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Abortion, Pregnancy And Parenthood Posted: 08-31-07 09:12am
I will look at arguments for and against
abortion: arguments concerning the right
to control one’s own body, the right to
immunity from bodily attacks, and stages
in development such as viability or the
capacity for rational thought which have
been suggested as the point when human
life acquires serious moral status.
Before focusing on these moral arguments,
it is worth noting that abortion raises
emotional, as well as intellectual
problems. Many people are personally
affected by abortion, or fear they may
need to resort to abortion at some time in
the future (for example, if their
contraception fails). The idea that
abortion could be morally wrong is one
which may be personally very challenging.
What would it mean? That we would need to
look again at our own past abortions? At
our sexual relationships? Accept any child
we may conceive in the future, however
difficult that may be? Change our job, if
there is a link to abortion? Alienate our
friends?
It is tempting at this point to bypass the
moral question altogether, by saying that
abortion is ‘necessary’ for women - a
‘fact of life’. After all, women have
projects and commitments which are not
always compatible with pregnancy and
childbirth at any given time. They need to
be able to plan their lives, as men do,
without fear of having their plans
overturned by biological events. And
without easy access to abortion, will we
not have unplanned and unwanted children -
and, indeed, women killed or injured by
backstreet abortions?
These are serious questions, which I will
return to later on. Here it is enough to
say that the moral question of abortion
cannot be bypassed simply by saying that
abortion is ‘necessary’. If it really
is the case that the fetus is a child, as
opponents of abortion claim, it will be
very hard to say that it is
‘necessary’ to take that child’s
life. We might think here of street
children in Brazil, who are literally shot
by those who want to ‘clear the
streets’ of their unwanted presence. To
kill such children on the grounds that
they are unwanted by parents or society is
clearly not acceptable: we need to respond
in a very different way to the social
challenge they pose. Similarly, if the
fetus is a child - a possibility which has
to be confronted - we will need to find
non-violent ways of responding to its
presence, however unwelcome that presence
may at first be.
Controlling our bodies
There is another way of pre-empting the
question of the status of the fetus, which
is to say that a woman has an absolute
right to control her own body. The fetus
is located within, and dependent on, the
body of the pregnant woman. Even assuming
that the fetus is a ‘person’ or human
being, with all the rights that this
involves, surely no other person has the
right to make use of my body?
This may seem initially plausible: your
body may seem like ‘property’ over
which you have total control. When we look
more closely, however, we see that any
form of support for another person will
involve your body in some way. This
applies whether you are breastfeeding a
baby, spoon-feeding your disabled brother
or sister, or even writing a cheque for
the hostel down the road.
So does that mean you need not support
anyone - not even members of your own
family - just because your body is
involved? You may not have chosen to have
a brother or sister, or a newborn child
who needs you, but not all moral
obligations are chosen: many simply arise.
If you were to let your baby starve to
death, because you were unwilling to feed
it and no-one else could take your place,
it would be a poor excuse to say that you
never chose to have a child depending on
your body. So why is it any more
acceptable to withdraw bodily support
before the child is born?
Bodily attacks
Moreover, abortion is not, in many cases,
a mere withdrawal of bodily support. To
begin with, the aim of abortion, whatever
the method used, will often be to destroy
the fetus, not simply to remove it from
the woman’s body. Often the woman and
the doctor performing the abortion do not
simply want to stop the woman being
pregnant; they want there not to be a baby
in the world for whom they are
responsible. Thus in the case of a late
abortion performed by inducing labour, the
fetus is often injected beforehand with
the poison potassium chloride, precisely
to ensure that it does not survive being
born.
Even if the aim is not to kill the unborn
child, abortion will still very often
involve a deliberate attack on the
child’s body. For example, in abortion
by vacuum aspiration, a very common form
of early abortion, the baby is sucked
piecemeal down the tube. At the end of the
procedure, the nurse has the unpleasant
task of reconstructing the body to make
sure no parts are left inside the
woman’s womb. The woman herself may not
be aware of just what her abortion will
involve: euphemisms such as ‘the
contents of the uterus’ are often used.
However, it is clear that this procedure
is not a mere ‘removal’ of the fetus
from the womb.
We need to ask: does not the fetus -
assuming it has the moral status of a
human being - have a right to have its
body respected, and not deliberately
attacked? Undeniably, it does have this
right, if it has full human status. Just
as the woman has a right not to have her
body attacked - for example, poisoned or
pulled apart - the same is true of her
unborn child.
