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Forced Ultrasounds Posted: 09-17-07 13:05pm
I just think this idea is silly. It seems
as though pro-lifers don't think a woman
who wants to abort knows what she's
doing.
The woman obviously knows where babies
come from, and she knows there is one
inside her, and she knows she is going to
stop it from forming. Why should you go
through the time and expense to get her to
look at it first?? It's like rubbing a
dog's nose in it's pee.
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Carifairy
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Posted: 09-17-07 14:57pm
When a woman gets an abortion SHE ALWAYS
GETS AN ULTRASOUND ANYWAY!
They have to do this in order to
accurately and precisely date the
pregnancy.
The woman can look if she wants, noone is
going to say no.
I saw all 3 of my ultrasounds before I had
my abortions, all I did was ask.
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Verizon-y
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Posted: 09-17-07 16:02pm
Is that a relatively new phenomenon? That
didn't happen to me.
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Posted: 09-17-07 16:09pm
futureshock
wrote:
Is that a relatively new
phenomenon? That didn't happen to
me.
I don't think it is 'new'. I think it
depends on the clinic used.
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Georgia59
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Posted: 09-17-07 18:16pm
Carifairy
wrote:
When a woman gets an
abortion SHE ALWAYS GETS AN ULTRASOUND
ANYWAY!
They have to do this in order to
accurately and precisely date the
pregnancy.
The woman can look if she wants, noone is
going to say no.
I saw all 3 of my ultrasounds before I had
my abortions, all I did was
ask.
Really? Why the big deal then about making
them watch it??
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young Girl
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Posted: 09-17-07 18:22pm
Carifairy
wrote:
When a woman gets an
abortion SHE ALWAYS GETS AN ULTRASOUND
ANYWAY!
They have to do this in order to
accurately and precisely date the
pregnancy.
The woman can look if she wants, noone is
going to say no.
I saw all 3 of my ultrasounds before I had
my abortions, all I did was
ask.
you work in an abortion clinic right? then
you should know that not all women have to
get a u/s before they have an abortion
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msrosie
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Posted: 09-17-07 18:26pm
I didn't have an u/s before my abortion.
To my knowledge, it is not common
procedure to have one up here but maybe
that's because of our public system.
Personally, I think it's unnecessary
unless there's an uncertainty over
gestational age. As for women looking at
them, if the woman wants to, she should be
able to but she should not be forced to.
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Re: Forced Ultrasounds Posted: 09-17-07 21:04pm
Georgia59
wrote:
I just think this idea is
silly. It seems as though pro-lifers don't
think a woman who wants to abort knows
what she's doing.
The woman obviously knows where babies
come from, and she knows there is one
inside her, and she knows she is going to
stop it from forming. Why should you go
through the time and expense to get her to
look at it first?? It's like rubbing a
dog's nose in it's
pee.
You HAVE to get an ultrasound. Call it
forced if you like, but the doctor has to
know how big the embryo/fetus is!!
However, a woman does NOT have to LOOK at
the ultrasound.
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Posted: 09-17-07 21:05pm
the_girlfreind
wrote:
Carifairy
wrote:
When a woman gets an
abortion SHE ALWAYS GETS AN ULTRASOUND
ANYWAY!
They have to do this in order to
accurately and precisely date the
pregnancy.
The woman can look if she wants, noone is
going to say no.
I saw all 3 of my ultrasounds before I had
my abortions, all I did was
ask.
you work in an abortion clinic right? then
you should know that not all women have to
get a u/s before they have an
abortion
I personally think - and I think Carifairy
would agree - that an ultrasound should be
mandatory to determine the size of the
embryo/fetus. You don't need to look at
it, but I wouldn't want a doctor digging
around down there without knowing how big
the thing was that he was removing!
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Tylanas
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Posted: 09-17-07 21:06pm
Georgia59
wrote:
Carifairy
wrote:
When a woman gets an
abortion SHE ALWAYS GETS AN ULTRASOUND
ANYWAY!
They have to do this in order to
accurately and precisely date the
pregnancy.
The woman can look if she wants, noone is
going to say no.
I saw all 3 of my ultrasounds before I had
my abortions, all I did was
ask.
Really? Why the big deal then about making
them watch it??
Because it should be a CHOICE, not FORCED.
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Posted: 09-17-07 21:12pm
msrosie
wrote:
I didn't have an u/s before
my abortion. To my knowledge, it is not
common procedure to have one up here but
maybe that's because of our public system.
Personally, I think it's unnecessary
unless there's an uncertainty over
gestational age. As for women looking at
them, if the woman wants to, she should be
able to but she should not be forced
to.
Exactly.
