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Ebryonic Vs Adult
Posted: 07-24-07 18:43pm
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Isnt it about time we abandoned Embryonic
stem cell research and put the money to
better use in Adult Stem Cell research.
1. There has been magnificant results in
Adult Stem Cell Research and none
whatsoever in Embryonic stem cell research
2. It is obviously more ethical to use
adult stem cells than create many poor
defencless embryonic children in order to
mutilate and violate them.
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Posted: 07-24-07 20:30pm
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Where do these "adult stem cells" come
from? It was my belief from research that
any cells found in the adult body, even
with pluriponent abilities, are not as
good as the ones found in embryos and
umbilical cord blood.
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Posted: 07-25-07 18:00pm
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stem cells from umbilical cord blood is
not regarded as Embryonic Stem Cells for
the simple reason they are not from
Embryos.
they are regarded as "cord blood stem
cells"
adult stem cells are found in all adult
tissues.
The term "Adult stem cell" refers to any
cell which is found in a developed
organism thus including Umbilical Cord
blood.
here is a list that details the areas of
succesful medical advances in regards to
Adult - Vs - Embryonic Stem Cell Research
1. Adult Stem Cells - Cancers:
Brain Cancer
Retinoblastoma
Ovarian Cancer
Skin Cancer: Merkel Cell Carcinoma
Testicular Cancer
Tumors abdominal organs Lymphoma
Non-Hodgkin’s lymphoma
Hodgkin’s Lymphoma
Acute Lymphoblastic Leukemia
Acute Myelogenous Leukemia
Chronic Myelogenous Leukemia
Juvenile Myelomonocytic Leukemia
Chronic Myelomonocytic Leukemia
Cancer of the lymph nodes:
Angioimmunoblastic Lymphadenopathy
Multiple Myeloma
Myelodysplasia
Breast Cancer
Neuroblastoma
Renal Cell Carcinoma
Various Solid Tumors
Soft Tissue Sarcoma
Ewing’s Sarcoma
Waldenstrom’s macroglobulinemia
Hemophagocytic lymphohistiocytosis
POEMS syndrome
Myelofibrosis
1. Ebryonic SCR: Cancers
None
2.Adult SCR- Auto-Immune Diseases
Diabetes Type I (Juvenile)
Systemic Lupus
Sjogren’s Syndrome
Myasthenia
Autoimmune Cytopenia
Scleromyxedema
Scleroderma
Crohn’s Disease
Behcet’s Disease
Rheumatoid Arthritis
Juvenile Arthritis
Multiple Sclerosis
Polychondritis
Systemic Vasculitis
Alopecia Universalis
Buerger’s Disease
2. Embryonic SCR - Auto-Immune Diseases
None
3. Adult SCR - Cardiovascular
Acute Heart Damage
Chronic Coronary Artery Disease
3. Embryonic SCR - Cardiovascular
None
4. Adult SCR - Ocular
Corneal regeneration
4. Embryonic - Ocular
None
5. Adult SCR - Immunodeficiencies
Severe Combined Immunodeficiency Syndrome
X-linked Lymphoproliferative Syndrome
X-linked Hyper immunoglobulin M Syndrome
5. Embryonic SCR - Immunodeficiencies
None
6.Adult SCR - Neural Degenerative Diseases
and Injuries
Parkinson’s Disease
Spinal Cord Injury
Stroke Damage
6. Embryonic - Neural Degenerative
Diseases and Injuries
None
7. Adult SCR - Anemias and Other Blood
Conditions
Sickle Cell Anemia
Sideroblastic Anemia
Aplastic Anemia
Red Cell Aplasia
Amegakaryocytic Thrombocytopenia
Thalassemia
Primary Amyloidosis
Diamond Blackfan Anemia
Fanconi’s Anemia
Chronic Epstein-Barr Infection
7. Embryonic SCR - Anemias and Other Blood
Conditions
None
8 Adult SCR - Wounds and Injuries
Limb Gangrene
Surface Wound Healing
Jawbone Replacement
Skull Bone Repair
8. Embryonic SCR - Wounds and Injuries
None
9. Adult SCR - Other Metabolic Disorders
Hurler’s Syndrome
Osteogenesis Imperfecta
Krabbe Leukodystrophy
Osteopetrosis
Cerebral X-Linked Adrenoleukodystrophy
9. Embryonic SCR - Other Metabolic
Disorders
None
10 Adult SCR - Liver Disease
Chronic Liver Failure
Liver Cirrhosis
10 Embryonic SCR - Liver Disease
None
11. Adult SCR - Bladder Disease
End-Stage Bladder Disease
11. Embryonic SCR - Bladder Disease
None
http://www.
stemcellresearch.org/facts/treatments.htm<
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In the UK the big money goes to "embryonic
stem cell reaserch"
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Hey
Posted: 07-25-07 18:25pm
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is this what this would be used to treat?
dont you think that both could be good. A
cell is so complex---i think its good to
study it. it just depends on how you use
it..
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Posted: 07-25-07 18:29pm
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That . I. S what .Adult stem cells are
currently beig used to treat.... Embryonic
stem cells cant do it... all those lives
for......absolutly nothing,
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Posted: 07-25-07 19:27pm
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| Gu£st
wrote: | | That . I. S what .Adult stem
cells are currently beig used to treat....
