Northwestern University Medical School,
Chicago, Illinois
What is gestational diabetes?
This is a type of diabetes that some women
develop during pregnancy. Between 2 and 7
percent of expectant mothers develop this
condition, making it one of the most
common health problems of pregnancy.
babycenter.com
How often does placenta previa occur, and
what are the symptoms?
Placenta previa occurs in about one in 200
pregnancies. Women who've had a placenta
previa in a previous pregnancy have a 4 to
8 percent chance of a recurrence. The most
common symptom of placenta previa is
painless uterine bleeding
discovery.com/health
Placenta Accreta
One out of 2,500 pregnancies will have
this attachment abnormality. Placenta
accreta is by far the most common of these
problems, accounting for 75 percent of
cases. In placenta accreta, the placenta
digs deeply into the uterine wall, but
does not pierce the uterine muscles. In
placenta increta, which accounts for 15
percent of cases, the placenta pierces the
uterine muscles.
But a woman does die of pregnancy-related
causes every minute somewhere in the world
-- more than 536,000 per year.
seattlepi.nwsource.com
Nearly 13% of all babies in the U.S. are
preemies, a 20% increase since 1990. A
2006 report by the National Academy of
Sciences found that the 550,000 preemies
born each year in the U.S. run up about
$26 billion in annual costs, mostly
related to care in NICUs.
Umbilical cord prolapse (UCP) is a rare,
obstetrical emergency that occurs when the
umbilical cord descends alongside or
beyond the fetal presenting part. It is
life threatening to the fetus since blood
flow through the umbilical vessels is
usually compromised from compression of
the cord between the fetus and the uterus,
cervix, or pelvic inlet. There are two
types of UCP:
Overt prolapse, which is the most common,
refers to protrusion of the cord in
advance of the fetal presenting part,
often through the cervical os and into or
beyond the vagina. The fetal membranes are
invariably ruptured in these cases and the
cord is visible or palpable on
examination.
Occult prolapse occurs when the cord
descends alongside, but not past, the
presenting part. It can occur with intact
or ruptured membranes. The diagnosis
should be considered in the setting of a
sudden, prolonged fetal heart rate
deceleration. An occult prolapse often
cannot be diagnosed with certainty, but is
suggested by clinical features (eg, fetal
bradycardia) and findings at cesarean
delivery.
INCIDENCE — The incidence of UCP ranges
from 0.14 to 0.62 percent and has not
changed in years [1] . However, perinatal
mortality related to UCP, which was as
high as 375 per 1000 births in the early
1900s, has fallen to between 36 and 162
per 1000 births within the past few
decades [2] . This decline is likely
secondary to significant improvements in
neonatal intensive care and immediate
delivery by cesarean birth once cord
prolapse is diagnosed.
Mothers with venereal diseases may wish to
terminate their pregnancy as so not to
infect the unborn fetus. Higher incidences
occur with AIDS patients.
All these statistics, plus the mother's
own pre conception health, add up to about
ONLY 15% of all pregnancies being
UNCOMPLICATED.
Everyone has the right to choose. Every
live person capable of thinking has the
right to choose.
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Few
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Posted: 08-11-08 17:34pm
motherofhighspiritedones
wrote:
A few statistics (and why I
am prochoice)
Ectopic pregnancy occurs at a rate of 19.7
cases per 1,000 pregnancies in North
America and is a leading cause of maternal
mortality in the first trimester.
JOSIE L. TENORE, M.D., S.M.
Northwestern University Medical School,
Chicago, Illinois
What is gestational diabetes?
This is a type of diabetes that some women
develop during pregnancy. Between 2 and 7
percent of expectant mothers develop this
condition, making it one of the most
common health problems of pregnancy.
babycenter.com
How often does placenta previa occur, and
what are the symptoms?
Placenta previa occurs in about one in 200
pregnancies. Women who've had a placenta
previa in a previous pregnancy have a 4 to
8 percent chance of a recurrence. The most
common symptom of placenta previa is
painless uterine bleeding
discovery.com/health
Placenta Accreta
One out of 2,500 pregnancies will have
this attachment abnormality. Placenta
accreta is by far the most common of these
problems, accounting for 75 percent of
cases. In placenta accreta, the placenta
digs deeply into the uterine wall, but
does not pierce the uterine muscles. In
placenta increta, which accounts for 15
percent of cases, the placenta pierces the
uterine muscles.