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Re: Forced Ultrasounds Posted: 09-17-07 21:13pm
Eiri
wrote:
Georgia59
wrote:
I just think this idea is
silly. It seems as though pro-lifers don't
think a woman who wants to abort knows
what she's doing.
The woman obviously knows where babies
come from, and she knows there is one
inside her, and she knows she is going to
stop it from forming. Why should you go
through the time and expense to get her to
look at it first?? It's like rubbing a
dog's nose in it's
pee.
You HAVE to get an ultrasound. Call it
forced if you like, but the doctor has to
know how big the embryo/fetus is!!
However, a woman does NOT have to LOOK at
the ultrasound.
No you don't, as several people have just
attested.
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young Girl
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Posted: 09-17-07 21:13pm
Eiri
wrote:
the_girlfreind
wrote:
Carifairy
wrote:
When a woman gets an
abortion SHE ALWAYS GETS AN ULTRASOUND
ANYWAY!
They have to do this in order to
accurately and precisely date the
pregnancy.
The woman can look if she wants, noone is
going to say no.
I saw all 3 of my ultrasounds before I had
my abortions, all I did was
ask.
you work in an abortion clinic right? then
you should know that not all women have to
get a u/s before they have an
abortion
I personally think - and I think Carifairy
would agree - that an ultrasound should be
mandatory to determine the size of the
embryo/fetus. You don't need to look at
it, but I wouldn't want a doctor digging
around down there without knowing how big
the thing was that he was
removing!
yeah lol but she said that a u/s HAS to be
preformed and alot of times its not
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Verizon-y
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Posted: 09-17-07 21:16pm
Eiri
wrote:
the_girlfreind
wrote:
Carifairy
wrote:
When a woman gets an
abortion SHE ALWAYS GETS AN ULTRASOUND
ANYWAY!
They have to do this in order to
accurately and precisely date the
pregnancy.
The woman can look if she wants, noone is
going to say no.
I saw all 3 of my ultrasounds before I had
my abortions, all I did was
ask.
you work in an abortion clinic right? then
you should know that not all women have to
get a u/s before they have an
abortion
I personally think - and I think Carifairy
would agree - that an ultrasound should be
mandatory to determine the size of the
embryo/fetus. You don't need to look at
it, but I wouldn't want a doctor digging
around down there without knowing how big
the thing was that he was
removing!
The size is determined when the doctor
asks "When was your last period?"
This is exactly the same question your
obgyn asks when you are pregnant and
keeping the baby, and you are having your
first prenatal visit. Everything is
calculated from your answer, from your due
date to how far along you are at that
moment.
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Cambion
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Posted: 09-17-07 21:44pm
Quote:
The size is
determined when the doctor asks "When was
your last period?"
This is exactly the same question your
obgyn asks when you are pregnant and
keeping the baby, and you are having your
first prenatal visit. Everything is
calculated from your answer, from your due
date to how far along you are at that
moment.
Sorry, but I've never heard of a doctor
going by the patient's word alone - from
what I know, ultrasounds are always
performed. Doctors don't just ram a vacuum
into the patient and hope for the best -
as many others have said, an u/s needs to
be done so the doctor knows what he's
dealing with. Also, is u/s not also used
so the doctor can make sure he's gotten
all the fetal tissue out? Someone correct
me if I'm wrong, but if fetal tissue is
left behind, it can cause a fatal
infection.
Also, some women may have what they think
are periods during early pregnancy (hell,
some women bleed for their entire
pregnancy), and abortions based solely on
what the patient says could end up being
useless at the least and dangerous at the
worst. A woman who thinks she's one month
gone might be three and a half months
gone, for all she knows. She doesn't need
to see the ultrasound, but as a lot of
other people have already said, the doctor
performing the surgery needs to know what
the hell he's doing. That would be like
removing a brain tumor without having an
MRI done first - would you trust a doctor
to root around in your head with a drill
and a knife if he didn't know where to
look for the offending growth??
I know abortions aren't quite as delicate
as brain surgeries, but I think most will
understand what I'm getting at.
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young Girl
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Posted: 09-17-07 21:45pm
Cambion
wrote:
Quote:
The size is
determined when the doctor asks "When was
your last period?"
This is exactly the same question your
obgyn asks when you are pregnant and
keeping the baby, and you are having your
first prenatal visit. Everything is
calculated from your answer, from your due
date to how far along you are at that
moment.
Sorry, but I've never heard of a doctor
going by the patient's word alone - from
what I know, ultrasounds are always
performed. Doctors don't just ram a vacuum
into the patient and hope for the best -
as many others have said, an u/s needs to
be done so the doctor knows what he's
dealing with. Also, is u/s not also used
so the doctor can make sure he's gotten
all the fetal tissue out? Someone correct
me if I'm wrong, but if fetal tissue is
left behind, it can cause a fatal
infection.
