Women Equality, Double Standard? Posted: 08-10-07 15:01pm
If women want equality should they expect
any special treatment because of a monthly
condition? Should women have to sign up
for the draft same as men? i mean it would
make it an actual equal deal. I say they
want equality then they should have to do
the same thing men have to do, period.
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Tylanas
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Posted: 08-10-07 15:10pm
I think you're missing an important
issue.
Men and women are different. We are not the
same, despite what feminists want to say.
I'm sorry, but some women have periods
that do restrict their activities. As I
see it, true gender equality is an
acceptance of those differences. If you
don't want to accept that once a month a
woman bleeds from her vagina, then you are
not truly promoting gender equality.
It basically seems to me you're trying to
punish the woman for something she can't
prevent, just in the name of "pure
equality". I know that's probably not your
intention, but it came across that way.
Yes, women should get "special treatment",
whatever you mean by that, once a month.
When you bleed from your vagina, I'll give
you special treatment.
As far as the draft, I thoroughly agree
that women should have to be included.
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PsychMajor
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Re: Eiri Posted: 08-10-07 15:15pm
Im not saying that women should be
punished, but for the most part Men didnt
petition for equality, why should a man
have more work put on him, when his
"equal" is on their period. i understand
that it can restrict some women, and not
saying that they shouldnt be able to get
off work if it does, i am saying that they
should have to do what they say, or are
given to do the same as a man.
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Tylanas
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Posted: 08-10-07 15:27pm
Well, I'm sorry you don't understand how
debilitating a period is... so you can't
understand why a woman may not be able to
work 100% while on her period.
Women had to petition for rights because
we were being forced down by males.
Men and women are not identical. Women can
do things men can't and vice versa. But
being a true person is accepting your
limits as well. Men can't have babies.
Women get periods.
Saying "Well you wanted equality so tough
it out!" is just plain arrogant. We don't
want to be better than men. We simply want
to be accepted as worthy, which we weren't
for thousands of years.
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PsychMajor
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Posted: 08-10-07 15:33pm
Women get periods and men have to deal
with them on it, trust me that is often
punishment enough. but either way, if a
woman has a desk job she should atleast
try to make it most of the time, not to
say all of the time, but a reasonable
amount, and if a woman cant make it to
work then she can find someone to cover
for her. instead of the men taking the
work.
i have seen plenty of places that
either dont hire, or fire women cause they
cant have someone calling in sick for a
week once a month, smaller places dont
have the room for a weeklong break, for
any reason. realize im a small town kid,
small town bussiness. i am looking at
things as i have seen them, and that is
women using their period as an excuse to
get out of things, NOT saying all women
do, but i have seen alot do it, and to be
honest men lose sympathy about the
millionth time someone pulls one on them,
just the way it is.
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Tylanas
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Posted: 08-10-07 15:38pm
PsychMajor
wrote:
Women get periods and men have to deal
with them on it, trust me that is often
punishment enough. but either way,
if a woman has a desk job she should
atleast try to make it most of the time,
not to say all of the time, but a
reasonable amount, and if a woman cant
make it to work then she can find someone
to cover for her. instead of the men
taking the work.
i have seen plenty of places that
either dont hire, or fire women cause they
cant have someone calling in sick for a
week once a month, smaller places dont
have the room for a weeklong break, for
any reason. realize im a small town kid,
small town bussiness. i am looking at
things as i have seen them, and that is
women using their period as an excuse to
get out of things, NOT saying all women
do, but i have seen alot do it, and to be
honest men lose sympathy about the
millionth time someone pulls one on them,
just the way it
is.
Ugh, that's a sexist statement...
Of course a woman should try to make it to
her job, and believe me, most women do
their best to avoid all period symptoms
because it seriously sucks to be sick
every single month.
A week-long break? I don't know any woman
that needs a week off with a normal
period. A day, maybe. You've never had
cramps so you just don't know. I have seen
no woman do what you claim they do,
perhaps I just don't hang out with
dishonest, wimpy women.
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Jude-Love
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Posted: 08-10-07 15:57pm
Just because a woman is having pain you
can't experience, you seem to think that
her pain doesn't matter.
Should I have to cover a shift at work for
someone's prostate exam? Or because of
some sort of male health issue? Yes, I
should. I am not a male and his condition
isn't my problem, however, I have a job to
do.
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Birch
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Posted: 08-10-07 16:13pm
I don't expect special treatment due to my
period. I don't really know if other
women do.
If I am sick and unable to get out of bed
due to my period (which has happened) then
I call off as anyone else would and have
to take a 'sick day'. I don't expect
anything different; I don't say why I'm
sick; I'm sick, I can't be productive, so
I call off.
Should I have to come into work? I don't
understand what you mean, psych major.
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Posted: 08-10-07 16:39pm
I think he is saying yes, you should have
to come in for work, because a period is
only a female issue that men don't have,
so in an "equal" world (where women are
equal to men) a woman shouldn't have a
period, or it shouldn't matter, or
something.
But note that phrase... "a world where
women are equal to men"... I don't know if
anyone has noted this, but it seems as if
society is trying to "raise up" women to
the status of men, as if it were a sliding
scale, and as if the male was the "ideal".
I suddenly find this to be highly
one-sided, has anyone else noticed that?
"Make women as good as men". That's not
what this should be about... We don't need
to be "as good" as men... O.o
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Jude-Love
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Posted: 08-10-07 20:19pm
I have a question: If I have a desk job
and leave early because of menstrual
problems, why in the world would a
victimized male have to get up from his
desk and do my work?
Seems like someone is just pulling things
out of their ass....
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amethyst eyes
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Posted: 08-10-07 21:03pm
As far as I am concerned you can never
expect men and women to be totally equal
in their physical aspects. Women will
always have to deal with certain things
that men do not, and men will almost
always be more physically capable in
strenuous activities.
