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Surrogacy And Abortion Posted: 08-24-07 06:32am
Should a woman who is carrying a baby for
another couple have the right to
electively abort ie/ she changes her
mind?
What if the foetus is made from the
couple's egg and sperm and is biologically
not her child?
I'm not talking about to save her life
here - just elective abortion.
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benc152
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Posted: 08-24-07 06:38am
No I don't think so.
If you say yes to being a surrogate mother
then I would hope you had put enough
thought into it and not change your mind
The simple reason that I say you can't do
that is because it costs something roughly
around $6000 (i think, it's a lot anyway)
to preform the operation and the couple
would pay for that.
Because it is such an expensive investment
I think there should be some form of
contract drawn up to begin with so that
the woman cannot legally abort the unborn
child
not on an abortion debate stance, but
simply from the fact that the couple have
put a lot of trust, time, money and
possibly even love into the situation and
therefore it would just simply not be
fair.
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Georgia59
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Posted: 08-24-07 12:13pm
No- just because she's breaking the deal!
I'd be mad if I paid for someone to be a
surrogate for me and she stopped.
It'd be like if you hired someone to make
you a wedding cake, but they took the
money and ate the cake. Lawsuit, please!!
I realizes that dehumanizes the experience
but it is a legal/financial agreement....
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Re: Surrogacy And Abortion Posted: 08-24-07 12:23pm
Jules
wrote:
Should a woman who is
carrying a baby for another couple have
the right to electively abort ie/ she
changes her mind?
What if the foetus is made from the
couple's egg and sperm and is biologically
not her child?
I'm not talking about to save her life
here - just elective
abortion.
Mm... I honestly feel no, as by becoming a
surrogate mother she really kind of "sold"
or "loaned" her body to the other couple
and their baby.
I think of it in this way, and I know
there are holes:
If a woman is pregnant with her own baby,
it is her choice to abort because it is
her body and she conceived it, whether on
purpose or not.
If a woman is a surrogate, the baby was
conceived on purpose by other people and
she promised to let that fetus be in her
body until it was time to be born.
I don't feel she has the right to
electively abort someone else's potential
child.
Now, if she talked to the family and they
agreed as well, then by all means, go for
it. But I just can't feel right about a
surrogate mother aborting someone else's
child.
I know, I know, it conflicts with the
basic pro-choice edict of "her body, her
choice". But I feel that when you become a
surrogate, it's not your body any more.
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Jude-Love
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Posted: 08-24-07 12:35pm
That is majorly tricky.
I'm going to go with no. However, I think
that in this sort of process, a woman
should have to sign something so she is
completely aware of what she can and
cannot do. Abortion being one of those
things.
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Georgia59
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Posted: 08-24-07 12:36pm
I agree. I wouldn't be concerned for moral
reasons, and if the couple who hired her
were ok with it then I'd be fine with it.
But otherwise she's breaking the deal.
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Tylanas
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Posted: 08-24-07 12:41pm
Jude-Love
wrote:
That is majorly tricky.
I'm going to go with no. However, I think
that in this sort of process, a woman
should have to sign something so she is
completely aware of what she can and
cannot do. Abortion being one of those
things.
Right! Yes *laugh*
As others have said - and me too, just in
a less eloquent way, she'd be breaking the
contract, wasting a lot of money... and
breaking the hearts of a couple.
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meblonde01
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Posted: 08-24-07 12:57pm
I say yes.. it she doesn' t want that
parasite in her and felt she made a
mistake she should have every right to
abort it..
Just kidding.. I think No..
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Posted: 08-24-07 20:38pm
IT IS still HER BODY!
Surrogacy or not. That is what pro choice
is about.. The WOMAN'S BODY..
Now is it mean? YES
Should she have to pay the family back
their expenses? YES
It is still inside of her body though
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Posted: 08-24-07 21:23pm
She should have to pay that family more
than just the expenses of the procedure
and all the money she was getting for
being a surrogate. She should have to pay
for their emotional trauma. That, I would
say, is the ultimate price.
And she hasn't aborted her
child. She aborted someone else's child.
If she'd kicked a pregnant woman in the
stomach and caused a miscarriage, these
days they could very well try that in
court as manslaughter. I see it no
different.
When it's a child/zef YOU conceived
(whether on purpose or not), yes you have
that choice. But it is not her child in
any way shape or form, so I don't believe
it is her right to choose to abort it.
Let's not bring in maternal mortality to
this; since it was stated in the original
post that this is ONLY for "elective"
abortions.
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Posted: 08-24-07 22:03pm
AS far as abortion goes, it does not
matter WHOSE embryo it is.
Abortion is not about 'Who owns the
fetus', it is about the womans body, the
woman who is indeed pregnant.
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Posted: 08-24-07 22:07pm
I feel there are cases where your body
doesn't matter anymore.
Those parents BOUGHT her body to carry
their child. That's how I view surrogacy.
I don't think it's wrong, I think it's
wonderful; but legally that's what it is.
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embarrassed40
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Posted: 08-24-07 22:23pm
I absolutely do not think she should have
the abortion, BUT I think she has the
RIGHT to have it. I think it is close to
being a crime though, and would go so far
as saying it is so inconsiderate and
antisocial that maybe a little prison time
would be in order. I know people go to
prison for a lot less than that and it
would most likely cut down on the women
that do abort a surrogate child midway.
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Posted: 08-25-07 07:20am
This is sort of a flip flop for
pro-choicers.. who usually say it is her
body.. now it is her body but she
shouldn't, can't abort?? isn't that sort
of like cherry picking as done in
religions? Pick out the parts you want?
