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Posted: 07-17-07 16:46pm
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chomping at the bit...
I found this interesting (to me) article
today. Thought I'd share.
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wrote: | LONDON - A teenager whose
teachers had stopped her wearing a
“purity ring” at school to symbolize
her commitment to virginity has lost a
High Court fight against the ban.
Lydia Playfoot, 16, says her silver ring
is an expression of her faith and had
argued in court that it should be exempt
from school regulations banning the
wearing of jewelry.
“I am very disappointed by the decision
this morning by the High Court not to
allow me to wear my purity ring to school
as an expression of my Christian faith not
to have sex outside marriage,” Playfoot
said in a statement Monday...
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http://www.msnbc
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Posted: 07-17-07 17:45pm
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I think it's utterly ridiculous they
wouldn't let her wear it. You can't force
a jewish guy to take the hat off his head;
so why force a girl to remove a tiny,
nearly insignificant silver ring? Freedom
of religion extends both ways; and if this
ring is part of her faith she has the
right to wear it, dress code or not.
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Posted: 07-17-07 18:00pm
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I think they had every right to enforce
the "no jewelry" rule to extend to this.
A ring is not intregal to her religion.
And "freedom of religion" does not extend
to schools. Kids in school do not have
those rights, they have priviledges. They
don't have freedom of speech, they don't
have freedom of the press. It's different
in schools.
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Posted: 07-17-07 18:13pm
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| Birch
wrote: | I think they had every right
to enforce the "no jewelry" rule to extend
to this. A ring is not intregal to her
religion.
And "freedom of religion" does not extend
to schools. Kids in school do not have
those rights, they have priviledges. They
don't have freedom of speech, they don't
have freedom of the press. It's different
in schools. |
It's different and I don't think it should
be. Yeah, I agree with being able to check
bags and lockers etc. And no swearing,
teasing, etc. That's just common sense.
But a jewish person's hat isn't integral,
I know a lot of jewish guys who don't wear
them. BUT if a guy did, you know a teacher
would never make him remove it.
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Posted: 07-17-07 19:28pm
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| Eiri
wrote: | | Birch
wrote: | I think they had every right
to enforce the "no jewelry" rule to extend
to this. A ring is not intregal to her
religion.
And "freedom of religion" does not extend
to schools. Kids in school do not have
those rights, they have priviledges. They
don't have freedom of speech, they don't
have freedom of the press. It's different
in schools. |
It's different and I don't think it should
be. Yeah, I agree with being able to check
bags and lockers etc. And no swearing,
teasing, etc. That's just common sense.
But a jewish person's hat isn't integral,
I know a lot of jewish guys who don't wear
them. BUT if a guy did, you know a teacher
would never make him remove
it. |
Yes, I agree; kids have no rights and I
think that's ridiculous.
But then again...having taught in school,
I think there is good reason for many of
the restrictions in place. Plus, if the
rule is "no jewelry" then that's the rule.
If she needs a chastity ring to remind
her of her values...well, geesh. What can
I say?
(A yarmulke is actually integral to
Orthodox Jewish people. I think it is
supposed to remind them that "there is
someone above them" and keep them humble.
I think.)
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Posted: 07-17-07 19:34pm
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ahh i remember high school dress code...
what are they seriously going to do if you
dont take it off? and why is a wring being
banned? why is jewlry being banned at all?
i think thats the dumbest thing ever
i can understand banning short shorts and
skirts and halter tops
but jewlry? come on now?!?!
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Posted: 07-17-07 20:37pm
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Jewelry = status. Think 'bling bling'
etc.
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Posted: 07-17-07 20:45pm
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still
so what if you dont or do have bling
most kids in school dont get made fun of
by what kind of bling they wear? or if
they have any "bling"
they get picked on for being "overweight"
or "buck teeth" or "big forehead"
stuff like that
ive never herd of a kid being out casted
because they have a purity ring on??
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Posted: 07-17-07 20:58pm
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Oh yeah I totally think that she should be
able to wear it. OR since the kids can't
seem to be able to make choices (which
they could) I think that maybe they should
get written permission from there parents.
IF it's considered BLING BLING then the
parents are responsible. I don't know.
Personally, I think that things are going
way to far. It actually kinda scares me..
WHAT NEXT? + it is a part of her religion.
You're right about the jewish child MOST
kids cant wear a hat in school (out of
respect), but Jewish people can wear
something on there heads. I just think
school should be school. Kids are just
there to learn. I remember when I was
younger I wore a hat to school, because my
hair looked really bad. The teacher made
me take it off. I was so upset and
embarrassed. I just wanted to leave. Which
really hurt my self esteem. So, it's never
really a win win situation. You know I
think that kids should be able to wear
hats jewlery etc in school. It's such a
petty thing. I HAVE NEVER heard of someone
being beat up and having there virginity
ring stolen.
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Posted: 07-17-07 20:58pm
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I am not sure where you attended school,
but when I was teaching at an inner city
high school the bling bling was a major
factor in determining status. I am sure
it is different in different schools. I
see nothing wrong with adopting an all
encompassing "no jewelry" rule to make it
easier.
