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pronetoillness

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Posted: 07-18-07 12:25pm

Marfa2107 wrote:
i just wanted to say something about the "ignoring" and "negative punishment"
I know a kid who was never punished for anything he did. His parents always bailed him out of whatever trouble he got into and it was never his fault.
he wrecked his car, it was not his fault and they ignored that he was disobeying the law..
He got so many traffic violations that he was in court and if he got one more speeding ticket he was getitng his license suspended for 6 months.
but because he did not know consequences for his actions, and the night after he went to court he was speeding (with 5 other boys in the truck with him) and a cop saw him. Not thinking of anything but not getting his license taken away and knowing that his parents would bail him out if anything happened he ran from the cops.
This chase ended the life of my best friend, because this boy did not understand that he too had consequences in life..

I will never ignore my childs behavior... ever... because of things like this..
sorry that is just my personal experience... but i know it happens everyday


O.o
please read what i say more carefully. I never said to ignore your child's behavior completely. You must inform your child what is right or wrong, yes there should be consequences. But yet again, i'm pointing out the tantrums, the attention-seeking behavior. Not the innocence of a child that should be guided into safety.

As for the kid, the parents shoulda let the kid know what was wrong and right. What happens. Carefully explain. I'm all for consequences, just not yellin or hitting. But calmy positively inforcing.
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Posted: 07-18-07 12:27pm

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Obviously you can't ignore some behavior. You have to pick your battles. Some things are best left ignored if they are attention seeking behavior. If you don't pay attention to it, the child will learn that is not an effective way to get your attention.

For example: Let's say your kid is in the back seat of the car kicking your seat to get your attention. You can say "Gee, if you want my attention, then you need to use words to let me know what you are needing. If you kick my seat, I will not respond to you". And then, don't respond to it. You will have to grit your teeth a bit here, because it will drive you nuts. Eventually the child will notice that they don't get any attention for this.

Obviously, you can't ignore a child running into the street. That has to be met with different consequences becuase it is not attention-seeking behavior. It is dangerous.

We need to remember that discipline and punishment are not the same thing. Discipline refers to the manner in which we raise our children and the structure we set for them. These are the guidelines for behavior. What I have found is that natural consequences are very effective in altering behavior, as well as stating expectations. Children function best when the consequences for their actions are predictable and consistent.

For example: If i tell my child to pick up her toys in the yard so that I can mow after lunch and she does not do it, then barbie dolls get their heads mowed over by the lawn mower. "Look, I see that your toys did not get picked up, and as a result, they were ruined by the lawn mower. I am so sorry that happened".

Another Example: We are going to the store, and while we are there I expect you to sit in the cart and behave yourself. That means no yelling, and no telling me "I want, I want". If you can remember this, then we will go to the park afterward" The child knows what is expected.

My biggest problem is caving in to tears. I hate it when y children cry, but I really have to remember to stick to my guns, or discipline is ineffective.

This is what works for me.


beautifully said my dear. Sucks that english is my third language! haha..
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Re: What?
Posted: 07-18-07 13:35pm

tigresacanela24 wrote:

I'm kind of on the fence about the allowance issue. I think that an allowance is a good tool for instilling a good work ethic and financial responsibility in children. But I also think that as they get older it creates a "mercenary" (for lack of a better word) mindset. I think the majority of children with allowances grow up expecting to be paid for everything that they do. I think I would also have some chores that I expected to be done without payment in addition to the paying ones to teach personal and familial responsibility.

To the original issue of discipline, I'll just say I was raised the old fashioned way and I turned out to be a law-abiding, responsible, productive citizen. And if it was good enough for me then it's good enough for my son.


