I think you really miss the point when you
state that men do not have to face the
same "punishment" as women in a pregnancy.
By "Punishment" are you referring to the
9 months of pregnancy and the actual
childbirth? If so, freakin' good grief!
So for that "punishment" to be taken away
the woman simply punishes the unborn baby
with an execution. When a doctor deals
with a pregnant woman he deals with TWO
patients (as per a US surgeon general Koop
who was a specialist in doing in utero
surgeries on unborn babies). No matter
what 9 months of pregnancy and even a
difficult birth are no match for an
outright execution. Let the killing stop.
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sillyakchick
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Posted: 08-09-07 09:02am
Pardon me for asking, but are you male or
female? Have you ever carried a child for
40 weeks and then delivered? I wish to
ask these questions before I respond
further.
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meblonde01
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Posted: 08-09-07 09:40am
Abortion was so awful and emotional
because of it I never had children.. So I
can't compare.. I have seen a baby born,
and it looks pretty painful, but also
joyful at the same time..
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Birch
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Posted: 08-09-07 11:48am
What's "worse"?
That's an opinion reserved for the person
facing either/or.
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Tylanas
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Posted: 08-09-07 14:50pm
That is not a simple question, and it will
be answered differently by every single
woman who becomes pregnant.
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sandyallen
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Posted: 08-09-07 15:17pm
You think that all pregnancy's are
punishment, sorry if you feel that way. I
enjoyed carrying my two and having them.
It is not a baby until birth.
Abortion is not execution, sorry you feel
this way! Sometimes abortion is
necessary!
Are you a male?
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Tylanas
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Posted: 08-09-07 16:40pm
Every time I hear someone say this,
especially if they are male, I just wish
they could go through pregnancy and birth
themselves. I also wish that the women who
feel this way could step into the shoes of
a terrified teen who didn't know she could
get pregnant the first time.
It is a distinct lack of perspective that
makes people think that abortion is worse
than pregnancy.
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young Girl
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Posted: 08-09-07 16:49pm
hmm
well i love being pregnant
its been the best 22 weeks of my life
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Tylanas
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Posted: 08-09-07 18:36pm
the_girlfreind
wrote:
hmm
well i love being pregnant
its been the best 22 weeks of my
life
Good for you!
But some women hate it, and there's really
nothing you can - or should - do to change
their opinion. It is their right to hate
puking every day, to have back aches, to
pee constantly, and to be unable to get a
good night's sleep. Everyone experiences
pregnancy differently. Some women breeze
through it, other women suffer through it.
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young Girl
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Posted: 08-09-07 18:37pm
Eiri
wrote:
the_girlfreind
wrote:
hmm
well i love being pregnant
its been the best 22 weeks of my
life
Good for you!
But some women hate it, and there's really
nothing you can - or should - do to change
their opinion. It is their right to hate
puking every day, to have back aches, to
pee constantly, and to be unable to get a
good night's sleep. Everyone experiences
pregnancy differently. Some women breeze
through it, other women suffer through
it.
oh yeah i totally understand that! travis
poor aunt has the worst pregnancies
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Dale123
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Posted: 08-09-07 19:09pm
Personally, I think every pregnancy is
different and to end the story with a baby
is a gift. I do believe in prochoice too,
but only for those who take precaution.
Some abortions I agree with Like when a
woman finds out that the baby is having
problems, when a woman was raped, when a
woman is extreamly sick or young. I just
don't agree with the having sex.. OPPS got
to go to the clinic. I don't know, it's a
persons choice and who am I to say... I
just know that right now if I got
pregnant.. I would live everyday excited
to meet my baby, and be happy that the
baby is there. I would probably talk to it
and be so happy. Yes, I understand some
pregnant woman have a hard time, but when
you look at the big picture its worth it..
Just my opinion though.
