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Posted: 07-18-07 12:25pm
Marfa2107
wrote:
i just wanted to say
something about the "ignoring" and
"negative punishment"
I know a kid who was never punished for
anything he did. His parents always bailed
him out of whatever trouble he got into
and it was never his fault.
he wrecked his car, it was not his fault
and they ignored that he was disobeying
the law..
He got so many traffic violations that he
was in court and if he got one more
speeding ticket he was getitng his license
suspended for 6 months.
but because he did not know consequences
for his actions, and the night after he
went to court he was speeding (with 5
other boys in the truck with him) and a
cop saw him. Not thinking of anything but
not getting his license taken away and
knowing that his parents would bail him
out if anything happened he ran from the
cops.
This chase ended the life of my best
friend, because this boy did not
understand that he too had consequences in
life..
I will never ignore my childs behavior...
ever... because of things like this..
sorry that is just my personal
experience... but i know it happens
everyday
O.o
please read what i say more carefully. I
never said to ignore your child's behavior
completely. You must inform your child
what is right or wrong, yes there should
be consequences. But yet again, i'm
pointing out the tantrums, the
attention-seeking behavior. Not the
innocence of a child that should be guided
into safety.
As for the kid, the parents shoulda let
the kid know what was wrong and right.
What happens. Carefully explain. I'm all
for consequences, just not yellin or
hitting. But calmy positively inforcing.
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pronetoillness
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Posted: 07-18-07 12:27pm
sillyakchick
wrote:
Obviously you can't ignore
some behavior. You have to pick your
battles. Some things are best left
ignored if they are attention seeking
behavior. If you don't pay attention to
it, the child will learn that is not an
effective way to get your attention.
For example: Let's say your kid is in the
back seat of the car kicking your seat to
get your attention. You can say "Gee, if
you want my attention, then you need to
use words to let me know what you are
needing. If you kick my seat, I will not
respond to you". And then, don't respond
to it. You will have to grit your teeth a
bit here, because it will drive you nuts.
Eventually the child will notice that they
don't get any attention for this.
Obviously, you can't ignore a child
running into the street. That has to be
met with different consequences becuase it
is not attention-seeking behavior. It is
dangerous.
We need to remember that discipline and
punishment are not the same thing.
Discipline refers to the manner in which
we raise our children and the structure we
set for them. These are the guidelines
for behavior. What I have found is that
natural consequences are very effective in
altering behavior, as well as stating
expectations. Children function best when
the consequences for their actions are
predictable and consistent.
For example: If i tell my child to pick
up her toys in the yard so that I can mow
after lunch and she does not do it, then
barbie dolls get their heads mowed over by
the lawn mower. "Look, I see that your
toys did not get picked up, and as a
result, they were ruined by the lawn
mower. I am so sorry that happened".
Another Example: We are going to the
store, and while we are there I expect you
to sit in the cart and behave yourself.
That means no yelling, and no telling me
"I want, I want". If you can remember
this, then we will go to the park
afterward" The child knows what is
expected.
My biggest problem is caving in to tears.
I hate it when y children cry, but I
really have to remember to stick to my
guns, or discipline is ineffective.
This is what works for
me.
beautifully said my dear. Sucks that
english is my third language! haha..
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Re: What? Posted: 07-18-07 13:35pm
tigresacanela24
wrote:
I'm kind of on the fence about the
allowance issue. I think that an
allowance is a good tool for instilling a
good work ethic and financial
responsibility in children. But I also
think that as they get older it creates a
"mercenary" (for lack of a better word)
mindset. I think the majority of children
with allowances grow up expecting to be
paid for everything that they do. I think
I would also have some chores that I
expected to be done without payment in
addition to the paying ones to teach
personal and familial responsibility.
To the original issue of discipline, I'll
just say I was raised the old fashioned
way and I turned out to be a law-abiding,
responsible, productive citizen. And if
it was good enough for me then it's good
enough for my
son.
I can see your point of children growing
up to expect to be paid for everything
they do. It would kinda lead to them not
doing things for free like giving their
time to charity or something. That makes
sense.
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kaerbear
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Posted: 07-18-07 13:53pm
this is off topic but it is soo cute i had
to mention it. my mom took my sister and
niece up north to my aunt's for a couple
of weeks. my aunt has a little coffee
shop and she is very overworked so they
went to help her out for a while. they
have been super busy because there are a
bunch of construction crew men that come
there every day for dinner. my niece is 7
years old and she was helping clear
tables. one of the guys asked her if she
worked there and she said (so serious)
"yeah, my job is to pick up dishes and get
tips". haha. the construction guys all
think she's so funny. apparently she's
been talking them up and providing some
entertaining conversation. oh, and
getting tips, lol.