I can see your point of children growing up to expect to be paid for everything they do. It would kinda lead to them not doing things for free like giving their time to charity or something. That makes sense.
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Posted: 07-18-07 13:53pm

this is off topic but it is soo cute i had to mention it. my mom took my sister and niece up north to my aunt's for a couple of weeks. my aunt has a little coffee shop and she is very overworked so they went to help her out for a while. they have been super busy because there are a bunch of construction crew men that come there every day for dinner. my niece is 7 years old and she was helping clear tables. one of the guys asked her if she worked there and she said (so serious) "yeah, my job is to pick up dishes and get tips". haha. the construction guys all think she's so funny. apparently she's been talking them up and providing some entertaining conversation. oh, and getting tips, lol.
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Posted: 07-18-07 21:22pm

kaerbear wrote:
this is off topic but it is soo cute i had to mention it. my mom took my sister and niece up north to my aunt's for a couple of weeks. my aunt has a little coffee shop and she is very overworked so they went to help her out for a while. they have been super busy because there are a bunch of construction crew men that come there every day for dinner. my niece is 7 years old and she was helping clear tables. one of the guys asked her if she worked there and she said (so serious) "yeah, my job is to pick up dishes and get tips". haha. the construction guys all think she's so funny. apparently she's been talking them up and providing some entertaining conversation. oh, and getting tips, lol.


aww she's sounds so charming..
you better keep an eye on her! Very
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Re: What?
Posted: 07-27-07 06:35am

pronetoillness wrote:
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pronetoillness wrote:
a 5 year old getting an allowence?
correct me if i misread please.. haha...


Well when I say allowance, I am talking about a dollar or two. Something that she can put in her piggy bank and save. I wasn't talking about a real allowance.

Her chores are like bringing her plate to the sink and putting her clotes and toys away and making her bed. Little stuf.


i see.. hmm..
well my main concern that she might demand more.. and then she might value money too much? I don't 5 year olds should be tainted with the knowledge of moneys worth. Reward her with something else instead of money, kids don't really care about that stuff except for the fact that it's shiney. Something more valuable to them... ? toys? candy? videos? *shrugs*

it is good to get them to understand money at a young age, and that you earn it , its not just given to you, like sometimes you may be at the store and they see a toy they really really want and you can explain to them doing certain chores like bringing there plate in the kitchen can earn them say 50 cents and they can save up for that toy they want by helping out int he house. This is what i plan on doing for my kids when they get alittle older to understand what money is and not trying to eat it. Whent hey earn the money they wanted for the toy they want then you can take them to the store to buy it and have them count there money and pay for it. I think thats a healthy way for an allowance at sucha young age, they arent jsut getting handed money they are earning it . So then when they are older they can see that you have to have a job etc to earn money for things you want or need you dont just get it handed to you.
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Posted: 07-27-07 06:42am

Do any of you have problems with your significant other having a different parenting style then you? Jason has ways of disciplining and i have a totally different way. He likes to give spankings im against them in most instances unless eh does something like bite me then i smack his hand and tell him you dont bite people. Now that jasons gone i can do it my way but joseph doesnt listen to me like he does to jason but sometimes he knows when he does something bad and he will go int he corner himself and cry and when he is done whining and crying he comes out. But its hard to get him to stop doing bad things, i can say joseph stop ina normal voice he doesnt listen i can scream it still nothing. I remove him from the situation and he flips his lid and throws tantrums. sometimes he does it in public too like burger king yesterday he kept tryint to run out the door and id pick him up and hed scream and kick, its hard to leave the room when hes doing that and i have jordynne in her infant seat as well so i try and calm him down but it doesnt always work. trying to move him from the situation and provide something else to occupy him works alot of the time. Its just soooooo hard because he hardly listens to me at all when jason leaves and he has worse behavior when jason is gone as well. Im open for any ideas Smile hes only 2 so he doesnt completely understand things like doing something like the red light green light thing though,.
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Posted: 07-27-07 08:52am

tinkinpink84 wrote:
Do any of you have problems with your significant other having a different parenting style then you? Jason has ways of disciplining and i have a totally different way. He likes to give spankings im against them in most instances unless eh does something like bite me then i smack his hand and tell him you dont bite people. Now that jasons gone i can do it my way but joseph doesnt listen to me like he does to jason but sometimes he knows when he does something bad and he will go int he corner himself and cry and when he is done whining and crying he comes out. But its hard to get him to stop doing bad things, i can say joseph stop ina normal voice he doesnt listen i can scream it still nothing. I remove him from the situation and he flips his lid and throws tantrums. sometimes he does it in public too like burger king yesterday he kept tryint to run out the door and id pick him up and hed scream and kick, its hard to leave the room when hes doing that and i have jordynne in her infant seat as well so i try and calm him down but it doesnt always work. trying to move him from the situation and provide something else to occupy him works alot of the time. Its just soooooo hard because he hardly listens to me at all when jason leaves and he has worse behavior when jason is gone as well. Im open for any ideas Smile hes only 2 so he doesnt completely understand things like doing something like the red light green light thing though,.