Condemning women?
There is no avoiding the central moral
question posed by abortion: does the fetus
have the moral status of any human being?
Before looking at this question, however,
there is one point which needs to be made
clear. It is often assumed that any
suggestion that abortion is morally
unjustified implies a harsh and hostile
view of those who have abortions.
This is not the case: there are many
reasons why a woman who has an abortion
may not be fully aware of what abortion
involves. And even if she were aware, this
does not mean she should be harshly judged
by other people. Abortion is arguably at
least as harmful for the woman herself as
it is for her child: women who have had
abortions need more, not less, support on
that account.
Status of the fetus
I will return later to the impact which
abortion has on women. In the meantime,
how should we deal with the question of
the status of the fetus? A frequent
suggestion is that ‘viability’, or the
capacity to survive outside the womb, is
what gives a child status. However, this
is simply to assert that the weak (or the
weakest) have no moral claim on the strong
- which is not what we say about born
human beings who are weak and dependent.
To say that a newborn child is ‘less
human’ than we are, just because it
needs the help of others, would be morally
outrageous. Strength and size can never
determine the status of any human being.
And we all owe our lives to the fact that
we were cared-for and respected when we
were small and weak and dependent
ourselves.
We should remember that viability depends
on the medical facilities available for
premature babies: a baby who is viable in
a modern Western hospital may not be
viable in an African village. Can a
child’s moral status depend on the mere
fact of where it is located? And why
should a child have a serious moral claim
on the pregnant woman only at the point
when it is strong enough to live outside
her body? Similar questions arise in
relation to the claim that the fetus does
not have human status because so many
unborn children naturally miscarry. Do we
say that terminal patients have a lower
moral status than other human beings, just
because they may die naturally within a
few weeks? What has strength to do with
status?
Again, some people claim that the fetus is
not a human being until it is visibly and
obviously human. However, no-one would
deny that a child with serious facial
deformities was as much a human being as a
child of more conventional appearance.
‘Human’ appearance makes no difference
to a child’s moral status, any more than
size or strength. (In any case, the fetus
does ‘look human’ from surprisingly
early on in pregnancy. Even the very young
embryo ‘looks human’ to those who know
what a human individual looks like at that
stage in its life.) There are, of course,
differences in structure and appearance
between embryo and fetus, fetus and
infant, infant and toddler, and so on.
But why should these differences have any
relevance to that individual’s moral
status?
Some see the fetus as having human status
only when the mother has bonded with the
fetus: has come to see it as her child. A
wanted fetus is a ‘person’, on this
view, while an unwanted fetus is not. The
problem here is that we do not normally
think that people are only morally
significant when other people come to see
them as such. What would we say about
those who refuse to recognize people of
other races, or those with disabilities:
are such people not human, in the moral
sense, until they are recognized as human?
Humanity makes demands on us which are
objective: it is not up to us to confer
human status or withdraw it when we
choose.
Living human persons
Some say that only those human beings or
‘persons’ who are currently capable of
(for example) rational thought have full
moral status. This would also exclude
newborn babies from the moral category of
‘person’ - but some claim that babies,
too, are morally ‘subpersonal’, and
have no right to life. After all, babies
cannot think rationally, or set a value on
their own lives, any more than unborn
children.
This approach fails, however, to recognize
the bodily nature of the human moral
subject. We are not purely spiritual
beings, even if we have a spiritual
aspect. Rather, we are living human
organisms: animals of a special kind. We
belong to the rational human species, and
are fulfilled by (among other things)
using the powers we have to develop
rational abilities. To ask when the human
being or person begins, we should ask when
the human animal begins. The answer to
this will normally be: at fertilization.
Admittedly, not every embryo is created at
fertilization: twins can be created when
cells are separated from an existing
embryo. However, whether an embryo is
created from sperm and egg, or from cells
of an existing embryo, each embryo is the
first stage in the life-cycle of a human
being.
Once we accept that the embryo is a human
individual at the start of its life, the
way is open to recognize the interests of
the embryo (and fetus and infant) in its
own future well-being. Having an interest
in one’s own well-being is different
from taking an interest. Imagine a
16-year-old girl with brain damage that
will heal itself within nine months. The
girl is deeply unconscious and cannot take
an interest in her own health. Nor can she
take an interest in other things which
require her to be healthy, or at least,
rational and conscious - for example, in
going to university, making new friends,
and so on. However, she has an interest in
her own health (for example, if there is
some possible treatment, she will have an
interest in that treatment). She also has
an interest in the things health makes
possible - study, friendships, and so on -
in that these things are good for the kind
of being she is. Even if her body cannot
heal itself, and even if it cannot be
healed by medical treatment, she will
still have an interest in health and other
things which are good for human beings.