Also, some women may have what they think
are periods during early pregnancy (hell,
some women bleed for their entire
pregnancy), and abortions based solely on
what the patient says could end up being
useless at the least and dangerous at the
worst. A woman who thinks she's one month
gone might be three and a half months
gone, for all she knows. She doesn't need
to see the ultrasound, but as a lot of
other people have already said, the doctor
performing the surgery needs to know what
the hell he's doing. That would be like
removing a brain tumor without having an
MRI done first - would you trust a doctor
to root around in your head with a drill
and a knife if he didn't know where to
look for the offending growth??
I know abortions aren't quite as delicate
as brain surgeries, but I think most will
understand what I'm getting
at.
yes but as said by other posters on here
they do NOT always give a u/s
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Re: Forced Ultrasounds Posted: 09-18-07 09:27am
futureshock
wrote:
Eiri
wrote:
Georgia59
wrote:
I just think this idea is
silly. It seems as though pro-lifers don't
think a woman who wants to abort knows
what she's doing.
The woman obviously knows where babies
come from, and she knows there is one
inside her, and she knows she is going to
stop it from forming. Why should you go
through the time and expense to get her to
look at it first?? It's like rubbing a
dog's nose in it's
pee.
You HAVE to get an ultrasound. Call it
forced if you like, but the doctor has to
know how big the embryo/fetus is!!
However, a woman does NOT have to LOOK at
the ultrasound.
No you don't, as several people have just
attested.
I hadn't read the other posts yet when I
made mine, as I assumed it was a simple
common safety procedure to see exactly how
big the embryo/fetus was before removing
it.
Personally if I was getting an abortion
I'd demand an ultrasound for just those
reasons: safety. I have no desire to look
at it, but I sure as hell want my doctor
to know how big it is.
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Tylanas
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Posted: 09-18-07 09:29am
futureshock
wrote:
Eiri
wrote:
the_girlfreind
wrote:
Carifairy
wrote:
When a woman gets an
abortion SHE ALWAYS GETS AN ULTRASOUND
ANYWAY!
They have to do this in order to
accurately and precisely date the
pregnancy.
The woman can look if she wants, noone is
going to say no.
I saw all 3 of my ultrasounds before I had
my abortions, all I did was
ask.
you work in an abortion clinic right? then
you should know that not all women have to
get a u/s before they have an
abortion
I personally think - and I think Carifairy
would agree - that an ultrasound should be
mandatory to determine the size of the
embryo/fetus. You don't need to look at
it, but I wouldn't want a doctor digging
around down there without knowing how big
the thing was that he was
removing!
The size is determined when the doctor
asks "When was your last
period?"
I have no idea when my last periods are
usually. Yeah, I could count backwards in
my pill packs, but I'm going to be on depo
soon. As of right this moment, if I was
raped and then chose abortion because the
MAP failed, I would not know
when my last period was.
Quote:
This is exactly
the same question your obgyn asks when you
are pregnant and keeping the baby, and you
are having your first prenatal visit.
Everything is calculated from your answer,
from your due date to how far along you
are at that moment.
Boy, no wonder due dates are so
inaccurate.
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Tylanas
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Posted: 09-18-07 09:30am
the_girlfreind
wrote:
Eiri
wrote:
the_girlfreind
wrote:
Carifairy
wrote:
When a woman gets an
abortion SHE ALWAYS GETS AN ULTRASOUND
ANYWAY!
They have to do this in order to
accurately and precisely date the
pregnancy.
The woman can look if she wants, noone is
going to say no.
I saw all 3 of my ultrasounds before I had
my abortions, all I did was
ask.
you work in an abortion clinic right? then
you should know that not all women have to
get a u/s before they have an
abortion
I personally think - and I think Carifairy
would agree - that an ultrasound should be
mandatory to determine the size of the
embryo/fetus. You don't need to look at
it, but I wouldn't want a doctor digging
around down there without knowing how big
the thing was that he was
removing!
yeah lol but she said that a u/s HAS to be
preformed and alot of times its
not
Considering she works in a clinic... I'm a
tad bit more likely to believe her for
American procedure.
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Georgia59
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Posted: 09-18-07 12:10pm
Well, I'm not really asking about the need
to perform one for the doctor's sake. I
didn't know they did that, actually. But I
mean when pro-life groups are rallying
around the idea of making women look at an
ultrasound, get special 'counseling', and
wait 24 hours to think about it before
they are allowed to abort.
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