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pronetoillness
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Posted: 07-18-07 21:22pm
kaerbear
wrote:
this is off topic but it is
soo cute i had to mention it. my mom took
my sister and niece up north to my aunt's
for a couple of weeks. my aunt has a
little coffee shop and she is very
overworked so they went to help her out
for a while. they have been super busy
because there are a bunch of construction
crew men that come there every day for
dinner. my niece is 7 years old and she
was helping clear tables. one of the guys
asked her if she worked there and she said
(so serious) "yeah, my job is to pick up
dishes and get tips". haha. the
construction guys all think she's so
funny. apparently she's been talking them
up and providing some entertaining
conversation. oh, and getting tips,
lol.
aww she's sounds so charming..
you better keep an eye on her!
a 5 year old getting an
allowence?
correct me if i misread please.. haha...
Well when I say allowance, I am talking
about a dollar or two. Something that she
can put in her piggy bank and save. I
wasn't talking about a real allowance.
Her chores are like bringing her plate to
the sink and putting her clotes and toys
away and making her bed. Little
stuf.
i see.. hmm..
well my main concern that she might demand
more.. and then she might value money too
much? I don't 5 year olds should be
tainted with the knowledge of moneys
worth. Reward her with something else
instead of money, kids don't really care
about that stuff except for the fact that
it's shiney. Something more valuable to
them... ? toys? candy? videos?
*shrugs*
it is good to get them to understand money
at a young age, and that you earn it , its
not just given to you, like sometimes you
may be at the store and they see a toy
they really really want and you can
explain to them doing certain chores like
bringing there plate in the kitchen can
earn them say 50 cents and they can save
up for that toy they want by helping out
int he house. This is what i plan on doing
for my kids when they get alittle older to
understand what money is and not trying to
eat it. Whent hey earn the money they
wanted for the toy they want then you can
take them to the store to buy it and have
them count there money and pay for it. I
think thats a healthy way for an allowance
at sucha young age, they arent jsut
getting handed money they are earning it .
So then when they are older they can see
that you have to have a job etc to earn
money for things you want or need you dont
just get it handed to you.
Do any of you have problems with your
significant other having a different
parenting style then you? Jason has ways
of disciplining and i have a totally
different way. He likes to give spankings
im against them in most instances unless
eh does something like bite me then i
smack his hand and tell him you dont bite
people. Now that jasons gone i can do it
my way but joseph doesnt listen to me like
he does to jason but sometimes he knows
when he does something bad and he will go
int he corner himself and cry and when he
is done whining and crying he comes out.
But its hard to get him to stop doing bad
things, i can say joseph stop ina normal
voice he doesnt listen i can scream it
still nothing. I remove him from the
situation and he flips his lid and throws
tantrums. sometimes he does it in public
too like burger king yesterday he kept
tryint to run out the door and id pick him
up and hed scream and kick, its hard to
leave the room when hes doing that and i
have jordynne in her infant seat as well
so i try and calm him down but it doesnt
always work. trying to move him from the
situation and provide something else to
occupy him works alot of the time. Its
just soooooo hard because he hardly
listens to me at all when jason leaves and
he has worse behavior when jason is gone
as well. Im open for any ideas hes only 2 so he
doesnt completely understand things like
doing something like the red light green
light thing though,.
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Posted: 07-27-07 08:52am
tinkinpink84
wrote:
Do any of you have problems
with your significant other having a
different parenting style then you? Jason
has ways of disciplining and i have a
totally different way. He likes to give
spankings im against them in most
instances unless eh does something like
bite me then i smack his hand and tell him
you dont bite people. Now that jasons gone
i can do it my way but joseph doesnt
listen to me like he does to jason but
sometimes he knows when he does something
bad and he will go int he corner himself
and cry and when he is done whining and
crying he comes out. But its hard to get
him to stop doing bad things, i can say
joseph stop ina normal voice he doesnt
listen i can scream it still nothing. I
remove him from the situation and he flips
his lid and throws tantrums. sometimes he
does it in public too like burger king
yesterday he kept tryint to run out the
door and id pick him up and hed scream and
kick, its hard to leave the room when hes
doing that and i have jordynne in her
infant seat as well so i try and calm him
down but it doesnt always work. trying to
move him from the situation and provide
something else to occupy him works alot of
the time. Its just soooooo hard because he
hardly listens to me at all when jason
leaves and he has worse behavior when
jason is gone as well. Im open for any
ideas hes only 2 so he
doesnt completely understand things like
doing something like the red light green
light thing
though,.