Embryonic stem cells cant do it... all
those lives for......absolutly
nothing, |
Well, they keep doing it for a reason. I
am sure that the baby isn't alive when
they do it so don't worry.
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Posted: 07-25-07 21:06pm
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| Gu£st
wrote: | | That . I. S what .Adult stem
cells are currently beig used to treat....
Embryonic stem cells cant do it... all
those lives for......absolutly
nothing, |
Actually, those "lives" are embryos that
would be destroyed unless used for this
research. So they were going to die either
way.
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Posted: 07-25-07 21:10pm
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| Eiri
wrote: | | Gu£st
wrote: | | That . I. S what .Adult stem
cells are currently beig used to treat....
Embryonic stem cells cant do it... all
those lives for......absolutly
nothing, |
Actually, those "lives" are embryos that
would be destroyed unless used for this
research. So they were going to die either
way. |
So, those babies have passed on and its
just there shell.. Thats what I thought.
Better to go to use.
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Posted: 07-25-07 21:54pm
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| Eiri
wrote: | | That's my
thought. |
I just don't see the point in distroying
something good when they could possibly
find cures for different things by doing
this type of research. Yeah, if they were
ALIVE it would be terrible, but they're
not.. So, its not so bad. Like if I had a
baby and it was still born I would like
them to do research and use the baby if it
helps them..
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Posted: 07-26-07 08:36am
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The difference is that a stillborn baby is
a terrible tragedy that was caused by
nature whereas embryos are unique human
beings created for death. Sure, the lucky
ones get implanted and the even luckier
ones go on to develop into babies but IVF
is performed in the knowledge that these
lives will be created just to die.
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Posted: 07-26-07 12:25pm
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| Jules
wrote: | | The difference is that a
stillborn baby is a terrible tragedy that
was caused by nature whereas embryos are
unique human beings created for death.
Sure, the lucky ones get implanted and the
even luckier ones go on to develop into
babies but IVF is performed in the
knowledge that these lives will be created
just to die. |
Well exactly; so I don't see why it's bad
to use them for stem cell research.
Secondly, I'd love to see a pro-lifer who
was pro-IVF. I would love to tell them how
many embryos DIE in the process. It is
abortion. These eggs are purposely
fertilized you know?
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Posted: 07-29-07 15:48pm
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"so I don't see why it's bad to use them
for stem cell research."
I know what you mean Eiri but if i may
explain or at least try to explain by
using a similar analogy to what your point
is but the scary thing is and it is tied
in with why ESCR is so bad is that it is
where things are heading
Today we are producing embryos (human
beings) and experimenting on them, they
are going to die anyway so why not
exploite them for the benefit of mankind
right?
Imagine if this kind of philosophy were to
advance further Just as abortion
philosophy has advanced further in
encompassing embryos for this research.
Now its 10? 20 years down the line and now
we find not only are we now experimenting
on human beings who are in a vegitive
state but we are also developing embryos
to a much more advanced stage that they
are no longer embryos at all to what point
of development do we consider wrong since
they were destined to die anyway and that
it is for our benefit that they have life
at all....can you not begin to see what is
so bad and dangerous about ignoring the
dignity of human life. Can you not begin
to see the autrocities that can come from
the Idea that Mankind can manipulate
nature into creating human beings to be
exploited for our benefit and this of
course stems from the same concept of a
man and woman considering when a child
will benefit their relationship and when
an abortion is prefered it is the self
same philosphy regarding the worth of
human life at what point do we say human
beings are not there to be exploited for
the benefit of other human beings.....when
we are the ones being exploited, when we
are the one's facing the knife, the
corrosive chemicals, the gas
chambers....when a rich/strong man
exploites a poor/weak man by killing him
to take one of his vital organs....where
does it end?
It ends at the very begining...... all
human beings are of equal worth and should
be treat with dignity and respect
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Posted: 09-28-07 12:55pm
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Sorry to bring up an old post, but we're
missing something here...
The reason that more reserach is being
done on adult stem cells is because the
government restricts research on embryonic
stem cells.
Not because they're not effective.
Stem cells are stem cells, it doesn't
matter where they come from. They are all
equally effective.
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Posted: 09-29-07 18:48pm
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Then why would scientists even bother
fighting for the government to fund
embryonic stem cell research?
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Posted: 09-29-07 20:38pm
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Embryonic stem cells are easier to get
sometimes. Like in IVF clinics, for
example. They can also be made
artificially. Since adult stem cells need
to be extracted from the inside of an
adult, they are harder to get and to
control.
It's explained in the most recent thread
about how stem cells work.
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Posted: 10-03-07 14:10pm
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Oh. ok. Thanks. I'll go read it.
I thought it was because embryonic stem
cells were totipotent, and could be made
into any cell of the human body, whereas
adult stem cells were limited as to what
cells they could become. Also, I thought
it was because embryonic stem cells
generated stem cell lines more readily and
more plentifully.
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Posted: 10-04-07 13:52pm
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Well I'm not an expert on stem cells, but
my understanding was that they all work
the same, regardless of the source. I do
know, however, that embryonic stem cells
are more available, but protected by
government laws.
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Posted: 10-04-07 19:36pm
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From what I understand, the research isn't
restricted at all. It is the government
funding of the research that is
restricted.
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Posted: 10-26-07 10:35am
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Hmm I thought it was. I'll look it up.
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