When she got
pregnant anyway only to suffer a
miscarriage, which they attribute to the
birth control pills, the couple felt that
they had taken a child’s life. They
prayed for forgiveness and for as many
children as God decided to give
them.
The ignorance in this statement is
astounding. They killed a lot more
embryos while they were conceiving their
17 kids than when she was on the pill.
The average rate of implantation failures
and miscarriages is over 80%, so for every
successful birth, many fertilized eggs and
embryos died.
When she was on the pill she didn't
ovulate, so there were no eggs to get
fertilized and therefor no fertilized eggs
failing to implant.
Here is the saddest part of this family:
Quote:
With so many children, there is a sign-up
list in the kitchen for children who feel
they need one-on-one time with a
parent.
I wonder how many children can tell when
they need one on one
time?
That is terribly sad. It's seems almost
liable; the neglect possibilities. I
wonder if the older kids do alot of
parenting?
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cmyked
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The children don't seem sad, so who do you
think you are to judge them? If it is a
choice to kill every child you conceive,
it is a choice to give birth to them.
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i had strong opinions on this till it happened to me Posted: 07-08-08 22:32pm
its easy to form an opinion on this touchy
subject. its ironic how talking about it
and facing it are 2 different things. i
have learned from going through this most
difficult decision not to judge others
until you walk in their shoes. the whole
situation made me question who i was and
what i believed in. chosing pro life does
not make you a better person, supporting
abortion rights does not make you
heartless. there is no easy solution to
an unwanted pregnancy. i hope those that
have never been in the situation can keep
an open mind and be careful not to judge.
you just might find yourself tested by a
similar situation someday.
i see it from both sides, but i remain
pro-choice, because that's exactly what it
is...a choice.
regardless of how you got pregnant, if you
feel you are ready for the responsibility
of a child, then please keep it. but if
you aren't, i'm glad i live in a country
where you at least have other options.
rather than debating whether abortion is
right or not (because everyone will always
have different opinions) i think it's
important to focus on PREVENTING the
situation all together.
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Lesser of two evils Posted: 10-01-08 14:01pm
No doubt abortion is NOT, good sexual
restraint a virtue, but in some
circumstances abortion maybe the LESSER of
two evils and the Mother is the best judge
of when abortion may be the lesser of the
two evils.
CASE 1)If the family already has 2 or more
children and can not pay for the education
or medical care of an unplanned for child
and can not give the time and attention to
another child to prevent it from slipping
into evil ways and becoming a drug addict
and dangerous gang member.(now days many
parents prefer home schooling because the
chances of a child joining a gang or
becoming a drug addict or criminal are so
high) If the mother has an unplanned child
she may not be able to properly raise ANY
of her children and all three may turn out
to be a liability to society rather than
an asset. All mothers want their children
to be assets to society not crimminals.The
mother is the best judge of how many
children she can give necesssary love and
attention to.Why endanger the planned
children's future for the sake of an
unplanned children?
Case two 2)An unmarried woman is a
criminal and drug addict and is in the
society of drug addicts. This woman does
not want or love the child and the child
if allowed to grow up on the street it
would likely jion a gang ,or get into
drugs or pornography and possibly
influence other children to do the same
and wind up costing society alot of tax
dollars by being award of state in
prison.Again the Mother is the best judge
of wether she would raise the child and
what kind of chances it would have.
Yes Abortion is EVIL but we live in a
world where we have to be very careful
that we do NOT choose an even greater
evil. God is love and God would give the
soul of a fetus who had been aborted
another chance in the womb of a mother who
would love and raise the Child to love and
serve God a(also the population of the
world will double by 2050!! then there
would not be enough trees so many more
would have to be cut! Isnt the planet
deforested as it is? Which is the LESSER
evil?
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Posted: 10-01-08 16:59pm
a human fetus is a level of development of
a unique individuals continuous lifespan.
once that individual is killed by whatever
method or at whatever level of development
he or she is permanently gone and cannot
be brought back to life in some other
form.
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Re: Lesser of two evils Posted: 10-01-08 21:46pm
KLMcKennzie
wrote:
No doubt abortion is NOT,
good sexual restraint a virtue, but in
some circumstances abortion maybe the
LESSER of two evils and the Mother is the
best judge of when abortion may be the
lesser of the two evils.