Oh dear! Have a cocktail and it will seem
all better! LOL
I will dream up some intelligent advice,
but work is busy right now!
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tnmommy
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Posted: 10-18-07 21:48pm
My parents always done 3 things with us
1.) a weekly allowance that was split in
1/2 part of it for savings and part of it
for "spending" just for being a kid
2.) Made us do chores that we would not
get paid for. Putting our dish in the
sink, picking up our toys, making sure the
dog had water. small jobs.
3.) chores for extra money or rewards
which the value of it went up as we aged
too but that was only if they chose to do
so. they would write down a list of
"extra" chores that we could do by choice
for extra cash at the end of the week.
That started when we was about 5 or 6
years old and that was a really good thing
for them to have done for us because it
taught us 1.) it's ok to be a kid even
when we have our bad days. 2.) taught us
that every family member has their own
things that must be done 3.) it also
taught us that if we wanted something more
then what they was already giving us that
like them we had to earn our "extra"
money.
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Lisagirl1
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Posted: 12-10-07 21:51pm
Well personally i think the chart is a
very good and positive method! My son is
only 17 months old so we dont have to
worry about disciplining yet but my cousin
is 9 and he acts out alot, he said the
other day when we brought up the same
chart that they use at his school he
said... "i dont care! put me on red! it
wont stop me from being bad! you cant tell
me what to do cuz i will do whatever i
want!" sounds like a brat huh? well she is
young enough that i think it will effect
her more abd money? man! that is an even
bigger insentive to be good!!! hahaha hope
this helped!
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Posted: 12-10-07 22:13pm
That's the type of child where I
personally feel one gentle spanking can do
wonders. She doesn't feel like anyone is
ever going to punish her in a way that's
actually going to matter. She has nothing
to fear.
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Posted: 02-23-08 17:08pm
Lisagirl1
wrote:
Well personally i think the
chart is a very good and positive method!
My son is only 17 months old so we dont
have to worry about disciplining yet but
my cousin is 9 and he acts out alot, he
said the other day when we brought up the
same chart that they use at his school he
said... "i dont care! put me on red! it
wont stop me from being bad! you cant tell
me what to do cuz i will do whatever i
want!" sounds like a brat huh? well she is
young enough that i think it will effect
her more abd money? man! that is an even
bigger insentive to be good!!! hahaha hope
this helped!
Eiri
wrote:
That's the type of child
where I personally feel one gentle
spanking can do wonders. She doesn't feel
like anyone is ever going to punish her in
a way that's actually going to matter. She
has nothing to
fear.
You know what's funny? I am adamantly
opposed to spanking for any reason, but I
agree this kid needs a good one!
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Posted: 02-23-08 18:50pm
I have a 9yr old step son and he knows if
I have to tell him more than twice to stop
doing something, I will spank his butt. I
was spanked as a child and I find nothing
wrong with it. It made me listen,
especially when they would just threaten a
spanking.
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Posted: 02-24-08 22:49pm
Children have to be shown the right way to
act. I know Ava's only 15 months, but
when she doesn't something inappropriate,
instead of fussing, I'll show her the
right way.
If she hits, bites, pulls my hair, dumps
her food, etc. I tell her, "NO ____" very
firmly, but not yelling or in a mean way,
then I show her the right thing to do. I
try to relate it to something she'll
understand like when she hits me, I tell
her, "NO hitting! Be soft like a menuw
cat" b/c she knows she has to pet the cat
softly. It works.
My sil smacked the hell out of her 1 year
old the other day for something that the
little girl didn't even realize was wrong.
She didn't even show her the right way.
How will kids ever learn?
It's the same with my 5/6 year olds. I
have to show them the right way to do a
lot of things, because they just don't
know. Fussing all day will get me
nowhere.
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Posted: 02-25-08 09:48am
I was spanked as a child and find nothing
wrong with it either. However, my parents
used it only in very extreme cases, such
as when I'd just defaced their wooden bed
with a screwdriver, or my brother bit me,
or one of us had just done something
dangerous we'd been told many times not to
do; or we were being absolute terrors, not
listening, and were completely
disrespecting our parents.