The same is true of an unborn child, who
does not normally need to heal from
damage, but merely needs to grow up in a
family to have rational abilities.
We need to remember that people are
morally important, not just their thoughts
and feelings. In fact, thoughts and
feelings are important precisely because
they are good (or potentially good) for
the human being who has them. It is good
for me, as an embryo, fetus, and infant,
to grow up to have thoughts and feelings
of a kind I cannot have for many years. If
the fetus is me, why is it not bad for me
to be deprived of my life? And why is it
not morally wrong for me to be
deliberately deprived of my life - at
least if I am innocent of crime or
aggression?
Abortion and disability
Some say that, if the fetus is going to be
disabled - and especially if it will
suffer - its life may not be worth living,
so that abortion in this case may be
justified. However, to say this is to fail
to value the lives of disabled people who
are already born - as many disabled people
have themselves pointed out. Are we going
to kill born disabled people too, because
we think their lives are not worthwhile?
Should we not value the presence of all
human beings, whatever their state of
health? Of course we can always ‘prevent
disability’ by killing those who are
disabled. But this is no more acceptable
in Britain today than it was in Germany in
the 1930s, when the disabled were indeed
killed as a ‘burden’ to themselves and
the State. It is not right to treat human
beings as subhuman, or their lives as
having no value, whether on the ground of
disability, age, size or level of
development. There is no such thing as a
‘worthless’ human life.
Some claim that disability is (or can be)
so burdensome for the family of the
disabled person that this alone justifies
abortion of a disabled unborn child. This
approach tends to underestimate the
suffering involved in losing a child by
late abortion - to say nothing of the risk
of miscarriage caused by tests used to
detect medical conditions in the womb. It
also fails to recognize what countless
families of disabled children have
discovered for themselves: that the
disabled child can be experienced as a
blessing -a gift which enriches the
family. There is much we can learn from
the experience of caring for a disabled
child about the meaning of life, and of
love as unconditional acceptance. In
contrast, what we learn from abortion is
that children need not be accepted
unconditionally - and may even be killed
if they fail to meet our standards of
health.
Abortion and medicine
Abortion is not, as some practitioners
would claim, a straightforward medical
procedure. Rather, it is the very reverse
of medicine, which heals and supports
human beings. This has implications for
the doctor who is facing a request for an
abortion. Should doctors carry out their
patients’ orders blindly, no matter how
harmful this will be to the patient or to
others? We are rightly horrified by the
practice of female circumcision in some
Muslim countries. However, we unthinkingly
accept the violence done to healthy women
and their unborn children in our own
hospitals and clinics. Pregnancy is not a
disease, and abortion is not a cure. It
does not heal a woman, but rather harms
her, preventing her completing a vital
human task: a task no less important for
the fact that it is so often undervalued.
To see the fetus as an ‘invading
organism’(as one abortion advocate
describes it) is to take a deeply
distorted view of the natural and intimate
bond between a pregnant woman and her
child. The child is not seen as a son or
daughter, who needs the protection of its
mother. It is seen as the enemy: an alien
and hostile force, which needs to be
violently subdued.
Women’s interests
Abortion is not in a woman’s interests,
either medically or psychologically.
Society should change to fit women’s -
and men’s - fertility, by supporting men
and women in their responsibilities as
parents. Instead, we change the bodies of
women to make them non-pregnant, and
therefore in need of less support. But
having children is a valuable social
contribution, not a private project of
women to be carried out at their own risk.
There is a tendency for men, for example,
to wash their hands of women who decide to
go through with their pregnancies - for is
that not their choice? The child’s
father may wonder why he is expected to
contribute child support: after all, he
did not, unlike the woman, ‘choose’ to
have a child. Men, more than women, are
encouraged by abortion to think of
themselves as having ‘commitment-free’
sex: a sexual relationship with no
parental dimension, and with no strings
attached.
It comes as a surprise to many people to
learn that feminists in the 19th century
were strongly opposed to abortion, which
they saw as harmful to the woman, as well
as to her child. Now, in the 21st century,
we have ample evidence of the harm
abortion does to women, in the stories of
so many women who regret their abortions.
Abortion is not a strong and protective
choice, but a choice of weakness and fear.
