i was at the hospital today visiting a
friend that works there. i used to
volunteer at hospitals visiting terminally
ill patients because there were so few
people who wanted to visit them. one of
the things i found saddest of all was
their lonliness because of friends and
familys' unwillingness to visit them
because they didn't want to deal with
death.
i don't remember ever not knowing about
death and i have very early memories of
seeing people in caskets and knowing they
were dead. in my culture, death is very
matter of fact. we don't let the body sit
unattended until it is buried completely
and the burial itself is done by the
family and community, not by a
gravedigger. it's not like most people
are used to; walking away from the body
before it is buried or just having it
incinerated. i don't think any of this
ever impacted me in a negative way. if
anything it made me better able to deal
with people who are dying and with my own
and others' grief when someone loved dies.
i will probably be the same way with my
child or children but i know it is not
common and most people hide it from their
kids. god willing i will not have to deal
with the issue for a long time, but when i
do, i think i will deal with it in the
same, matter of fact way that my mother
did.
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Birch
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Posted: 07-16-07 17:51pm
What culture are you from, kaerbear? I
think you may have mentioned it before but
I can't remember.
That volunteer experience sounds very
fullfilling. Did you enjoy it?
I think some adults "hide" death from
their children because they have not
learned how to deal with it, either.
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kaerbear
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Posted: 07-16-07 17:59pm
i'm cree from northern manitoba. i'm glad
i volunteered to do that and i want to do
it again but it was really sad sometimes
when they were missing their families
especially. the thing that really got to
me was that they would want to see the
children in the family and the parents
wouldn't allow it. it just felt like that
person had already been thrown away
because they were dying. and yet,
children can be so carefree and
compassionate to someone who is ill, they
can't help but be cheered up by them.
my fiancee's uncle just died a week ago.
i had never had the chance to meet him
because he lived in vancouver and was in a
wheelchair so he couldn't travel much (he
had ms). but when i talked to my
fiancee's brother about it he seemed so
angry about it. i think some people just
get very angry about death because it's
something out of our control.
i don't know what has me thinking about
this today.
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Tylanas
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Posted: 07-16-07 18:52pm
My first sort of experience with death was
brief; my great grandmother was slowly
starving herself to death. I only saw her
once or twice a year, but I knew even at
that young age what death was. I guess
being an army brat kind of makes knowledge
of death an important issue... since my
father could have died. He didn't thank
god.
When I was a freshman in high-school, my
grandpa died. We were in the house for his
last week of life. He wasted away due to
several conditions and complications, so
we knew it was coming. It was hard, but a
big relief that his suffering was finally
over. He died in his sleep in the house.
My uncle who I didn't know well died when
I was a senior. That funeral was odd,
heh... I was able to walk up and see my
grandpa, but for some reason I couldn't
bring myself to stare at the dead body of
an uncle I didn't know well.
This past December, my other grandpa died.
It was sudden; Aortic Embolism or
something or other... Basically the huge
artery that runs down a person's back, got
a hernia on it, like a balloon... it
didn't burst. But he'd always had weak
kidneys due to polio as a child, and so
they didn't turn on after the surgery was
done. My grandmother had him removed from
life support four days later. Christmas
happened during all of this, and my
birthday. Talk about sucky!!! I sat with
him in the hospital, though I never saw
him regain consciousness. I guess he did,
the first morning after the operation, and
squeezed my mom's hand...
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bernibaby86
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Joined: 11 Jun 2007 Posts: 186 Location: Pennsylvania
Posted: 07-16-07 19:07pm
I didnt really know much about death when
my Grandmother on my dad's side passed
away. that happened when i was only 3 or 4
years old. When my grandmother on my mom's
side was ill with breast cancer, i knew
about death b/c then i was 8 years old. i
afraid was to be around her by myself b/c
she was dying. She was on hospice and used
a hospital bed. It hurt to see her that
way. She eventually passed away. Then just
a few months later my dad was diagnosed
with lung cancer and he shortly passed
away. I've dealt with the death of my
loved ones by expressing my emotions.
Allowing the tears to flow. I still think
about them everyday. There are even some
times that i still cry. I had the support
of my family members, friends and even the
support from my elementary school I went
to at the time. my family and I all tried
to stick together and make it through. I
feel bad for my mom cuz she has dreams
that she is remarrying my father all over
again. Geez....I'm starting to cry just
thinking about my family whom moved on to
another life in heaven.