CASE 1)If the family already has 2 or more
children and can not pay for the education
or medical care of an unplanned for child
and can not give the time and attention to
another child to prevent it from slipping
into evil ways and becoming a drug addict
and dangerous gang member.(now days many
parents prefer home schooling because the
chances of a child joining a gang or
becoming a drug addict or criminal are so
high) If the mother has an unplanned child
she may not be able to properly raise ANY
of her children and all three may turn out
to be a liability to society rather than
an asset. All mothers want their children
to be assets to society not crimminals.The
mother is the best judge of how many
children she can give necesssary love and
attention to.Why endanger the planned
children's future for the sake of an
unplanned children?
How do you assume that because a child is
born in poorer conditions he/she will turn
into a criminal? My parents were raised
very poor (not even a toilet in the house)
and they became people of good. Meanwhile
my brother was a planned baby and
everything was given to him, time and
attention and he became a drug addict (and
died) even after graduating with honors
from a great college with an engineering
degree. Your assumption is by all means
ridiculous and this I can tell you by
first hand seeing it.
KLMcKennzie
wrote:
Case two 2)An unmarried woman is a
criminal and drug addict and is in the
society of drug addicts. This woman does
not want or love the child and the child
if allowed to grow up on the street it
would likely jion a gang ,or get into
drugs or pornography and possibly
influence other children to do the same
and wind up costing society alot of tax
dollars by being award of state in
prison.Again the Mother is the best judge
of wether she would raise the child and
what kind of chances it would have.
Again you are assuming the baby is born
and nobody will notice the abuse and
social services will never come to action.
Actually in tv they did showed of a woman
who gave birth prematurely due to drug
abuse. Social services was going to take
of the baby but the woman actually got
inspired to be with the baby and went to
rehab and got her life straightened up so
she could keep the baby.
God, since you mentioned Him has told us
to respect the human life and not kill it.
So it's not like God will take the souls
of the aborted to put them into other
babies. Whatever church who has told you
this certainly is delisuional and you can
advice them to read the bible so they
learn the Thruth.
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Posted: 10-03-08 12:21pm
phlem
wrote:
a human fetus is a level of
development of a unique individuals
continuous
lifespan.
No, it's not. It is a part of embryonic
development. Human development begins at
birth. This is why our birthdays mark the
beginning of our lifespans, for example.
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Re: Lesser of two evils Posted: 10-03-08 12:29pm
nightangel73
wrote:
God, since you mentioned Him has told us
to respect the human life and not kill it.
So it's not like God will take the souls
of the aborted to put them into other
babies. Whatever church who has told you
this certainly is delisuional and you can
advice them to read the bible so they
learn the
Thruth.
So the souls of dead embryos go directly
to heaven and have eternal life, bypassing
all of the trials and tribulations of
Earth. Also, they are guaranteed to go to
heaven where as if they are born, they
might sin and end up in hell.
(Heaven must be a weird place, since
embryos out number people 10 o 1 there,
because so many embryos die before they
implant.)
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Posted: 10-03-08 14:52pm
aochriss
wrote:
phlem
wrote:
a human fetus is a level of
development of a unique individuals
continuous
lifespan.
No, it's not. It is a part of embryonic
development. Human development begins at
birth. This is why our birthdays mark the
beginning of our lifespans, for
example.
Human development begins at birth? Are you
kidding? Exactly what species were we when
we were in the womb? How did our DNA
change from the womb to the outside of the
womb? How was it that we WEREN'T an embryo
or fetus? Is that possible?
Some cultures DO count womb life as part
of our lifespans.
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Posted: 10-03-08 15:21pm
NeutralUsername
wrote:
aochriss
wrote:
phlem
wrote:
a human fetus is a level of
development of a unique individuals
continuous
lifespan.
No, it's not. It is a part of embryonic
development. Human development begins at
birth. This is why our birthdays mark the
beginning of our lifespans, for
example.
Human development begins at birth? Are you
kidding? Exactly what species were we when
we were in the womb? How did our DNA
change from the womb to the outside of the
womb? How was it that we WEREN'T an embryo
or fetus? Is that possible?
Some cultures DO count womb life as part
of our
lifespans.
Just as some don't
Unique in the early years still it starts
to follow society and try to live up to an
image, then it becomes John or Jane doe.
A concsious is in place at birth, although
devoplment happens throughout the
pregnancy....
We have to tak into consideration that an
adult and child are two different people,
an adult can drink and a child cannot (in
regards to alcohol.)