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young Girl
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Posted: 08-09-07 19:13pm
Dale123
wrote:
Personally, I think every
pregnancy is different and to end the
story with a baby is a gift. I do believe
in prochoice too, but only for those who
take precaution. Some abortions I agree
with Like when a woman finds out that the
baby is having problems, when a woman was
raped, when a woman is extreamly sick or
young. I just don't agree with the having
sex.. OPPS got to go to the clinic. I
don't know, it's a persons choice and who
am I to
say...
i like the way you think dale
you made a great point
every women and pregnancy is different as
is sverey abortion
some women feel that they made the wrong
deiciton in the long run, they also feel
depressed sometimes
but others never feel they made the wrong
choice
its all up to the person :]
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Dale123
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Posted: 08-09-07 19:16pm
Sometimes having a baby can do that to a
woman.. Hormones etc. I am worried I will
be too emotional after.. (I am a very
emotional person)
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Dale123
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Posted: 08-09-07 19:20pm
So in conclusion.. I believe that abortion
or pregnancy can be equal punishment..
REALLLLLLLLY depends on what you make of
your pregnancy or abortion. Depends on the
reasons or the feelings etc.
Also, a pregnancy or an abortion could be
an equal blessing. Again depends on what
you make of it..
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Birch
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Posted: 08-09-07 19:25pm
Dale123
wrote:
Personally, I think every
pregnancy is different and to end the
story with a baby is a gift. I do believe
in prochoice too, but only for those who
take precaution. Some abortions I agree
with Like when a woman finds out that the
baby is having problems, when a woman was
raped, when a woman is extreamly sick or
young. I just don't agree with the having
sex.. OPPS got to go to the clinic. I
don't know, it's a persons choice and who
am I to say... I just know that right now
if I got pregnant.. I would live everyday
excited to meet my baby, and be happy that
the baby is there. I would probably talk
to it and be so happy. Yes, I understand
some pregnant woman have a hard time, but
when you look at the big picture its worth
it.. Just my opinion
though.
I don't understand; either you are for it
or against it; the outcome is no different
regardless of the mother's
circumstances-in regards to rape or "just
sex".
Know what I mean, Vern?
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Dale123
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Posted: 08-09-07 19:35pm
Birch
wrote:
Dale123
wrote:
Personally, I think every
pregnancy is different and to end the
story with a baby is a gift. I do believe
in prochoice too, but only for those who
take precaution. Some abortions I agree
with Like when a woman finds out that the
baby is having problems, when a woman was
raped, when a woman is extreamly sick or
young. I just don't agree with the having
sex.. OPPS got to go to the clinic. I
don't know, it's a persons choice and who
am I to say... I just know that right now
if I got pregnant.. I would live everyday
excited to meet my baby, and be happy that
the baby is there. I would probably talk
to it and be so happy. Yes, I understand
some pregnant woman have a hard time, but
when you look at the big picture its worth
it.. Just my opinion
though.
I don't understand; either you are for it
or against it; the outcome is no different
regardless of the mother's
circumstances-in regards to rape or "just
sex".
Know what I mean, Vern?
LOL that made me think of lavern and
shirley!
So, shirly!
I really am confused.. Mostly prochoice
partly pro life.. I don't really care
which ever way. I personally think that if
people are being stupid and getting
pregnant and just thinking of it as
nothing and getting lots of abortions. I
realllllly disagree. I do agree with
abortion when it's used for a good reason.
I think that its a great option for people
who have been raped, sick people or if the
baby is having problems.. I just think
being raped and getting pregnant wasn't
the womans choice, but having unprotected
sex and getting pregnant and just going
for a abortion is her choice.. So, in away
that would make me prochoice, but then
against prochoice.. HOW ABOUT PRO REASON?
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Tylanas
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Posted: 08-09-07 20:04pm
I think it's a very logical position to
have. The thing about pro-choice is that
it is NOT pro-abortion...
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Dale123
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Posted: 08-09-07 20:06pm
Eiri
wrote:
I think it's a very logical
position to have. The thing about
pro-choice is that it is NOT
pro-abortion...
Yes thats it.. I am NOT pro abortion, but
am pro choice.. I have never discussed
this until I came on here. To be honest..