Oh dear! Have a cocktail and it will seem all better! LOL

I will dream up some intelligent advice, but work is busy right now!
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Posted: 10-18-07 21:48pm

My parents always done 3 things with us

1.) a weekly allowance that was split in 1/2 part of it for savings and part of it for "spending" just for being a kid

2.) Made us do chores that we would not get paid for. Putting our dish in the sink, picking up our toys, making sure the dog had water. small jobs.

3.) chores for extra money or rewards which the value of it went up as we aged too but that was only if they chose to do so. they would write down a list of "extra" chores that we could do by choice for extra cash at the end of the week. That started when we was about 5 or 6 years old and that was a really good thing for them to have done for us because it taught us 1.) it's ok to be a kid even when we have our bad days. 2.) taught us that every family member has their own things that must be done 3.) it also taught us that if we wanted something more then what they was already giving us that like them we had to earn our "extra" money.
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Posted: 12-10-07 21:51pm

Well personally i think the chart is a very good and positive method! My son is only 17 months old so we dont have to worry about disciplining yet but my cousin is 9 and he acts out alot, he said the other day when we brought up the same chart that they use at his school he said... "i dont care! put me on red! it wont stop me from being bad! you cant tell me what to do cuz i will do whatever i want!" sounds like a brat huh? well she is young enough that i think it will effect her more abd money? man! that is an even bigger insentive to be good!!! hahaha hope this helped!
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Posted: 12-10-07 22:13pm

That's the type of child where I personally feel one gentle spanking can do wonders. She doesn't feel like anyone is ever going to punish her in a way that's actually going to matter. She has nothing to fear.
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Posted: 02-23-08 17:08pm

Lisagirl1 wrote:
Well personally i think the chart is a very good and positive method! My son is only 17 months old so we dont have to worry about disciplining yet but my cousin is 9 and he acts out alot, he said the other day when we brought up the same chart that they use at his school he said... "i dont care! put me on red! it wont stop me from being bad! you cant tell me what to do cuz i will do whatever i want!" sounds like a brat huh? well she is young enough that i think it will effect her more abd money? man! that is an even bigger insentive to be good!!! hahaha hope this helped!


Eiri wrote:
That's the type of child where I personally feel one gentle spanking can do wonders. She doesn't feel like anyone is ever going to punish her in a way that's actually going to matter. She has nothing to fear.


You know what's funny? I am adamantly opposed to spanking for any reason, but I agree this kid needs a good one!
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Posted: 02-23-08 18:50pm

I have a 9yr old step son and he knows if I have to tell him more than twice to stop doing something, I will spank his butt. I was spanked as a child and I find nothing wrong with it. It made me listen, especially when they would just threaten a spanking.
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Posted: 02-24-08 22:49pm

Children have to be shown the right way to act. I know Ava's only 15 months, but when she doesn't something inappropriate, instead of fussing, I'll show her the right way.
If she hits, bites, pulls my hair, dumps her food, etc. I tell her, "NO ____" very firmly, but not yelling or in a mean way, then I show her the right thing to do. I try to relate it to something she'll understand like when she hits me, I tell her, "NO hitting! Be soft like a menuw cat" b/c she knows she has to pet the cat softly. It works.
My sil smacked the hell out of her 1 year old the other day for something that the little girl didn't even realize was wrong. She didn't even show her the right way. How will kids ever learn?
It's the same with my 5/6 year olds. I have to show them the right way to do a lot of things, because they just don't know. Fussing all day will get me nowhere.
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Posted: 02-25-08 09:48am

I was spanked as a child and find nothing wrong with it either. However, my parents used it only in very extreme cases, such as when I'd just defaced their wooden bed with a screwdriver, or my brother bit me, or one of us had just done something dangerous we'd been told many times not to do; or we were being absolute terrors, not listening, and were completely disrespecting our parents.