This is in no way should affect the rights
each person has and their equality as a
person. Women should not have to suffer
because of cramps causing them serious
pain. Until you have cramps so bad it
feels like someone is stabbing you in the
stomach I seriously doubt you can pass
judgement on a woman for taking a sick day
every once and awhile.
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worrywart001
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Posted: 08-10-07 21:12pm
PsychMajor
wrote:
Women get periods and men
have to deal with them on it, trust me
that is often punishment enough. but
either way, if a woman has a desk job she
should atleast try to make it most of the
time, not to say all of the time, but a
reasonable amount, and if a woman cant
make it to work then she can find someone
to cover for her. instead of the men
taking the work.
i have seen plenty of places that
either dont hire, or fire women cause they
cant have someone calling in sick for a
week once a month, smaller places dont
have the room for a weeklong break, for
any reason. realize im a small town kid,
small town bussiness. i am looking at
things as i have seen them, and that is
women using their period as an excuse to
get out of things, NOT saying all women
do, but i have seen alot do it, and to be
honest men lose sympathy about the
millionth time someone pulls one on them,
just the way it
is.
some women really do have periods that are
ridiculous and cannot help the fact that
its THAT bad just like you can't help the
times when you get sick. My friend was put
on birth control to help her period
because she would get so nauseated that
she'd throw up and have migraines during
that time of the month..it isn't her
fault..and I for one dont take advantage
of that time of month to get sympathy out
of anyone...some men need to learn to be
just alittle bit more understanding
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PlacidIntricacy
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Hmm Posted: 05-19-08 20:59pm
i think lots of the woman's responses are
missing the general point here...
it's not that woman shouldn't be able to
call off work. heck if im sick there is no
way im going to go to work... but not
woman, but feminists (man or woman) seem
to often get confused with what true
equality is. If Feminists were really for
equality they wouldn't be saying Quotes
like "Girl Power!" or "kick him in the
balls!" they would be saying "people
power!" and "if you kick him in the crotch
he will kick you in the crotch!"
Do you realise how much sexual abuse or
sexual harrasment would go up? how many
more jails would fill up? Fact is woman
can get away with WAY more than guys, and
it's mainly because they are conciderred
the more affectionate gender... but WHY?
is it because they are less likely to
cheat on their loved ones?
well here is a fact. FACT. a psychologist
i know very well (Mr. Musgrove to be
percise) explained to me that EXACTLY 50%
of marriages that fail because of
cheating... is men... the other 50% just
so happens to be woman.
so truely things are pretty equal. woman
just often get things handed to them and
they wont get in as much trouble as any
man in the same situation. Fact is woman
have a lot of crap they have to deal with
in their lives (such as periods and giving
birth). there are goods and bads to both
sides.
i just think it's ridiculous that woman
would ever want equality. it is really
awkward (in my opinion) to see men put
into jail for things a woman could easily
get away with (such as teachers hooking up
with students, which is getting quite
popular with female teachers these days).
and its also awkward to know that if a
woman hits a man (no matter what her size
in comparison to the man) the man is told
not to hit back, and if he was to he would
most likely be punished by law. And
thirdly it frustrates me that men are
often sexually abused and woman (and men)
find humor in it. but if a woman is
sexually abused (even in a movie) it's
conciderred an awful thing that can often
lead to the movie being taken out of
theaters. And dont say what would be funny
about a girl getting hit in the crotch...
because... what's funny about a guy
getting hit in the crotch? the only
difference is females have nearly twice as
many nerve endings between their legs than
guys... meaning it would hurt nearly twice
as much... either way. its all awkward.
basically. WHY THE HECK WOULD A WOMAN WANT
EQUALITY? if i was a woman there is NO
FREAKIN WAY i would ask for equality.
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PlacidIntricacy
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OH... Posted: 05-19-08 21:00pm
I just realised this post is from forever
ago... wish i could find a similar topic
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Re: Women Equality, Double Standard? Posted: 05-29-08 14:11pm
PsychMajor
wrote:
If women want equality
should they expect any special treatment
because of a monthly condition? Should
women have to sign up for the draft same
as men? i mean it would make it an actual
equal deal. I say they want equality then
they should have to do the same thing men
have to do,
period.
Does equality really exist?
Yes and no
It should actually be being
reciprocol....
Why must men be dominant all the time what
about woman?
Usually what happens is we make up for
what the other lacks.
My problem woman scream equality dont want
to back it up but neither do men, its like
the only real people who actually live to
the name are gay people. Men deem
females weak therefore they act, woman
deem men incompassionate because they wont
show emotion.
Why are you health forum when it is 50/50
You want they want to wear pant but you
dont want to wear a dress. Woman want to
work but are tied at home because daycare
is just to expensive and well the other
part wont stop working cause they deem it
their right well what about the other
side? Oh you can work but just something
less not at the same capacity.
Woman are denied more rights than men,
that is why they fight for them, to at
least bring it to normal standard but then
again how can you define normal?
Men can have sex all the time and be
deemed cool, woman are called sluts.
-Men can go out at anytime(in a marriage
with kids) but its is wrong for a woman
- woman dont want to work in certain jobs
but men will because they need money to
support their life
-some woman are overely dramatic and it
drives me nuts
society views woman differently than what
you and me think!!! Now if you were sick
would you go to work?
For some woman the first day of their
period can render them sick, I for example
feel exhausted, I get a runny nose and
feel like caca just like you probably
would if you had a flu. I dont judge you
for being sick but we get judged because
some woman abuse it.
in the end we are all in the same boat....
and unless we start trying to change our
views than it will always be the same
Instead of crying womans rights I have
started saying I want to be a man, not a
lesbian but I want to be viewed as a man
within society!