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Tylanas on August 14th, 2007
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A note that other people have made and I feel I should make too, considering my comments about bodies being required for medical use after death:

A funeral is not about the dead person. It is about the family. The dead body and anything attached to it really has no care about the funeral. He's dead. What he did no longer matters unless it was a public issue that impacted his community. Who he slept with in the bedroom has nothing to do with any of that. So if the funeral is about the family... was the family gay? I doubt it... Was the family parading about having gay sex? Again, I doubt it. Even if the dead guy's gay lover had been at the funeral... he is no longer a gay lover since his partner is dead. He's just a human being at a funeral!!!!!

Also, since yes, every since is equal... if the dude came to church every sunday, isn't he like, forgiven of all sins again? So unless he'd had sex between last sunday and dying, then he's still techncically a-ok right? If church doesn't do that to your sins, then um... no one would ever get into heaven since their sins would never be forgiven. But wait, there's more! If you believe in Jesus, all you sins will be forgiven anyway!! Or something like that. So either way folks, this IS the church choosing one sin over the other. I'm pretty sure they're not going to refuse to bury the priest when he dies just because he lied once upon a time, or felt proud of himself.
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Rodge replied on August 14th, 2007
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I love that people seem to think the ultimate hippie pacifist would ever hurt or shun people. I'm not religious, but from what I can recall Jesus was all about acceptance and universal love, and he wanted his followers to be the same way. what happened to that?
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marytartor replied on August 14th, 2007
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"I'm pretty sure they're not going to refuse to bury the priest when he dies just because he lied once upon a time, or felt proud of himself."

Or bury the preist who molested a child...
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Tylanas replied on August 14th, 2007
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marytartor wrote:
"I'm pretty sure they're not going to refuse to bury the priest when he dies just because he lied once upon a time, or felt proud of himself."

Or bury the preist who molested a child...


"As long as he's not gay!!!! God forgives all sins except gayness!! Even murder!"
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sandyallen replied on August 14th, 2007
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Maybe that is one of my main reasons that I do not go to church like I used to, they have no right to judge, I think they have judged for years, that is not or was not the reason I went to church, just my opinion. This guy who passed on deserves better, along with his family and friends!
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marytartor replied on August 14th, 2007
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Actually G-d can forgive all sins except scuicide...at least if you are a catholic. Because you can't confess it.
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marytartor replied on August 14th, 2007
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I agree with Sandy. I would leave my church if I found out that this happened.
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Gu£st replied on August 14th, 2007
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I would be shocked and horrified if I attended a funneral at my church and in the middle of it all the obituary was a celebration of his homosexual lifestyle accompanied by a video depicting his homosexual relationship, no offense to the family or the guy but a church is not the place for this kind of thing, by all means give the guy a church funneral, comfort his family but there is no way I would have allowed that obituary and video to be publically displayed. and yes I would still give a church funneral to pedophiles, murderers ect but I would never allow a obituary or video celebrating the fact he was a pedophile or a murderer to be shown in the church
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marytartor replied on August 14th, 2007
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being gay and being a pedophile are different! And not comparable by any means. And its not like it was gay porn. I doubt it was photos of them having sex, at most it was a kiss. I think the church was wrong to do so.
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Gu£st replied on August 14th, 2007
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"being gay and being a pedophile are different! And not comparable by any means. "

who was it who said all sin is sin and no one has the right to say one sin is worse than another?

I am sure you would also picture of a pedophile priest kissing a child would be fine too?

and words to the effect "he loved children so much" in his obituary to be acceptable?

You dont seem to understand its not that the sin is unforgivable or that the person themselves are evil but that god does not condone these sins and the church can not be seen to be doing so....

The problem lies not with the person being gay or a pedophile but the public celebartion of his sinful life.
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marytartor replied on August 14th, 2007
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A man showing affection to another consenting man is not damaging. Whereas pedophila well pedophilia is definently different and WORSE than homosexuality sin wise. Two consenting people, one virtually rape. I think G-d would definently hold one higher than the other. I also don't think the church would be condoning homosexuality by holding this man's funeral.
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marytartor replied on August 14th, 2007
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and by virtually... I mean it is rape.
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marytartor replied on August 14th, 2007
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Its not a celebration of his sinful life! Its a celebration of his life.
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Jude-Love replied on August 14th, 2007
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who was it who said all sin is sin and no one has the right to say one sin is worse than another?