I never really had much of an opinion..
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Birch
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Posted: 08-09-07 20:23pm
Dale123
wrote:
Birch
wrote:
Dale123
wrote:
Personally, I think every
pregnancy is different and to end the
story with a baby is a gift. I do believe
in prochoice too, but only for those who
take precaution. Some abortions I agree
with Like when a woman finds out that the
baby is having problems, when a woman was
raped, when a woman is extreamly sick or
young. I just don't agree with the having
sex.. OPPS got to go to the clinic. I
don't know, it's a persons choice and who
am I to say... I just know that right now
if I got pregnant.. I would live everyday
excited to meet my baby, and be happy that
the baby is there. I would probably talk
to it and be so happy. Yes, I understand
some pregnant woman have a hard time, but
when you look at the big picture its worth
it.. Just my opinion
though.
I don't understand; either you are for it
or against it; the outcome is no different
regardless of the mother's
circumstances-in regards to rape or "just
sex".
Know what I mean, Vern?
LOL that made me think of lavern and
shirley!
So, shirly!
I really am confused.. Mostly prochoice
partly pro life.. I don't really care
which ever way. I personally think that if
people are being stupid and getting
pregnant and just thinking of it as
nothing and getting lots of abortions. I
realllllly disagree. I do agree with
abortion when it's used for a good reason.
I think that its a great option for people
who have been raped, sick people or if the
baby is having problems.. I just think
being raped and getting pregnant wasn't
the womans choice, but having unprotected
sex and getting pregnant and just going
for a abortion is her choice.. So, in away
that would make me prochoice, but then
against prochoice.. HOW ABOUT PRO
REASON?
Oh, I meant like "Vern" as is those
movies..."Vern goes to Camp" and all that
stuff. Children of the 80's stuff.
Hypercolor shirts...rolled up jeans...
y'know.
Basically, what I'm saying is that I don't
think you should be picking and choosing
which abortions are justified and which
aren't by their process of coming into
being-the end result is the same. A human
is killed. If abortion isn't okay by your
standards because a woman wasn't being
careful, isn't that just a form of
punishment for the woman?
If abortion is okay because she was raped,
does that make the child she carries less
"worthy" than the one conceived by
consent?
Does that make sense? Either abortion is
okay or it's not, simply because the end
result is exactly the same, regardless of
circumstance.
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Cambion
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Posted: 08-10-07 02:01am
Unless you want to keep the little waif, I
would say that abortion is a lot easier
than pregnancy...for the following
reasons:
With abortion, you:
- aren't sick and bloated and fat for nine
months (5-6 tops and then it's
self-surgery coat hanger time after that
cut-off date)
- can change your mind about your
decision. For example, if you abort and
decide ten years later to have a child,
you can. If you keep the little snot and
decide ten years down the road you hate
them and want to get rid of them, you
can't (imagine the flack you'd catch if
you stuck a ten-year-old in the system;
other options for getting rid of the kid
are not legal). If you aren't ready for
kids or don't want them, abortion offers
the woman a second chance to get her life
back on track and take better
precautions.
- save money. What's $500 in comparison to
the estimated $200,000 you'll spend caring
for a kid for 18 years?
- keep your genitals intact. Ask any man
who has witnessed his wife/GF give birth
vaginally how he feels about having sex
with a wet parachute.
And hey, some pregnancies are like
punishment. There are sick people who will
attempt to teach their 'evil promiscuous'
daughters not to have sex by forcing her
to keep her pregnancy and the baby. Women
can't even be considered for abortion
until they're at least six weeks along,
and that six weeks of heaving and overall
malaise pregnancy brings on can be
torturous to any woman. Some women suffer
potentially fatal conditions during
pregnancy, like hyperemesis (excessive
vomiting) and pre-ecclampsia.
Yes, some women are creaming their panties
over thinking about the arrival of their
little waif, but that doesn't mean that
all pregnancies are blessed gifts. I
personally would rather have an abortion
ever day for nine months than be pregnant.