It is a rejection by women of their own
creative and protective powers: a failure
to meet the challenge of parenthood, a
failure to defend one’s own child. Many
women have abortions in situations where
they themselves see abortion as morally
wrong, and struggle for years with
feelings of anger, depression and guilt as
a result. Those who regret their abortions
will often report that it took years for
them to come to terms with their feelings:
only after years of ‘blocking off’
their emotions could they admit to
themselves and to others what their
abortion really meant. To treat abortion
as a solution to the problems women face
is to fail to recognize its impact not
only on the child but on the woman
herself.
Legal issues
How, then, should the legal system respond
to the practice of abortion? If it is true
that abortion is lethal to one human
being, and also harmful to another, this
is not something towards which the law can
afford to be indifferent. We all expect
the law to protect us from homicide at the
age we are now. We also expect the law to
protect those who are younger and more
vulnerable than ourselves - for example,
newborn babies. So why should the law not
protect those who are still younger, and
still more vulnerable - to say nothing of
protecting their mothers from a harmful,
non-therapeutic procedure?
We are not talking here of truly medical
procedures, where the baby dies as a
side-effect of treatment for its mother.
An example might be a hysterectomy on a
pregnant, but cancerous womb, where the
baby’s death is foreseen, but not
intended, in operating on the pregnant
woman. Another example would be the
removal of a fallopian tube which has been
damaged by an ectopic pregnancy: in this
case, the tube would need to be removed
even if the child had already miscarried.
The aim here is not to attack the life or
body of the child, but merely to remove a
damaged organ of the mother which is
threatening her life. Clearly, to foresee
that a child will die as a side-effect of
treating its mother is something very
different from deliberately aiming at that
child’s death.
Backstreet abortion
It is often said that making abortion
illegal will result in many women dying
every year from backstreet abortions. In
fact if we look at figures for maternal
deaths, in Britain and elsewhere, we see
that they were falling in number before
permissive laws on abortion were passed,
and went on falling at a similar rate
after the passing of such laws. It was
better medical care, such as the use of
antibiotics, which reduced maternal
deaths. Of course, there will always be
some illegal abortions, whatever the law
on abortion. However, the same can be said
of other forms of violence, such as child
abuse or rape. Would we make these
practices legal, just because they still
go on, despite laws against them?
Unwanted children
The argument that we must avoid the birth
of unwanted children, who will then be
ill-treated by their parents, is also not
supported by the facts. Leaving aside the
logic of killing a child to protect it
from abuse, child abuse rates have gone
up, not down, with the legalization of
abortion. In contrast, it is well-known
that parents who were horrified to learn
of a pregnancy can be delighted once the
child has been born. While adoption is, of
course, a possibility for those who really
cannot cope with a child, most people are
able to cope with, and love, their own
children. If they can be helped through
the initial period of rejection, whether
by friends or family or by counselors,
they can be very affectionate parents,
even if they still need support.
Conclusion
What has happened to society, more than
three decades after the passing of the
Abortion Act in Britain? Society has not
become more welcoming of children, or more
celebratory of pregnancy. Women have not
been encouraged to accept, and use
responsibly, their reproductive powers,
but have rather been encouraged to reject
both their children, and themselves as
parents. In the same way, men have been
encouraged to back away from their
responsibilities for their partners and
their children.
Medicine has not become more respectful of
human life; instead, abortion has been
joined by embryo experimentation, and by
an increasing willingness to terminate
lives of ‘low quality’. Instead of
serving the health of their patients, and
supporting those who cannot be cured,
doctors increasingly see themselves as
mere technicians serving patients’
desires.
With the coming of legal abortion,
thousands of children have lost their
lives at the hands of such doctors:
children who would have loved us, and whom
we would have loved. Every abortion is a
human tragedy for the child and for its
mother: a tragedy which could - and should
- have been avoided. No child can be
‘replaced’ by a child born later.
Every child is an individual, with its own
future to respect.
In the area of abortion, the hard
questions must be faced, without seeking
refuge in slogans or in knee-jerk
reactions. Abortion is a major social
injustice, directed at those who are most
vulnerable. Many people have a vested
interest - whether personal or financial -
in this injustice not being challenged. We
must look behind the euphemisms used to
describe abortion, which themselves
testify to people’s bad conscience on
abortion, to what it really means for the
woman, and what it means for her child.
Children are not possessions under our
control, at any stage of their existence.
We should learn to live in peace with our
children, for the nine months when they
first need us - remembering that we
ourselves enjoyed the peace and safety of
the womb at the start of our lives.
