The concept of a license to marry heavily
offends me. I do not need a "license"
from the state to make a lifetime
commitment to my significant other valid.
The idea of 1. paying a fee for 2. a piece
of paper that 3. legally binds me to 4.
someone I love is ridiculous. Especially
since this contract can be revoked legally
by either party at any time for almost no
reason, it has no value.
I think they are obtained partly out of
fear; as in, "I fear my s.o. leaving me
destitute, so I will lock them in with a
contract". If you fear this, why are you
marrying/making a lifetime committment to
them?
The views of society on my live in
relationship with my significant other are
also ridiculous to me. I need a piece of
paper to make my relationship morally
'valid'?
[I know about the insurance perks, and the
tax perks, etc., but if you do not need
these things what is the point?]
Do these traditions stem from a purely
religious point of view? Is there a
reason to get a marriage license,
especially if one is not religious?
Talk me into it.
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Posted: 08-06-07 19:58pm
I won't try to talk you into it because I
partially (well mostly ) agree with you,
but I thought I might add,
isn't having a license just for legality
reasons? For example, when you are sick in
the hospital and you have a significant
other who is not your husband or wife,
they cannot make any decisions for you
since they are not legally your spouse.
I'm not positive on this but correct me if
I'm wrong, I don't claim to be an expert
tee hee
How much does a license cost these days?
Almost a year ago my brother got married
and had me be his witness, and he paid
about $100-200? I can't remember at the
mo'. This was in CA, I'm not sure if the
price varies from state to state.
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Magical Logic
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Posted: 08-06-07 20:53pm
hey Birch you can have my license and be
married to my a@@hole husband. for no
charge
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Posted: 08-06-07 21:00pm
chase4
wrote:
hey Birch you can have my
license and be married to my a@@hole
husband. for no charge
lol ohmy god
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Re: Marriage Licenses Posted: 08-06-07 21:01pm
Birch
wrote:
The concept of a license to
marry heavily offends me. I do not need a
"license" from the state to make a
lifetime commitment to my significant
other valid.
The idea of 1. paying a fee for 2. a piece
of paper that 3. legally binds me to 4.
someone I love is ridiculous. Especially
since this contract can be revoked legally
by either party at any time for almost no
reason, it has no value.
I think they are obtained partly out of
fear; as in, "I fear my s.o. leaving me
destitute, so I will lock them in with a
contract". If you fear this, why are you
marrying/making a lifetime committment to
them?
The views of society on my live in
relationship with my significant other are
also ridiculous to me. I need a piece of
paper to make my relationship morally
'valid'?
[I know about the insurance perks, and the
tax perks, etc., but if you do not need
these things what is the point?]
Do these traditions stem from a purely
religious point of view? Is there a
reason to get a marriage license,
especially if one is not religious?
Talk me into
it.
i agree with you
its just a way for them to 1.make money
2.track and control your every move
the govt likes control
thats just another way for them to have it
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Magical Logic
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Posted: 08-06-07 21:08pm
chase4
wrote:
hey Birch you can have my
license and be married to my a@@hole
husband. for no charge
edited to add: he is one broke ass now so
u must like broke men.after he pays child
support for 3 kids he aint got sh*t left
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young Girl
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Posted: 08-06-07 21:12pm
chase4
wrote:
chase4
wrote:
hey Birch you can have my
license and be married to my a@@hole
husband. for no charge
edited to add: he is one broke ass now so
u must like broke men.after he pays child
support for 3 kids he aint got sh*t left
birch sounds like chase is trying to talk
you into it :]
whaddaya say?
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Birch
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Posted: 08-06-07 22:24pm
shasta205
wrote:
I won't try to talk you into
it because I partially (well mostly ) agree with you,
but I thought I might add,
isn't having a license just for legality
reasons? For example, when you are sick in
the hospital and you have a significant
other who is not your husband or wife,
they cannot make any decisions for you
since they are not legally your spouse.
I'm not positive on this but correct me if
I'm wrong, I don't claim to be an expert
tee hee
How much does a license cost these days?
Almost a year ago my brother got married
and had me be his witness, and he paid
about $100-200? I can't remember at the
mo'. This was in CA, I'm not sure if the
price varies from state to
state.
I don't know how much it costs in my
state. I am under the impression it is
less than $50 for some reason-less than
getting your car registered.
Yes, that is one good point-the hospital
decision making business. But...who is
going to check and make sure you have a
license? If you call each other
husband/wife, wear a ring, live
together...etc....who's going to check up
on you?
the_girlfreind
wrote:
chase4
wrote:
chase4
wrote:
hey Birch you can have my
license and be married to my a@@hole
husband. for no charge
edited to add: he is one broke ass now so
u must like broke men.after he pays child
support for 3 kids he aint got sh*t left
birch sounds like chase is trying to talk
you into it :]
whaddaya say?
Uh...gee, with such a ringing endorsement
how can I say no... fast enough?
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Posted: 08-08-07 10:12am
It used to be that you had to get a blood
test before a marriage license was issued.
this ensured two things. 1-you weren't
related to each other, and 2-you were Rh
compatible, should you decide to have
children together.
I think marriage licenses are stupid.
Especially with the acceptance of common
law marriage as binding. I think the
state should stay the heck out of marriage
in genereal, including same sex marriage.
I don't know if there are any other
up-to-date reasons for obtaining a
marriage license now or not.
So...I am not going to convince you to get
one Birch. Sorry.
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Posted: 08-09-07 09:04am
I don't know if I can convince you either.
My marriage license was $20 I think. Not
much at all. I don't understand the whole
license thing anyways. If you are going
to have a wedding anyways, why do you need
a piece of paper?