But a woman does die of pregnancy-related
causes every minute somewhere in the world
-- more than 536,000 per year.
seattlepi.nwsource.com
Nearly 13% of all babies in the U.S. are
preemies, a 20% increase since 1990. A
2006 report by the National Academy of
Sciences found that the 550,000 preemies
born each year in the U.S. run up about
$26 billion in annual costs, mostly
related to care in NICUs.
Umbilical cord prolapse (UCP) is a rare,
obstetrical emergency that occurs when the
umbilical cord descends alongside or
beyond the fetal presenting part. It is
life threatening to the fetus since blood
flow through the umbilical vessels is
usually compromised from compression of
the cord between the fetus and the uterus,
cervix, or pelvic inlet. There are two
types of UCP:
Overt prolapse, which is the most common,
refers to protrusion of the cord in
advance of the fetal presenting part,
often through the cervical os and into or
beyond the vagina. The fetal membranes are
invariably ruptured in these cases and the
cord is visible or palpable on
examination.
Occult prolapse occurs when the cord
descends alongside, but not past, the
presenting part. It can occur with intact
or ruptured membranes. The diagnosis
should be considered in the setting of a
sudden, prolonged fetal heart rate
deceleration. An occult prolapse often
cannot be diagnosed with certainty, but is
suggested by clinical features (eg, fetal
bradycardia) and findings at cesarean
delivery.
INCIDENCE — The incidence of UCP ranges
from 0.14 to 0.62 percent and has not
changed in years [1] . However, perinatal
mortality related to UCP, which was as
high as 375 per 1000 births in the early
1900s, has fallen to between 36 and 162
per 1000 births within the past few
decades [2] . This decline is likely
secondary to significant improvements in
neonatal intensive care and immediate
delivery by cesarean birth once cord
prolapse is diagnosed.
Mothers with venereal diseases may wish to
terminate their pregnancy as so not to
infect the unborn fetus. Higher incidences
occur with AIDS patients.
All these statistics, plus the mother's
own pre conception health, add up to about
ONLY 15% of all pregnancies being
UNCOMPLICATED.
Everyone has the right to choose. Every
live person capable of thinking has the
right to
choose.
a vast
majority of the 5 billion people on this
planet have mothers that survived
childbirth. although making up a pack of
lies to further their agenda of
slaughtering defenseless humans is a
common pro choice tactic. mortality rates
of women caused by pregnancy is
miniscule. especialy compared to the
certain death of the child from abortion.
a soldier has a far greater chance of
dying in battle than a woman ever did from
giving birth.
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motherofhighspiritedones
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Posted: 08-11-08 18:15pm
Actually I have quoted fact...and cited
where I have found the information. There
is no lying.
PS: You seem to be very undereducated.
Learn to spell. Learn to make sentences.
Then, learn to debate. Because right now,
you are not debating. You are squandering
away facts that you choose not to believe,
you are calling names, you are using
Godwin's law, just stop your offensive
trolling please. I have decided that you
and your false arguments are a waste of my
time. I shall now ignore you. Good luck
with your self righteous mission.
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Birch
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Posted: 08-11-08 18:34pm
Few
wrote:
Birch
wrote:
Few
wrote:
what is the meaning of this
vile display.
Education. The first photo is an actual
abortion at 5-6 weeks. I think it's
important that you, and others reading
your semantic ideas know exactly what you
are talking about.
The second photos was an etopic pregnancy
that would have killed the mother had it
continued. I am sure you cannot find the
termination of an etopic pregnancy vile
unless you would prefer to see the mother
die.
even if what
you say is true. how does an extremely
rare occurance justify the wanton
slaughter of millions of innocent healthy
children which is the typical abortion.
are you suggesting that because a jew was
found guilty of homicide that the nazi
holocaust is
justified?
I am showing the board visuals of what 5-6
week fetuses look like.
You are showing the board a caricature of
the prolife activist; latching on to false
analogies, dishonest tactics, denigrating
women, & the inability to be civil.
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Few
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Posted: 08-11-08 19:21pm
Birch
wrote:
Few
wrote:
Birch
wrote:
Few
wrote:
what is the meaning of this
vile display.
Education. The first photo is an actual
abortion at 5-6 weeks. I think it's
important that you, and others reading
your semantic ideas know exactly what you
are talking about.