Guest, you have shown yourself completely
unable and unwilling to see both
sides of the issue by making such
statements as knowing the subconsious
thoughts of others you have never met,
that no woman wants an abortion, that
every woman regrets her abortion, and by
using hyper Christian arguments to "back
up" your extremist viewpoints. Your posts
are offensive, your concrete attitude
inconducive to learning, and your
presumptions ridiculous. Even your cut
and paste jobs leave a foul stench in my
mouth.
Why are you here? You've never asked a
question; you presume to know all. Do
they teach you that in seminary school, or
just how to molest little boys?
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Posted: 08-31-07 10:57am
GUEST- Induction abortions are used for
'fetal anomaly', which means deformity,
often these babies would not live once
born.
Many women choose induction because they
want the closure of holding a baby to
mourn, and often they wish for further
testing to be done.
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Re: Abortion, Pregnancy And Parenthood Posted: 09-01-07 07:17am
Gu£st
wrote:
Controlling our bodies
There is another way of pre-empting the
question of the status of the fetus, which
is to say that a woman has an absolute
right to control her own body. The fetus
is located within, and dependent on, the
body of the pregnant woman. Even assuming
that the fetus is a ‘person’ or human
being, with all the rights that this
involves, surely no other person has the
right to make use of my body?
This may seem initially plausible: your
body may seem like ‘property’ over
which you have total control. When we look
more closely, however, we see that any
form of support for another person will
involve your body in some way. This
applies whether you are breastfeeding a
baby, spoon-feeding your disabled brother
or sister, or even writing a cheque for
the hostel down the road.
There is a difference between needing my
body to survive and needing my body to
write a cheque for someone, if you cannot
see that difference then I would seriously
consider getting some help from someone.
Once the child is born anyone can take
care of it, it does not need to be the
biological mother (hence adoption, nannies
etc...) A z/e/f can only survive by living
inside of and off my body, very different
to my arm moving to write a cheque for a
relative.
Gu£st
wrote:
To begin with, the aim of
abortion, whatever the method used, will
often be to destroy the fetus, not simply
to remove it from the woman’s body.
Often the woman and the doctor performing
the abortion do not simply want to stop
the woman being pregnant; they want there
not to be a baby in the world for whom
they are
responsible.
The aim of abortion is to end a pregnancy,
to stop the woman being pregnant, there
isn't some desire to destroy the foetus,
that is what happens as a result of
stopping the woman being pregnant.
Gu£st
wrote:
The woman herself may not be
aware of just what her abortion will
involve: euphemisms such as ‘the
contents of the uterus’ are often used.
However, it is clear that this procedure
is not a mere ‘removal’ of the fetus
from the womb.
It is a legal requirement that the woman
is in full knowledge of what the procedure
involves what the outcome would be should
it not be performed and also any possible
risks. women know if they abort it will
end their pregnancy and inevitable kill
the z/e/f, women aren't stupid as to what
they're doing.
Gu£st
wrote:
We need to ask: does not the
fetus - assuming it has the moral status
of a human being - have a right to have
its body respected, and not deliberately
attacked?
No
Gu£st
wrote:
Undeniably, it does have
this right, if it has full human status.
Just as the woman has a right not to have
her body attacked - for example, poisoned
or pulled apart - the same is true of her
unborn child.
The woman is an independant, sentient
person unlike the z/e/f. It
does not have any rights, it would be
impossible to legislate fairly as the
woman's rights would therefore become
secondary to the z/e/f.
Gu£st
wrote:
To say that a newborn child
is ‘less human’ than we are, just
because it needs the help of others, would
be morally outrageous.
That is why no-one claims it is less human
- there aren't different degrees of how
human you are.
Gu£st
wrote:
Again, some people claim that the fetus is
not a human being until it is visibly and
obviously human.
Who are those people? It's not about what
it 'looks' like.
Gu£st
wrote:
A wanted fetus is a
‘person’, on this view, while an
unwanted fetus is not.
Legally a foetus is not a person
***I got bored here, is there any point to
this?? ***
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***I got bored here, is there any point to
this?? ***
You have the patience of a Saint. There
is so much inaccuracy in the post you were
addressing it is just mind boggling.
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Posted: 09-02-07 17:00pm
futureshock
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***I got bored here, is
there any point to this?? ***
You have the patience of a Saint. There
is so much inaccuracy in the post you were
addressing it is just mind
boggling.
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