So, if sins are basically the same, then why are adulterers allowed to get married? Or people who have pre-marital sex?
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Rodge replied on August 14th, 2007
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WHY DO PEOPLE COMPARE HOMOSEXUALITY TO PAEDOPHILIA? Evil or
Very Mad

Sorry, touchy subject. Seriously, though. How is it ever a valid comparison?
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Rodge replied on August 14th, 2007
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Jude-Love wrote:
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who was it who said all sin is sin and no one has the right to say one sin is worse than another?


So, if sins are basically the same, then why are adulterers allowed to get married? Or people who have pre-marital sex?


Because ew, icky gay people. Duh. Rolling Eyes
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Tylanas replied on August 14th, 2007
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As I said in my other post, it is bottom line "Eew icky gay people". Very well put. And I hate it. I don't hate much, but I do hate discrimination due to sexual preference. What they do in their bedroom is NONE of the church's F*ing business.

Get out of our bedrooms.
Get out of our uteruses.
Get out of our houses.

Get out of our business.
It's none of yours.

I find it so hypocritical HOW much the church cares about sex. Sex doesn't generally harm people.

Yet violence is celebrated in the bible, god himself commands it. The world will end in violence.

What is more accepted in a movie?
Blood or boobs? Blood.
Gore or gonads? Gore.
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marytartor replied on August 14th, 2007
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Rodge wrote:
WHY DO PEOPLE COMPARE HOMOSEXUALITY TO PAEDOPHILIA? Evil or
Very Mad

Sorry, touchy subject. Seriously, though. How is it ever a valid comparison?


Its not! Its stupid!
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milletics replied on August 15th, 2007
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Rodge wrote:
I love that people seem to think the ultimate hippie pacifist would ever hurt or shun people. I'm not religious, but from what I can recall Jesus was all about acceptance and universal love, and he wanted his followers to be the same way. what happened to that?


Jesus said "go and sin no more"
Jesus is all about love. But he hated sin. He stated this.
The problem with what you stated is that Jesus wants us to repent.
Which means to sin no more.
Or at least try.
Homosexuality is an abomination to God (God's word..not mine). Those who practice it are not repenting of this.
He tells us what happens to an unbelieving unrepentant heart.
Everyone slips up and everyone sins. We all need to repent.
But homosexuals are continuously living in sin. As are alcoholics and drug abusers and wife beaters...etc.
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sillyakchick replied on August 15th, 2007
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milletics wrote:
Rodge wrote:
I love that people seem to think the ultimate hippie pacifist would ever hurt or shun people. I'm not religious, but from what I can recall Jesus was all about acceptance and universal love, and he wanted his followers to be the same way. what happened to that?


Jesus said "go and sin no more"
Jesus is all about love. But he hated sin. He stated this.
The problem with what you stated is that Jesus wants us to repent.
Which means to sin no more.
Or at least try.
Homosexuality is an abomination to God (God's word..not mine). Those who practice it are not repenting of this.
He tells us what happens to an unbelieving unrepentant heart.
Everyone slips up and everyone sins. We all need to repent.
But homosexuals are continuously living in sin. As are alcoholics and drug abusers and wife beaters...etc.


OK if alcoholism is sinning (and I have not heaard the bible talking about this but OK) then I suppose a funeral for someone who was an alcoholic had better not show that person having a champagne toast at his or her daughter's wedding, right? 'Cause that's just condoning his lifestyle which was so sinful, right? Wrong. Homosexuals have become the scapegoats of religious fanatics who insist on spreading thir hatred around. It is easy to pick on "flag-gots" because they are so feminine and flagrant, isn't it. Well, I have had it with this debate, it's going no where.

Let me ask you one final question: How would you feel if one of your friends was bludgeoned to unconsciousness with the butt of a pistol, tied to a barbed wire fence and then left to die in the middle of a field in Wyoming? How would you feel if someone arrived at his funeral with signs that said "God Hates You"? Bet you would feel pretty horrible. Well that happened to my very good friend Matthew Shepard, but the signs said "God Hates people". People picketed his funeral because people have some horrified response to Gays. Do you think people would have done that if he had been an alcoholic? A wife beater? An adulterer? A greedy business man? A sloth-like person who never got off of his couch? A proud beauty queen? If I remember, these are just a sampling of the seven deadly sins, right? Why can these people have funerals and show photos of their slovenly/greedy/prooud life, but Gays can't? I think maybe you ought to rethink your logic becuase I can drive a car through the holes in it.
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