You either feel it is her body to do as
she wants or you don't.. Not pick and
choose.. I guess we all do it...
FLIP FLOP..
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benc152
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Re: Surrogacy And Abortion Posted: 08-25-07 07:51am
Eiri
wrote:
I know, I know, it conflicts with the
basic pro-choice edict of "her body, her
choice". But I feel that when you become a
surrogate, it's not your body any
more.
I know this is off topic and i'm sorry but
yeah.
Just wanted to see that's exactly how i
see it in the whole "mens rights for
abortion" thing. it's not just the womans
body once she's pregnant, it's hers, the
babies and whoever else is involved in the
situation for the 9 months.
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Posted: 08-25-07 08:22am
I'm with cambion, it's the woman carrying
the pregnancy who is the legal mother,
regardless of biologically hers or not so
she should be able to abort. However, I
think women getting into a surrogacy
relationship should be prepared to go full
term as that's the agreement but it's
still her choice whether or not to abort
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Posted: 08-25-07 12:27pm
Moo, I haven't replied to this topic
yet...but perhaps you've read my mind.
I also feel a surrogate mother should have
the right to abort, regardless of what
wanna-mom and wanna-dad want. It's the
surrogate mother's body, not the
biological mother's, and if the surrogate
suddenly has an issue with the
arrangement, then too bleedin' bad for the
parents because it's not her body. But, a
lot of thought needs to go into the
decision to let people use your body as an
incubator. But...if we make it illegal for
one group of women (albeit very small) to
get abortions, this may very well open the
door for the banning of abortions for
other groups of women. We really should
not put ideas into the heads of the
pro-lifers.
Yeah, it would suck if the surrogate
backed out and aborted, but perhaps the
parents who bought her could demand a
refund from her if it was that big of a
blasted deal. Or...maybe the wannabe
parents could accept the blasted fact
that, if they can't conceive naturally,
they aren't meant to spawn and should move
on with their lives and donate that $6000
to children's charities instead of being
selfish and bringing yet another kid into
the world.
Let me pose another question based on the
one the OP asked...what if the child the
surrogate was carrying had some kind of
defect (Down's syndrome, enecephaly
(spelling?), missing organs, deformities,
etc.)? What if she wanted to abort, but
the parents using her body did not want
her to? Or vice versa? What if the
biological parents want to abort and the
surrogate wants to carry to term?
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Posted: 08-25-07 13:11pm
meblonde01
wrote:
This is sort of a flip flop
for pro-choicers.. who usually say it is
her body.. now it is her body but she
shouldn't, can't abort?? isn't that sort
of like cherry picking as done in
religions? Pick out the parts you want?
You either feel it is her body to do as
she wants or you don't.. Not pick and
choose.. I guess we all do it...
FLIP FLOP..
Yes, except that being pro-choice isn't a
religion, it's an idea, and as the great
movie Dogma said, "ideas can change".
We don't have to always feel the
same way on every situation to be
pro-choice. We can have different opinions
in different cases.
I see nothing wrong with that. Trying to
say that a pro-choicer must be pro-choice
in all cases no matter what is once again
trying to turn the world black and white,
which is what pro-choice fights against on
a daily basis!!!
As I have said dozens of times: Extremism
on EITHER side shows a complete lack of
common sense.
Abortion is ALWAYS okay: Bad concept.
Abortion is ALWAYS wrong: Bad concept.
There are times where abortion is just
plain sick and wrong.
There are cases where abortion is the
absolute best decision.
So abortion can't always be right and it
can't always be wrong.
Get some common sense people. Stop being
extremists. You're just as bad as the
other side when YOU refuse to compromise.
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meblonde01
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Posted: 08-25-07 13:23pm
Eiri
wrote:
meblonde01
wrote:
This is sort of a flip flop
for pro-choicers.. who usually say it is
her body.. now it is her body but she
shouldn't, can't abort?? isn't that sort
of like cherry picking as done in
religions? Pick out the parts you want?
You either feel it is her body to do as
she wants or you don't.. Not pick and
choose.. I guess we all do it...
FLIP FLOP..
Yes, except that being pro-choice isn't a
religion, it's an idea, and as the great
movie Dogma said, "ideas can change".
We don't have to always feel the
same way on every situation to be
pro-choice. We can have different opinions
in different cases.
I see nothing wrong with that. Trying to
say that a pro-choicer must be pro-choice
in all cases no matter what is once again
trying to turn the world black and white,
which is what pro-choice fights against on
a daily basis!!!
As I have said dozens of times: Extremism
on EITHER side shows a complete lack of
common sense.
Abortion is ALWAYS okay: Bad concept.
Abortion is ALWAYS wrong: Bad concept.
There are times where abortion is just
plain sick and wrong.
There are cases where abortion is the
absolute best decision.
So abortion can't always be right and it
can't always be wrong.
Get some common sense people. Stop being
extremists. You're just as bad as the
other side when YOU refuse to
compromise.
So are you saying if a person has a
religion they should abide by it or is
there room for choice? Pick and choose? or
stay solid to their belief? Por-choice is
a belief just like a belief in a
religion.. You believe, but there is room
for choice. But if a person has a religion
they can’t have any choice? I don't see
that as a lack of common sense.
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Posted: 08-25-07 13:34pm
Can you at least comment a little on my
claims of extremism being bad for both
sides? That was the WHOLE POINT of my
post. You nit-picked one sentence to my
knowledge. Got anything to say about the
rest of my post?