You're right as well: the child must already KNOW the behavior is bad. You can't punish someone, even a child, if they don't realise they are behaving badly!! You have to teach them biting is bad, and if they then go and bite someone else on purpose, then you punish them.

Secondly, smacking is an absolute no-no. Never strike a child on the head... Grab their arm for attention, or their shoulder, but never ever strike them in such a way...

When I was spanked (the one or two times it ever happened) it never left a permanent or long-term mark and I was not in pain for hours. And you read me right: I was only spanked once or twice my entire youth! THAT'S the kind of punishment it was: the one you avoided at all costs. You had to seriously mess up to get spanked.

I watch Super Nanny and shake my head in shock... some of those kids need a MAJOR spanking!!

Spanking does not work at all ages and really stops working at around ages 5 and 6. My parents didn't spank for "just anything". It was the ultimate punishment for the ultimate "crimes". Spanking doesn't work on every child, either. It worked great on me but not so well on my brother, so my parents had to find other ways to punish him.

If you have to resort to spanking more than once every few weeks (maybe even more than once a month!), I'd say it's probably not the right kind of punishment, or you as a parent are using it too often!! There may be behavioral issues with you or the child that need professional help, not spanking.
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Posted: 02-25-08 11:32am

jessesgirl wrote:
Children have to be shown the right way to act. I know Ava's only 15 months, but when she doesn't something inappropriate, instead of fussing, I'll show her the right way.
If she hits, bites, pulls my hair, dumps her food, etc. I tell her, "NO ____" very firmly, but not yelling or in a mean way, then I show her the right thing to do. I try to relate it to something she'll understand like when she hits me, I tell her, "NO hitting! Be soft like a menuw cat" b/c she knows she has to pet the cat softly. It works.
My sil smacked the hell out of her 1 year old the other day for something that the little girl didn't even realize was wrong. She didn't even show her the right way. How will kids ever learn?
It's the same with my 5/6 year olds. I have to show them the right way to do a lot of things, because they just don't know. Fussing all day will get me nowhere.


OH MY GOD she smacked a one year old? I would have smacked her if IO were there, right after I called the authorities.

I never, never, never, never hit my child. I never even came close. I cannot even fathom it.
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Posted: 02-25-08 12:53pm

My mother spanked me on the bottom with a hair brush for wetting the bed while i was alseep.
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Posted: 02-25-08 22:32pm

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My mother spanked me on the bottom with a hair brush for wetting the bed while i was alseep.

See, that's not something you can punish a child for because they can't help it. I wet the bed until I was 6 years old. I simply had a small bladder and couldn't hold it all night. We eventually found a book with a system that had my parents set an alarm multiple times throughout the night and wake me up to go to the bathroom. They had to wake up too to make sure I went every single time. I think I got stickers for every night I made it dry to morning.

Eventually the system has the child associate an alarm in their head with the need to go to the bathroom, and so you wake up. All I really remember was the alarm in my head aspect; I don't remember an actual alarm or my parents having to set the alarm to go off every three hours!! That takes a lot of work on the part of the parent... and that's what being a parent is all about!! HELPING your child!!

I still wake up to go to the bathroom at night lol. I don't get stickers though XD
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Posted: 02-26-08 00:17am

I wet the bed until I was 6 for the same reason! I still get up many times a night, lol!
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Posted: 03-07-08 22:30pm

One of my nephews sleepwalked into our computer room one night and peed on my husband's chair. I was in there writing part of a chapter and I stood up and tried to stop him when I realized what he was doing, but it was too late. I didn't realize he was a sleepwalker until the next day when I told his parents what happened...lol. I thought something was strange about the blank way he looked at me when I said; "What are you doing?? You just peed on your uncle's chair!"

Of course I couldn't have hard feelings because he wasn't aware of what he was doing. The computer room was right next to the bathroom so he probably meant to go in there and confused the office chair with the toilet. We still get a laugh about it. If he had peed on ME I might not have been so forgiving.
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