Georgia59
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At What Point Can We Enforce Morality?
Posted: 09-06-07 12:15pm
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I feel that this is really at the core of
the aboriton debate. Some people believe
abortion is wrong, some don't. But how do
we decide what we enforce? Some things are
obvious to enforce, like murrder or rape.
But in cases like abortion, it's not
obvious.
So who decides what's right and wrong? And
how is the abortion debate related to
personal feelings of liberty?
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Posted: 09-06-07 12:19pm
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no one decides whats right and whats
wrong
no single human or group of human beings
has the right to do so when it comes to
the human body and individual rights of a
pregnant mother.
its n ones place to say or force someone
into sometthing reguardless of what you
think is wrong or right
IMO
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Georgia59
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Posted: 09-06-07 12:23pm
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But some people equate abortion with
murrder. We obviously enforce laws
regarding murrder... so why not
abortion??
I do agree with you, I'm just trying to
pick your brain... to determine where the
line is. 
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Posted: 09-06-07 12:28pm
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| Georgia59
wrote: | But some people equate
abortion with murrder. We obviously
enforce laws regarding murrder... so why
not abortion??
I do agree with you, I'm just trying to
pick your brain... to determine where the
line is. |
ahh no brain picking lol
well unfortunately you cant say that
abortion is homicide. no one can
everyone cn have their opinions and call
it whatever you want but in the end its
not up to us to decide wwhat its called or
how it should be
you know i just thought...prochoice people
think more "outside of the box" then pro
life people do. when you think about it
and look back at all the psotings made on
here by pro life and prochoice people its
actually interesteing how...the pro life
individuals are set in stone about what
they believe even if what they believe
controdicts some of what they say or feel
on other things in life.
while pro choice people are more..."open"
and believe that everyone is entitles to
feel and say what they want and think.
that its not either right or wrong...but
its all up to the person whos actually
going through it. whereas the pro life
individuals would automatically take the
right to choose away from everyone because
of what THEY feel is right.
am i makeing any sense here? lol
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Georgia59
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Posted: 09-06-07 12:59pm
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No you're totally right. I think it's just
the point of pro-choice- regardless of my
personal feeling about abortion, I
recognize that everyone has the right to
feel about it how they choose and make
decisions that are best for them,
emotionally, physically, financially,
etc.
That's partly why I asked in the first
place. But how do we decide which issues
we can enforce for everyone (like murrder)
and which are up to the individual?
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Posted: 09-06-07 14:12pm
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I think that it's none of the govt's
business, unless the action causes harm to
another person. In the case of abortion,
the unborn are not persons and nobody has
been able to prove that aborting a non
sentient embryo or fetus is harmful to it.
Therefore, in the case of abortion, the
solution is to let each woman decide for
herself and her pregnancy.
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Posted: 09-06-07 14:21pm
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| Georgia59
wrote: | But some people equate
abortion with murrder. We obviously
enforce laws regarding murrder... so why
not abortion??
I do agree with you, I'm just trying to
pick your brain... to determine where the
line is. |
Frankly you can't.
Women have been having abortions; legal or
not; for thousands of years. You cannot
stop it. "enforcement" is a fancy word for
control; again it cannot be done. YOu'd
have to destroy every plant that can be
used as an abortive and its quite a list!!
Imprison thousands of doctors (so easy to
replace with their educational
requirements) and millions of women..
enforcement cannot be done.
Sure you may scare off a few but women
will still find a method. I'd prefer it
was a safe method conducted by a
licencesed phyisician myself rather then a
coat hanger; potion; pill overdose or
danger chemical ingested.
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Posted: 09-06-07 14:38pm
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| Georgia59
wrote: | No you're totally right. I
think it's just the point of pro-choice-
regardless of my personal feeling about
abortion, I recognize that everyone has
the right to feel about it how they choose
and make decisions that are best for them,
emotionally, physically, financially,
etc.
That's partly why I asked in the first
place. But how do we decide which issues
we can enforce for everyone (like murrder)
and which are up to the
individual? |
well homicide definately shouldnt and
couldnt be up to the individual! how would
taht work? lol
everyone would be going around killing
people
homicide and abortion are two different
things, no matter who thinks what and how
its percieved
sure por life people call it homicide
because its an easy excuse to say "well
thats not right. your a murderer"
when ifact how are you murdering when a
fetus is not a BREATHING person...
im not saying abortion is right
im not saying its wrong
what i saying is that people should have
their own choice to do what they want with
THEIR BODIES...
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Posted: 09-06-07 16:10pm
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Isn't this what it's all about though? Pro
choice people think we can't enforce
morality, and pro life people think we
can.
I wish some pro life people would respond.