The second photos was an etopic pregnancy
that would have killed the mother had it
continued. I am sure you cannot find the
termination of an etopic pregnancy vile
unless you would prefer to see the mother
die.
even if what
you say is true. how does an extremely
rare occurance justify the wanton
slaughter of millions of innocent healthy
children which is the typical abortion.
are you suggesting that because a jew was
found guilty of homicide that the nazi
holocaust is
justified?
I am showing the board visuals of what 5-6
week fetuses look like.
You are showing the board a caricature of
the prolife activist; latching on to false
analogies, dishonest tactics, denigrating
women, & the inability to be
civil.
suggesting that only 15%
of women survive childbirth is absurd. but
a typical prochoice lie.
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Mabel
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Posted: 08-11-08 21:26pm
Few
wrote:
Birch
wrote:
Few
wrote:
Birch
wrote:
Few
wrote:
what is the meaning of this
vile display.
Education. The first photo is an actual
abortion at 5-6 weeks. I think it's
important that you, and others reading
your semantic ideas know exactly what you
are talking about.
The second photos was an etopic pregnancy
that would have killed the mother had it
continued. I am sure you cannot find the
termination of an etopic pregnancy vile
unless you would prefer to see the mother
die.
even if what
you say is true. how does an extremely
rare occurance justify the wanton
slaughter of millions of innocent healthy
children which is the typical abortion.
are you suggesting that because a jew was
found guilty of homicide that the nazi
holocaust is
justified?
I am showing the board visuals of what 5-6
week fetuses look like.
You are showing the board a caricature of
the prolife activist; latching on to false
analogies, dishonest tactics, denigrating
women, & the inability to be
civil.
suggesting that only 15%
of women survive childbirth is absurd. but
a typical prochoice
lie.
Please show us your facts. Show us YOUR
statistics. Show us something that may
make your debate a little stronger because
right now, you are looking like an
anti-choice loon.
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AyaMiyaki
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Posted: 08-11-08 21:34pm
Few
wrote:
suggesting that only 15% of
women survive childbirth is absurd. but a
typical prochoice
lie.
Perhaps you should learn to read (and
understand what you've read) before you
type.
motherofhighspiritedones
wrote:
All these statistics, plus
the mother's own pre conception health,
add up to about ONLY 15% of all
pregnancies being
UNCOMPLICATED.
Do you understand the difference between a
complication and maternal death?
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Posted: 08-11-08 22:27pm
AyaMiyaki
wrote:
Few
wrote:
suggesting that only 15% of
women survive childbirth is absurd. but a
typical prochoice
lie.
Perhaps you should learn to read (and
understand what you've read) before you
type.
motherofhighspiritedones
wrote:
All these statistics, plus
the mother's own pre conception health,
add up to about ONLY 15% of all
pregnancies being
UNCOMPLICATED.
Do you understand the difference between a
complication and maternal
death?
i understand that
imminent maternal death is the only just
cause for abortion. and all other
complicatons are have no relevance to
abortion.
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AyaMiyaki
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Posted: 08-12-08 07:59am
So in other words, you CAN'T read, can
you? You said pro-choice says only 15% of
mothers survive childbirth, and yet the
person you quoted said only 15% of mothers
have uncomplicated pregnancies. Since a
complicated pregnancy does not equal
death, you were WRONG, sir.
And many other pro-lifers would argue with
you about death being a just cause for
abortion. They would expect the mother to
bite the bullet and die for their child.
Thank God they're not in charge of the
rules, yeah? I wouldn't want a stranger
deciding what my life is worth.
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Darkmoon
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Posted: 08-12-08 08:01am
But you're just a woman and your right to
live is trivial compared to their right to
dictate your sex live.
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AyaMiyaki
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Posted: 08-12-08 08:08am
Which is why I'm glad the laws are
pro-choice.
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Birch
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Posted: 08-12-08 10:40am
Few
wrote:
Birch
wrote:
Few
wrote:
Birch
wrote:
Few
wrote:
what is the meaning of this
vile display.
Education. The first photo is an actual
abortion at 5-6 weeks. I think it's
important that you, and others reading
your semantic ideas know exactly what you
are talking about.
The second photos was an etopic pregnancy
that would have killed the mother had it
continued. I am sure you cannot find the
termination of an etopic pregnancy vile
unless you would prefer to see the mother
die.
even if what
you say is true. how does an extremely
rare occurance justify the wanton
slaughter of millions of innocent healthy
children which is the typical abortion.
are you suggesting that because a jew was
found guilty of homicide that the nazi
holocaust is
justified?
I am showing the board visuals of what 5-6
week fetuses look like.
