Nowadays Medical Standards for Schizophrenia Posted: 08-14-07 03:13am
By today's medical standards, Jesus Christ
and Muhammad, are both clear cut cases of
Schizophrenia.
Therefore, no doubt, if Jesus Christ
returned, he would be placed on meds.
Have we made a mistake ?
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Chezzy
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Posted: 08-14-07 03:51am
How do you come up with that??????
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Philo
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Posted: 08-14-07 11:15am
Back then people on the whole were looking
for different things than they do now. I
mean, it's true that human nature never
changes, but at the same time more people
back then were looking for holiness; now
they just look for the newest item on
sale.
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FANTABULOUS
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Posted: 08-14-07 11:31am
There is nothing new about it.
If you claimed you that the blind could
healed, or that you could walk on water,
or make any claims concerning the use of
such miraculous mechanics of reality these
days, or even claim to have knowledge that
greatly surpassed that of the rest of
people of the world, then most likely you
will be classified as a Schizophrenic.
For instance, I have made claims that the
mechanics of reality have also been taken
advantage of today, thus to perform
miraculous events, but unlike in the past,
they are entirely negative events.
This response to this from others has been
that I am being delusional.
In short, if something outstanding occurs
2,000 years ago, then it gets the
spiritual OK.
But if something of similar nature is
reported today, then the reporter is
classified as a psychotic nutcase.
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Posted: 08-14-07 14:03pm
That's simply because people were more
unaware of their world back then, in
addition to the fact that information was
not passed along immediately. The first
writings of Christ occured 70 years after
he died, so imagine what would happen if
someone, just today, started to write a
history of WWII using hearsay information.
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Posted: 08-15-07 09:42am
Not all accounts of Jesus Christ are
miracle-based. In the Gnostic gospels he
just talks about finding your true self
and gives riddles, much like a
philosopher. In other words, he's pretty
"normal".
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Posted: 08-15-07 09:49am
I definitely agree with that, I would say
that most likely, based on what we know
about how people exaggerate, lie and
constantly get things wrong, that Jesus
was probably a normal guy who had some
really great ideas for humanity. Too bad
we didn't listen.
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Posted: 08-15-07 14:00pm
Philo
wrote:
Not all accounts of Jesus
Christ are miracle-based. In the Gnostic
gospels he just talks about finding your
true self and gives riddles, much like a
philosopher. In other words, he's pretty
"normal".
Stan Stepanic
wrote:
Jesus was probably a normal
guy who had some really great ideas for
humanity. Too bad we didn't
listen.
I'll get right to it and tell Jesus that
he was nothing special, via word from the
present. I guess the fact that he has
witnessed all, from the beginning to the
end, the alpha and the omega, just ain't
worth much anymore.
So what if he came from the Holistic plane
of reality, where all time, from the
beginning to the end, can all be seen due
to the view not being limited to the
present time as is ours.
OH WELL !
Jesus Wept.
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Stan
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Posted: 08-15-07 14:12pm
I'm starting to weep from your posts. You
still never answered my questions with
your own thoughts and keep pasting stuff
from that site.
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Posted: 08-16-07 08:48am
lol. Right on!
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Posted: 08-16-07 09:34am
FANTABULOUS
wrote:
So what if he came from the
Holistic plane of reality, where all time,
from the beginning to the end, can all be
seen due to the view not being limited to
the present time as is
ours.
Didn't we all come from there?
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Posted: 08-16-07 09:43am
Don't even bother asking him questions
about it, he won't respond with anything
other than cut and pasted sections of that
stupid site he's obsessed with.
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Posted: 08-17-07 14:36pm
i once heard them define a special type of
sz, some extreme type, just for jesus.
just wanted to say, i also noticed, that
'ghost stories', as i call them and
sometimes post, are not ok to tell in
public. i get in a little trouble even
posting on sz websites! certainly for
saying it at work. my boss has a rule, the
ring of fire extends to the curb, and
within the ring i can't discuss magic,
shamanism, or sz.
i can't say it in public, i can't say it
in the movie theatre. BUT, if i write it
in screenplay format, and get it into the
movies, and it plays on the screen, well
then, it's OK! Blair Witch Project was
playing as i was coming down off my two
months of seroquel. how come they get away
with that?
i also noticed that we lock up anyone who
gets too into their madness, but Adam
zagajewski won a nobel prize for
literature, using obvious sz, or the one i
just found out about this week: Bruno
Schulz. some called him one of the
greatest writers of the 20th century
(1920s i think) and it's total sz. what a
great use for sz! but it';s a fine line
between the nobel prize for sz and the
insane asylum or homelessness. that's
wierd!