I don't think the issue is that she would
be an outcast for her ring; but more so
that jewelry wearing is forbidden
regardless of reason and she was breaking
the rule.
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Posted: 07-17-07 20:58pm
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| the_girlfreind
wrote: | still
so what if you dont or do have bling
most kids in school dont get made fun of
by what kind of bling they wear? or if
they have any "bling"
they get picked on for being "overweight"
or "buck teeth" or "big forehead"
stuff like that
ive never herd of a kid being out casted
because they have a purity ring
on?? |
You don't get it...
It is the ones with the "bling" who are
the bullies, and the jewelry puts them
visually in a caste above those who don't
have any. It's saying "I'm better than
you!" and in the cruel way that children
do.
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Posted: 07-17-07 21:04pm
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| Dale123
wrote: | | Oh yeah I totally think that
she should be able to wear it. OR since
the kids can't seem to be able to make
choices (which they could) I think that
maybe they should get written permission
from there parents. IF it's considered
BLING BLING then the parents are
responsible. I don't know. Personally, I
think that things are going way to far. It
actually kinda scares me.. WHAT
NEXT? |
You believe that she should be allowed to
break the rule only because of the
religious nature of her ring?
Suddenly, the Establishment clause of the
Constitution comes into play.
Wait a minute, this was London.
Nevermind.
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Posted: 07-17-07 21:05pm
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| Birch
wrote: | You believe that she should
be allowed to break the rule only because
of the religious nature of her ring?
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As long as that ring is not harming
anyone, then yes. It is her *personal*
right.
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Posted: 07-17-07 21:26pm
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| Birch
wrote: | I think they had every right
to enforce the "no jewelry" rule to extend
to this. A ring is not intregal to her
religion.
And "freedom of religion" does not extend
to schools. Kids in school do not have
those rights, they have priviledges. They
don't have freedom of speech, they don't
have freedom of the press. It's different
in schools. |
I agree. Take the effing ring off for a
few hours and quit crying.
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Posted: 07-17-07 21:33pm
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The whole point of the ring is to show off
to classmates that you are abstinent and
proud of it...
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Posted: 07-17-07 21:59pm
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| Eiri
wrote: | | The whole point of the ring
is to show off to classmates that you are
abstinent and proud of
it... |
That's great, but teenagers are more about
image. If she didn't care so much about
her image, like teenagers usually do, she
wouldn't need to show off her ring.
That's why they throw such a fit when they
can't wear what they want. But school is
not a fashion show or a social place.
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Posted: 07-17-07 22:09pm
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| Jude-Love
wrote: | | Eiri
wrote: | | The whole point of the ring
is to show off to classmates that you are
abstinent and proud of
it... |
That's great, but teenagers are more about
image. If she didn't care so much about
her image, like teenagers usually do, she
wouldn't need to show off her ring.
That's why they throw such a fit when they
can't wear what they want. But school is
not a fashion show or a social
place. |
I'm trying to say that the ring IS part of
the girl's "image": a pious, abstinent
Christian.
And I heavily disagree. School is the
social place.
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Posted: 07-17-07 23:39pm
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| Eiri
wrote: | | the_girlfreind
wrote: | still
so what if you dont or do have bling
most kids in school dont get made fun of
by what kind of bling they wear? or if
they have any "bling"
they get picked on for being "overweight"
or "buck teeth" or "big forehead"
stuff like that
ive never herd of a kid being out casted
because they have a purity ring
on?? |
You don't get it...
It is the ones with the "bling" who are
the bullies, and the jewelry puts them
visually in a caste above those who don't
have any. It's saying "I'm better than
you!" and in the cruel way that children
do. |
so because i wear a chanel necklace and
earings im a bully ?!?!?
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Posted: 07-17-07 23:48pm
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| Eiri
wrote: | | Jude-Love
wrote: | | Eiri
wrote: | | The whole point of the ring
is to show off to classmates that you are
abstinent and proud of
it... |
That's great, but teenagers are more about
image. If she didn't care so much about
her image, like teenagers usually do, she
wouldn't need to show off her ring.
That's why they throw such a fit when they
can't wear what they want. But school is
not a fashion show or a social
place. |
I'm trying to say that the ring IS part of
the girl's "image": a pious, abstinent
Christian.
And I heavily disagree. School is the
social place. |
I totally agree! School is where alot of
teens develop there interpersonal skills
by talking with others hanging out.. I
just know that I have a ring that my mom
got me when I was 10 and I don't think I
have ever taken it off. Well only to clean
it. BUT I am not a bullly or looking to
show off its just a simple little thing
that makes me think of her. I just don't
see the big deal. Sure people can sterio
type the group with the bling bling etc.
BUT in my school when I attended in
Calgary it was terrible it was like
different ethnic groups together in gangs
and they had different names and labels.
Etc. I never got involved with that but
really they can't seperate all of those
groups. Also they have the people that are
chubby the people who are hot and popular
..the jocks etc. SO, just because the
BLING BLING people can remove there items.
I don't think it really should be any
different.. I don't know If this is even
going anywhere i had a point.. BUT lost
it..  I
suppose What I mean is if you wear a ring
it doesn't make a difference if you do or
not. Why should it?
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