You are showing the board a caricature of
the prolife activist; latching on to false
analogies, dishonest tactics, denigrating
women, & the inability to be
civil.
suggesting that only 15%
of women survive childbirth is absurd. but
a typical prochoice
lie.
No one suggested that. Or came close.
Did you convert anyone to prolife with
that lie?
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Birch
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Posted: 08-12-08 17:12pm
And this^ person thinks they have the
ability to make decisions for millions of
women. Ridiculous. Egocentric.
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Few
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Posted: 08-12-08 18:28pm
AyaMiyaki
wrote:
Which is why I'm glad the
laws are
pro-choice.
how is getting drafted
and being forced to fight and die so that
women can kill their babies with abortions
pro-choice?
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Birch
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Posted: 08-12-08 19:24pm
I oppose selective service. It is not
prochoice.
The draft was dismembered in 1973 by the
way.
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AyaMiyaki
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Posted: 08-12-08 20:15pm
Few
wrote:
AyaMiyaki
wrote:
Which is why I'm glad the
laws are
pro-choice.
how is getting drafted
and being forced to fight and die so that
women can kill their babies with abortions
pro-choice?
Abortion laws are pro-choice, genius. And
the draft hasn't been used in decades -
longer than abortion laws have been
active. Get your facts straight before you
quote me.
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motherofhighspiritedones
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Posted: 08-12-08 21:00pm
AyaMiyaki
wrote:
Few
wrote:
AyaMiyaki
wrote:
Which is why I'm glad the
laws are
pro-choice.
how is getting drafted
and being forced to fight and die so that
women can kill their babies with abortions
pro-choice?
Abortion laws are pro-choice, genius. And
the draft hasn't been used in decades -
longer than abortion laws have been
active. Get your facts straight before you
quote me.
Lol
soldiers are NOT drafted to fight and die
so women can kill their babies. They are
drafted to fight for our country. And I am
actually anti-draft as well. I think it
should be a choice.
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Posted: 08-12-08 22:33pm
motherofhighspiritedones
wrote:
AyaMiyaki
wrote:
Few
wrote:
AyaMiyaki
wrote:
Which is why I'm glad the
laws are
pro-choice.
how is getting drafted
and being forced to fight and die so that
women can kill their babies with abortions
pro-choice?
Abortion laws are pro-choice, genius. And
the draft hasn't been used in decades -
longer than abortion laws have been
active. Get your facts straight before you
quote me.
Lol
soldiers are NOT drafted to fight and die
so women can kill their babies. They are
drafted to fight for our country. And I am
actually anti-draft as well. I think it
should be a
choice.
you said you are glad the laws
are pro-choice. but the laws requiring men
to register for the draft are not
pro-choice. and neither are the laws that
require men to fight and die if they are
drafted pro-choice. and if they are
fighting for our country and our country
allows women to kill babies. how are they
not drafted to fight and die so that women
can kill their babies?
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motherofhighspiritedones
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Posted: 08-13-08 04:41am
Few
wrote:
motherofhighspiritedones
wrote:
AyaMiyaki
wrote:
Few
wrote:
AyaMiyaki
wrote:
Which is why I'm glad the
laws are
pro-choice.
how is getting drafted
and being forced to fight and die so that
women can kill their babies with abortions
pro-choice?
Abortion laws are pro-choice, genius. And
the draft hasn't been used in decades -
longer than abortion laws have been
active. Get your facts straight before you
quote me.
Lol
soldiers are NOT drafted to fight and die
so women can kill their babies. They are
drafted to fight for our country. And I am
actually anti-draft as well. I think it
should be a
choice.
you said you are glad the laws
are pro-choice. but the laws requiring men
to register for the draft are not
pro-choice. and neither are the laws that
require men to fight and die if they are
drafted pro-choice. and if they are
fighting for our country and our country
allows women to kill babies. how are they
not drafted to fight and die so that women
can kill their
babies?
LEARN TO READ: She said ABORTION LAWS ARE
PRO-CHOICE. We both stated that we are
anti-draft. I said that I think it should
be a choice. They are not drafted to fight
and die because there has not been a DRAFT
around for ages. WHY do you insist on
misreading things, then insult those whom
you don't agree with? Why can't you JUST
DROP IT? Oh, and by the way, I do not know
if you heard or not, there is NO DRAFT.
However there is a Selective Services
Draft, which both males and females can
sign up for, IF THEY WISH TO.