If you do get married and want to take
your husbands name, you have to have that
piece of paper to prove that you took your
hubbys last name. You have to have it for
SS#, health insurance, credit card,
Drivers license, etc. anything with your
name on it.
If you didn't have to prove that you took
someone elses name then how easy would it
be just to say that you have a new name.
Identity theft would run rampid.
If you decide not to take your husbands
name, then I don't think that getting a
marriage license is important at all.
I think that the idea of a license is a
way of protecting an individual. I know
that if you are in fear of your loved one
leaving you with nothing, you shouldn't
get married, but if you go in with no
doubts, no fears, and something goes
terribly wrong in the marriage and one
person backs out, the license gives you
certain rights as a married couple and it
could protect you if your SO decides to go
nutzo and take you for every thing you
have.
And in WV you still have to get a blood
test before you get married. Which is a
good idea, because you never know who you
are going to meet in WV...they could be
your second cousin from your 1st cousins
3rd marriage.
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PsychMajor
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Re: Posted: 08-10-07 14:17pm
Marriage in this day and age means about
as much to the average american as
sex...nothing. I completely agree that
there is no valid excuse for a license to
say that you can, and are married.
Most states actually have whats known as
a Commonwealth Marriage. this is pretty
much that if you live with a person for
(usually) five years, while dating,
sleeping together, ect. you are legally
married, now personally i find this to be
a better commitment then some piece of
paper and words said in front of a crowd.
Dont get me wrong, the IDEA of marriage is
great, the way you go about it now, well
that is just another way for the
government to make money off of the
citizens.
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Birch
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Re: Posted: 08-10-07 14:33pm
PsychMajor
wrote:
Marriage in this day and age
means about as much to the average
american as sex...nothing. I completely
agree that there is no valid excuse for a
license to say that you can, and are
married.
Most states actually have whats known as
a Commonwealth Marriage. this is pretty
much that if you live with a person for
(usually) five years, while dating,
sleeping together, ect. you are legally
married, now personally i find this to be
a better commitment then some piece of
paper and words said in front of a crowd.
Dont get me wrong, the IDEA of marriage is
great, the way you go about it now, well
that is just another way for the
government to make money off of the
citizens.
I would have to agree, and add on that the
social stigma created surrounding the
institution of "living together" is also a
big farce to force couples into a contract
with one another, and thus create a
"freeing" environment to procreate; thus
furthering the economic cycle of
capitalism.
Not to mention the religious aspects to
it. (Read: Catholicism)
*star*
wrote:
I don't know if I can
convince you either. My marriage license
was $20 I think. Not much at all. I
don't understand the whole license thing
anyways. If you are going to have a
wedding anyways, why do you need a piece
of paper?
If you do get married and want to take
your husbands name, you have to have that
piece of paper to prove that you took your
hubbys last name. You have to have it for
SS#, health insurance, credit card,
Drivers license, etc. anything with your
name on it.
If you didn't have to prove that you took
someone elses name then how easy would it
be just to say that you have a new name.
Identity theft would run rampid.
If you decide not to take your husbands
name, then I don't think that getting a
marriage license is important at all.
I think that the idea of a license is a
way of protecting an individual. I know
that if you are in fear of your loved one
leaving you with nothing, you shouldn't
get married, but if you go in with no
doubts, no fears, and something goes
terribly wrong in the marriage and one
person backs out, the license gives you
certain rights as a married couple and it
could protect you if your SO decides to go
nutzo and take you for every thing you
have.
And in WV you still have to get a blood
test before you get married. Which is a
good idea, because you never know who you
are going to meet in WV...they could be
your second cousin from your 1st cousins
3rd marriage.
Yes, good points, and thank you *star* (I
don't know your name right now! sorry!)
As far as getting your name
changed...well, not only is that whole
other issue for me, but if you want to
change your name you do not
need a marriage license to do that; you
can get your name changed without it. My
boyfriend and I are debating both of us
changing our names to his mother's maiden
name for various personal reasons.
I also appreciate that you should protect
yourself because the future is always
unknown, so I suppose if you are concerned
about nutzo activities you might want to
look into that. And if you have
children...isn't is best for the kids? I
have no idea...Maybe someone w/ kids and
tell me more about that.
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Posted: 08-13-07 07:45am
Birch, my name is Heather...
Im not sure I understand about what you
are asking regarding children. Its
monday, and my mind just can't grasp
things very easily this morning.
And yeah, I totally forgot that if you
want to change your name you do not need a
marriage license. I was just remembering
what I had to go through after I got
married.
And just a word on common law marriages.
I have no idea what kind of laws are in
place in the states that allow them. I
pretty much was in a relationship before
my husband where we would have been
considered common law, but we split nicely
and we never thought about it like a
marriage.
Also in North Carolina it is illegal to
live with someone of the opposite sex if
you are not married. They do not honor
common law marriages. This is what I have
been told since I have moved here, so I
don't know if that is 100% true. I have
no idea how they would ever uphold such a
law, but I think its true.
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Re: Posted: 08-13-07 11:35am
PsychMajor
wrote:
Marriage in this day and age
means about as much to the average
american as sex...nothing. I completely
agree that there is no valid excuse for a
license to say that you can, and are
married.
MY Marriage means a lot to me, thank you
very much. MY sexual relationship means a
lot to me as well. It would also mean a
lot to me if my spouse decided to have
"meaningless" sex with someone else. So
please use caution when making these
blanket statements. Marriage DOES mean
something to some people. It just doesn't
have to mean everything to everyone.
) agree with you,
but I thought I might add,