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HcoBrunette06
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Posted: 07-16-07 19:25pm
i regret reading the first couple posts of
this thread, i think im one of those
people who has a hard time dealing with
death, although i would never ever ever
leave my mother or any of my family or
friends to die alone.
im crying reading about you visiting those
people whos families didn't come visit
them, that's so horrible.
i had a huge experience with death back in
november and another terrifying experience
a week later with my grandma and i thought
she was going to die and it was one of the
most crazy/stressful times ever. i've
never been that close to someone who died
(we werent close but he lived with me) and
that was the first time i ever had to
experience staying at the hospital at all
hours of the night, sleeping on the
hospital floor afraid to close my eyes
because i was afraid that when i opened
them it'd be because people were sobbing
and telling me that he was gone, and then
watching my family cry for days and weeks
and plan a funeral.
im terrified of death, bleh.
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Tylanas
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Posted: 07-16-07 19:27pm
My family is very stoic... we don't cry
often, and when we do, we do it in small
groups. We don't do public displays of
explosive emotion... We're emotional
people, we just don't do it in public.
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Bratz72
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Posted: 07-16-07 23:11pm
I too used to volunteer on the pallative
care ward ...i was only supposed to go
once a week but i chose too go alot more
....it was hard the first few times and it
never got easier but i felt better inside
knowing that i was able too put a smile on
alot of peoples faces the last lil while
they had here with us ....i know alot of
people are unable too emotionally do it
...but its one thing i never will regret.
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Magical Logic
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Posted: 07-17-07 05:48am
i had to deal with death at 14 when my mom
died.i was very upset that my dad and
family decided to have a party. At that
time i just thought it was messed up. but
at that time is when my dad started the
playing favorites with my brothers. i no
longer had my mother to stick up for me.
At 14 i did not know how to handle my
anger about death. i was just so angery
and it seemed like my father did not care.
His way of dealing with me since i was so
mad was he had me put in a mental
instution.i had to stay for a week.
by the way 6 months after my mother passed
away i had a new step mom...... my mothers
older sister....just one of the many
reasons why i hate my father.
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tigresacanela24
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Posted: 07-18-07 18:06pm
i don't think it's good to shelter
children from death or to shelter them
from seeing grief after a death. i have
an extremely large family i have 8 aunts
and uncles on my mother's side alone so it
seems like someone is always dying. i
would have said that had a good idea of
how to handle death until my mother died.
nothing ever prepares you for something
like that, no matter how old you are. as
far as leaving someone to die alone, that
is just cruel! I camped out in the
hospital with my mother for three days not
knowing that she was already dead. When
they would let us go back to see her I
wouldn't leave until they made me because
she was my mother and she would never have
left me alone. Trust me, I was petrified
that I'd have to watch her die. I don't
understand how anyone could be so uncaring
that they would let their fear of seeing
someone die keep them away so that their
loved one dies alone. Even though she was
already dead I was still there to hold her
hand when they took her off of life
support. People that would do any less
are selfish in the extreme.
I have a question for any and all of
you...
How did you(or how will you) explain to
your children the cycle of life?
Will you sugar coat it?
For many years, i truly believed a cloud
would float down and pick me up. That's
how i'd get to Heaven. I think i
appreciate those days a lot more. I loved
being young and naive.
Unlike me, my children won't get the sweet
fairytale ending. Even if i wanted to,
with everything they learn around them,
it's almost impossible.
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Tylanas
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It wasn't sugar coated for me. Someone
posted ages ago the book I actually
learned with; it taught me of how animals,
plants, birds and humans reproduce. I was
5. I wanted to know, so my parents told me
with the help of that book. I went "Oh,
okay!" and was far ahead of most kids for
years and years.
As for death, I knew bugs and stuff died
when you squished them, and so I didn't do
that often. I was a very aware child. I
knew people died when they got sick or old
or hurt. My hamster died and I was sad;
but the death that truly angered me when I
was in 3rd grade was my puppy. I lost my
faith in God at that point; that was also
around the time I learned that Santa
wasn't real. I'd begun to suspect, but
peeking and seeing my dad putting together
one of my toys solidified that. It didn't
upset me, but the puppy did.
So I think the death of my puppy really
taught me how final and sad death can be
when you truly care about the person (or
animal). It taught me life really isn't
fair sometimes.
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Katrinadoodle
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Posted: 01-20-08 06:12am
My first experience with death was when my
Geegee (great-grandpa) died when I was 7.
I don't remember how my mom dealt with
that one though... all I remember is
sitting on the pew at the funeral and
being so ticked because my butt fell
asleep And
I remember following the hearse to the
grave, and then coming home and crying
when I looked at the ceramic dove he gave
me.
My first REAL experience with it happened
two weekends ago when one of my best
friends died in a bus crash. That is and
was really hard.
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Beline
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Posted: 04-10-08 00:21am
Kearbear, you are an inspiration to me. I
try and be the best possible person I can
be, but it seems that it just comes
naturally for you.
Katrina, I am so sorry to hear about your
loss. Nothing that bad has ever happened
to me, and I can't even try to imagine
what you are going through. Hang in there.