-onderdonk
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Posted: 08-18-07 11:55am
ONDERDONK
wrote:
i can't say it in public, i
can't say it in the movie theatre. BUT, if
i write it in screenplay format, and get
it into the movies, and it plays on the
screen, well then, it's
OK!
That's because in movies we act out
everything we fantasize about but don't
really want to happen. Killing, raping,
getting in trouble with a witch... We all
really want to be Harry Potters, but not
really.
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Posted: 09-13-07 17:44pm
It all comes down to doing something out
of the norm that has one classified as a
nut case.
Once the word " Schizophrenia " was
stampeded on my forehead by society, even
my father became a genius. In other
words, once you have been tagged with the
title " Schizophrenia ", everyone around
you suddenly becomes superior, or at least
that is what they think of them selves.
From then on they speak down to you as
though you are now nothing but a fool /
dumbdumb.
My father no longer believed a single word
that came from my mouth.
I told him about particular problems that
I was having with the Psychiatrists that I
was stuck with when looking for answers to
what at that time was still an
inexplicable problem.
He did not believe one word of what I had
said. And so I continued with these
reports, but at the same time gathered
physical evidence to support what I had
said. This was mostly evidence that was
hand written by the Doctor himself.
Eventually my father basically said that
only an absolute bloody fool would believe
these ridiculously insane stories that I
kept on informing him about.
Then I pulled out the physical evidence.
As soon as he saw the collection of
evidence, his face turned red, and he
became speechless. That was the last time
we have spoken, other than at a couple of
family get togethers. The truth was now in
my ballpark, and so he chose to run away.
This also means he has run away not just
from me, but from truth itself.
My behavioral patters are not 100% within
the rules of the global behavioral
conformity, therefore society says buzz
off.
Even in my younger days, for instance, I
built a 6 transistor radio for a school
science project. The marks I received for
this were poor indeed. A few days later I
overheard the teacher say that he had
given SEAN poor marks due the obvious fact
that SEAN had not built the radio, and no
doubt it was built by his older brother.
According to the teachers view of me, I
was not capable of doing such a thing.
Or there was the time when my memory was
lousy and so I devised a method to improve
my memory. I dragged my mother downstairs
into the basement where it was quiet after
I had asked her to help me put my new
memorizing method to the test, since I had
a Latin test coming up and studying was
necessary ASAP.
I received a mark in the 90's for that
test. The teacher moved toward me while
gently handing the test sheets out one at
a time to the students. When he got to me,
he threw my test paper into my face. I was
momentarily puzzled, but once I saw the
mark, I totally forgot about his bizarre
behavior.
For the rest of the year at the beginning
of the class he would often ask a few
questions that always only had two
students responding. It was always the
same two students who had the answers. But
he would ask me instead, and I never had
the answer. It turned out that these two
"advanced "students were also given next
years Latin text books. That was where
the answer to his questions could be
found. In short, he spent the rest of the
year making a fool out of me in front of
the entire class.
Years later I spoke to my mother about
this. She then informed me that the Latin
teacher had phoned her and had said that
SEAN had cheated on the test and had
obviously gotten the answers from his
older brother.
My mother gave him hell for saying that
since she had helped me study for that
test in the first place, and then the
Latin teacher passed the hell onto me for
the rest of that year.
Once again, according to the teachers view
of me, I was not capable of doing such a
thing as passing a test with flying
colors.
All this ongoing kind of rejection, which
never stopped, simply went on because my
behavioral patterns were not the same as
the expected behavior of an educated /
trained monkey, just as society expects it
to be.
Another example. Since I did not behave
with the standard pattern of Monkey see,
Monkey believe, I noticed that Motion seem
bizarre indeed. In my spare time, I
analyzed motion, and did so mostly while
lying in bed at the end of the day.
Eventually I figured out the basics of
what made variable motion possible.
I then converted my understandings into
equations. Years later I found out that my
equations turned out to be identical to
those known as the Lorentz-Fitzgerald
Contraction equation, the Time dilation
equation, the Lorentz transformation
equations, and the Velocity Addition
equation.
These equations also all apply to
Einstein's Special Principle of
Relativity.
Taking into account the fact that my
parents pulled me out of school prior to
me having completed grade ten, this
achievement is a bit out of the norm since
I had no education in physics at all.
But once again, since my behavior is not
that of a train monkey, this achievement
is not considered to be of any value at
all because I am not a member of the
trained monkey global behavior conformity
club.
And of course if you try to make a point,
and then no one listens, if you repeat
making your point again, it is then
rejected under the " reject due to
repetition " rule.