You're right as well: the child must
already KNOW the behavior is bad. You
can't punish someone, even a child, if
they don't realise they are behaving
badly!! You have to teach them biting is
bad, and if they then go and bite someone
else on purpose, then you punish them.
Secondly, smacking is an absolute no-no.
Never strike a child on the head... Grab
their arm for attention, or their
shoulder, but never ever strike them in
such a way...
When I was spanked (the one or two times
it ever happened) it never left a
permanent or long-term mark and I was not
in pain for hours. And you read me right:
I was only spanked once or twice my entire
youth! THAT'S the kind of
punishment it was: the one you avoided at
all costs. You had to seriously mess up to
get spanked.
I watch Super Nanny and shake my head in
shock... some of those kids need a MAJOR
spanking!!
Spanking does not work at all ages and
really stops working at around ages 5 and
6. My parents didn't spank for "just
anything". It was the ultimate punishment
for the ultimate "crimes". Spanking
doesn't work on every child, either. It
worked great on me but not so well on my
brother, so my parents had to find other
ways to punish him.
If you have to resort to spanking more
than once every few weeks (maybe even more
than once a month!), I'd say it's probably
not the right kind of punishment, or you
as a parent are using it too often!! There
may be behavioral issues with you or the
child that need professional help, not
spanking.
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Posted: 02-25-08 11:32am
jessesgirl
wrote:
Children have to be shown
the right way to act. I know Ava's only
15 months, but when she doesn't something
inappropriate, instead of fussing, I'll
show her the right way.
If she hits, bites, pulls my hair, dumps
her food, etc. I tell her, "NO ____" very
firmly, but not yelling or in a mean way,
then I show her the right thing to do. I
try to relate it to something she'll
understand like when she hits me, I tell
her, "NO hitting! Be soft like a menuw
cat" b/c she knows she has to pet the cat
softly. It works.
My sil smacked the hell out of her 1 year
old the other day for something that the
little girl didn't even realize was wrong.
She didn't even show her the right way.
How will kids ever learn?
It's the same with my 5/6 year olds. I
have to show them the right way to do a
lot of things, because they just don't
know. Fussing all day will get me
nowhere.
OH MY GOD she smacked a one year old? I
would have smacked her if IO were there,
right after I called the authorities.
I never, never, never, never hit my child.
I never even came close. I cannot even
fathom it.
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Posted: 02-25-08 12:53pm
My mother spanked me on the bottom with a
hair brush for wetting the bed while i was
alseep.
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Posted: 02-25-08 22:32pm
futureshock
wrote:
My mother spanked me on the
bottom with a hair brush for wetting the
bed while i was
alseep.
See, that's not something you can punish a
child for because they can't help it. I
wet the bed until I was 6 years old. I
simply had a small bladder and couldn't
hold it all night. We eventually found a
book with a system that had my parents set
an alarm multiple times throughout the
night and wake me up to go to the
bathroom. They had to wake up too to make
sure I went every single time. I think I
got stickers for every night I made it dry
to morning.
Eventually the system has the child
associate an alarm in their head with the
need to go to the bathroom, and so you
wake up. All I really remember was the
alarm in my head aspect; I don't remember
an actual alarm or my parents having to
set the alarm to go off every three
hours!! That takes a lot of work on the
part of the parent... and that's what
being a parent is all about!! HELPING your
child!!
I still wake up to go to the bathroom at
night lol. I don't get stickers though XD
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Posted: 02-26-08 00:17am
I wet the bed until I was 6 for the same
reason! I still get up many times a
night, lol!
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Posted: 03-07-08 22:30pm
One of my nephews sleepwalked into our
computer room one night and peed on my
husband's chair. I was in there writing
part of a chapter and I stood up and tried
to stop him when I realized what he was
doing, but it was too late. I didn't
realize he was a sleepwalker until the
next day when I told his parents what
happened...lol. I thought something was
strange about the blank way he looked at
me when I said; "What are you doing?? You
just peed on your uncle's chair!"
Of course I couldn't have hard feelings
because he wasn't aware of what he was
doing. The computer room was right next
to the bathroom so he probably meant to go
in there and confused the office chair
with the toilet. We still get a laugh
about it. If he had peed on ME I might
not have been so forgiving.