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Posted: 09-06-07 16:58pm
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| Georgia59
wrote: | Isn't this what it's all
about though? Pro choice people think we
can't enforce morality, and pro life
people think we can.
I wish some pro life people would
respond. |
i know im waiting for it too lol
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Posted: 09-06-07 20:01pm
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| Georgia59
wrote: | Isn't this what it's all
about though? Pro choice people think we
can't enforce morality, and pro life
people think we can.
I wish some pro life people would
respond. |
What is right and what is wrong has been
defined ever since the word morality came
to exist.
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Posted: 09-06-07 20:02pm
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| nightangel73
wrote: | | Georgia59
wrote: | Isn't this what it's all
about though? Pro choice people think we
can't enforce morality, and pro life
people think we can.
I wish some pro life people would
respond. |
What is right and what is wrong has been
defined ever since the word morality came
to exist. |
so whats right? and whats wrong? and what
does morality mean toYOU?
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Posted: 09-06-07 20:09pm
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Whats right and wrong really does not NEED
morality.
We can look to what is best for the
'common good', and NOT look at morality,
and still have law and order that we have
today.
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Posted: 09-06-07 20:11pm
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Then we have to ask what the original
poster refer to what's or wrong.. means in
what kind of topic?
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Posted: 09-06-07 20:25pm
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| Carifairy
wrote: | Whats right and wrong really
does not NEED morality.
We can look to what is best for the
'common good', and NOT look at morality,
and still have law and order that we have
today. |
yes but here is how morality is defined
Definitions of morality on the Web:
concern with the distinction between good
and evil or right and wrong; right or good
conduct
ethical motive: motivation based on ideas
of right and wrong
wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn
Morality is a system of principles and
judgments based on cultural, religious,
and philosophical concepts and beliefs, by
which humans determine whether given
actions are right or wrong. These concepts
and beliefs are often generalized and
codified by a culture or group, and thus
serve to regulate the behaviour of its
members. Conformity to such codification
may also be called morality, and the group
may depend on widespread conformity to
such codes for its continued existence.
...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morality
is, among other things, an emergent
property, a high-level summary of complex
low-level facts about how to get what one
wants.
www.tcs.ac/FAQ/FAQShortGlo
ssary.html
goodness according to a recognized code of
conduct, as in: For their leader they
chose a person of the highest morality
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Posted: 09-06-07 22:28pm
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| nightangel73
wrote: | | Georgia59
wrote: | Isn't this what it's all
about though? Pro choice people think we
can't enforce morality, and pro life
people think we can.
I wish some pro life people would
respond. |
What is right and what is wrong has been
defined ever since the word morality came
to exist. |
I absolutely don't believe that. Right and
wrong are purely human constructs.
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Posted: 09-07-07 12:23pm
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| Eiri
wrote: | | nightangel73
wrote: | | Georgia59
wrote: | Isn't this what it's all
about though? Pro choice people think we
can't enforce morality, and pro life
people think we can.
I wish some pro life people would
respond. |
What is right and what is wrong has been
defined ever since the word morality came
to exist. |
I absolutely don't believe that. Right and
wrong are purely human
constructs. |
This is true. Everything is a human
construct. The way one views a fertilized
egg is a construct. A person can choose
to view it as a baby or as a microscopic
ball of chromosomes.
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Posted: 09-07-07 15:59pm
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Unless you use a microscope, and then you
see that it actually is one very large
cell with half the chromosones of a normal
human, until fertilized. Then, it's still
visually a dividing clump of cells. Either
way.
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Posted: 09-07-07 16:37pm
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| futureshock
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This is true. Everything is a human
construct. The way one views a fertilized
egg is a construct. A person can choose
to view it as a baby or as a microscopic
ball of
chromosomes. |
That was a good way to put it.
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Posted: 09-07-07 16:51pm
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| nightangel73
wrote: | | Georgia59
wrote: | Isn't this what it's all
about though? Pro choice people think we
can't enforce morality, and pro life
people think we can.
I wish some pro life people would
respond. |
What is right and what is wrong has been
defined ever since the word morality came
to exist. |
I think there is some truth in that...in a
very general kind of way, there are
certain contructs of nature that push
certain moralistic kinds of decisions one
way or the other.
Like, generally it is wrong to steal. But
there are outlying circumstances that
could change that view...and those
outlying circumstances may be in place
because the laws of nature have been
violated in the first place.
I wonder if I'll get shot to piss for
this, but abortion violates the same kind
of spiritual law of nature that says, in
general that it's wrong to steal. It's the
outlying circumstances, such as poverty,
that changes that law.
Of course, nature didn't count on people
not wanting children, which is in whole a
completely different construct.
Does anyone understand what I mean?
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