So try not to forget this rule. If you
are half dead on the side of the road,
only scream for help, once. Or if you in
front of a hospital at the time, please
obey the sign " QUIET PLEASE, HOSPITAL
ZONE ", and only whisper for help.
Remember that this is a world full of
people who are slaves to behavioral rules,
rather than simply follow rules without
sacrificing intellect at the same time.
once you have been tagged
with the title " Schizophrenia ", everyone
around you suddenly becomes
superior
you hit the nail on the head. I couldn't
agree more with that.
edit: I mean that they aren't really
superior, I agree with you
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Monkey See Monkey Believe Posted: 09-13-07 19:53pm
best post i've read in a while!
"remarkable!"
me too, i'm with you. no "monkey see
monkey believe" for me!
i had the same experience two days ago,
all afternoon, in this forum. I am
diagnosed schizotypal personality
disorder, so I start to explain a theory,
and people say that's all wrong, all
delusions. I say it's a heuristic theory,
works better than what science has to
offer, which isn't much. science has no
explanation for life, no explanation for
movement, no explanation for life moving!
lots of other poroblems too, like it
thinks there's GRAVITY inside the ground
pulling us down!
Anyway, I post my delusions, and then the
site people say I can't possibly have a
job, I must be lying. I have a job, I act
normal, just very energetic, and speak
only about citrix computing. I teach all
day, a 6 day class, 500 dollars a day
consulting fee, I only work one or two
weeks a month, then live the contemplative
life: reading - physics, new york times,
religion, spirituality, shamanism, chinese
poetry, memoirs of schizophrenics,
whatever... and walk around in the
mountains trying to digest the difficult
questions: - "what is evil", " what is at
the center of the black hole", "why do the
sz drugs work - and not work - the way
they do and don't ", etc. And I get
answers from the demon world on all that
stuff, way outside the scope of science.
I'd like to share the info, help the
humans, but they are afraid, don't want to
know.
Like your father, I don't think they feel
superior, I think they are frightened and
want to ignore your existence, sweep you
under the rug, 'cause they don't have the
mental energy to compete with you. You
want to wander in the mystery and wonder.
They want to "know for sure", even if it
is just a theory, and just live their
lives and they don't care as much about
the universe as you and i do.
i think the human race is in the toddler
stage - still playing with his toys, in is
own little world, the "worldly minded
camarilla". someday he'll climb out of the
"hole of human knowledge, put away
his"toys" - (science, reason) into a
toybox and lock it up, and come out in to
the world of mystery and wonder, to work
and play with his brothers and sisters,
the animals and plants and spirits and
little kids and shamans and schizophreics.
Till then, I keep an eye on mankind, tease
him alittle about being down in that hole,
but if you scare them too much, they get
really scared and they try to ambush and
kill the shaman. So I leave them behind,
and go flying away for a little while....
me, I have the mental energy to compete
with you. No monkey see monkey believe for
me. Thanks for the phrase, bet this one
gets some mileage!!!
If I told you that I KNEW that the world
was flat for a fact, you'd call me crazy.
If I said that blacks just arn't as good
as whites and it'd be better for them if
whites would just clothe, feed and give
them a place to stay in exchange for work
because they can't take care of
themselves, you call me crazy (or agree
because you're a white supremeist). If I
told you that the entire universe circled
around the earth, you'd discredit me. Now
we know these things arn't accepted as
true anymore, but they used to be. There
was a time that all of us would have been
burned at the stake or worse for what we
go through because we're witches communing
with dark spirits. What are they going to
say in the future? Are they going to say
"can you beleive what people used to do to
schizophrenics? They thought is was a
disease and actually tried to stop the
voices! How silly is that?" They call it a
defect, maybe it's just evolution. Our
minds are capable of somthing they can
never reproduce. I will admit that it
isn't always plesant (for me at least),
but I don't know if I want to stop it. My
meds arn't working right and I'm tired of
them. We keep adjusting them but I'm tired
of that. I might just be happy the way I
am, without meds.
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Re: Monkey See Monkey Believe Posted: 09-14-07 11:39am
ONDERDONK
wrote:
i think the human race is in the toddler
stage - still playing with his toys, in is
own little world, the "worldly minded
camarilla". someday he'll climb out of the
"hole of human knowledge, put away
his"toys" - (science, reason) into a
toybox and lock it up, and come out in to
the world of mystery and
wonder
I think the opposite is happening. The
world is adopting the Western mode of
living more and more, which is based on
"toys", science, technology. Old mysteries
and wisdoms are dying out. The world is
regressing into toddler stage.
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Posted: 09-14-07 12:28pm
Definitely agree with Philo there and it's
one of my biggest problems and concerns
with modern society.
