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Cambion
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Another What-if: What If Abortions Could Be Forced?
Posted: 09-23-07 11:03am
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I made this comment in the 'How can women
be anti-choice?' topic, and I realized it
may make an interesting debate topic.
Pro-lifers are always whining about how
abortion needs to be made illegal because
it's wrong, it's an act of playing God, it
kills a 'human person', and so forth. What
if the tables were to get turned, and what
if forced abortions became legal?
Imagine
this scenario:
A few years down the road, the world has
become even more incredibly overpopulated,
to the point where there are not enough
resources to sustain the life that exists.
The price of things like fuel, meat,
vegetables, and water go way up, to the
point where only high-income individuals
(or those who can milk the system for good
welfare benefits) can afford these -
everyone else has to make due with things
that are entirely man-made.
The government realizes this is a huge
problem and puts a law into place that
makes IVF illegal and requires people to
terminate all pregnancies, and this law
would be in place for about three years to
reduce the population. Think China's
one-child policy, only one child less than
what they allow; women would undergo
mandatory pelvic exams four times a year
to ensure they are not pregnant, and if
they are pregnant, they are forced
(perhaps against their will) to abort,
regardless of how far along they are.
Also, prices on things like IUDs and
sterilization go down dramatically and
birth control becomes free...to encourage
people to not get pregnant.
I know something like this would never
happen, but imagine, if you can, if it
did. Pro-lifers, you go on and on about
how women should have no choice when they
are pregnant and should give birth no
matter what, because it's the new life
that matters and not the existing one. You
want our choice taken away....well, what
if yours got taken away? What if you
wanted a child so bad, but you were
forced to abort every time you got
pregnant?
I'd bet you wouldn't like having legally
no
say over what happens to your body.
What makes you think other women want the
government to dictate what they can and
cannot do with their own bodies and their
own lives?
And it could be said that forced abortions
for the sake of population control was in
the best interests of the people - there
would possibly be more resources to go
around and having more available to us
would not only be good for the population
in general, but it would also be in the
best interests of future generations.
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Verizon-y
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Posted: 09-23-07 13:24pm
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Excellent hypothetical. Here's another
one.
SOme pl'ers want the father/husband to
have a say over whether or not a woman can
have an abortion. What if he were given
the legal right to force his gf/wife to
abort?
What if he decided he didn't want a
kid/thought the family couldn't afford
it/etc.? So he then has the cops haul
his pregnant wife or gf away to the
abortion clinic, has her restrained, and
the abortion is performed?
It's not any different from the opposite,
having his wife/gf hauled away and
physically restrained so that she WON'T
abort.
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young Girl
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Posted: 09-23-07 13:27pm
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nice topic
the only thing i find funny is how you
used chinas one child law...and look at
how much more over populated china is than
the US and other countries
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Posted: 09-23-07 13:57pm
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| the_girlfreind
wrote: | nice topic
the only thing i find funny is how you
used chinas one child law...and look at
how much more over populated china is than
the US and other countries  |
I don't get it.
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Cambion
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Posted: 09-23-07 15:32pm
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| Quote: |
tr>
the only thing i find funny is how you
used chinas one child law...and look at
how much more over populated china is than
the US and other countries
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China wasn't always so overpopulated, you
know. China realized they had a big
problem with the booming population, whcih
is why they made the one-child policy.
America is far too child-centric to take
any measures to limit population growth,
though, because so many people firmly
believe there is no population problem.
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young Girl
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Posted: 09-23-07 15:40pm
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| Cambion
wrote: | | Quote: |
tr>
the only thing i find funny is how you
used chinas one child law...and look at
how much more over populated china is than
the US and other countries
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China wasn't always so overpopulated, you
know. China realized they had a big
problem with the booming population, whcih
is why they made the one-child policy.
America is far too child-centric to take
any measures to limit population growth,
though, because so many people firmly
believe there is no population
problem. |
theres a population problem everywhere
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Posted: 09-23-07 17:21pm
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| futureshock
wrote: | | Not like in
China. |
not like in china
but its still there
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Posted: 09-23-07 18:31pm
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killing human beings is not the answer to
over population
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young Girl
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Posted: 09-23-07 18:48pm
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| Gu£st
wrote: | | killing human beings is not
the answer to over
population |
youre right its not the answer
however terminateing pregnancies would not
be killing a human being
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Gu£st
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Posted: 09-23-07 19:01pm
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killing human beings is not the answer to
over population.
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Posted: 09-23-07 19:09pm
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| futureshock
wrote: | Excellent hypothetical.
Here's another one.
SOme pl'ers want the father/husband to
have a say over whether or not a woman can
have an abortion. What if he were given
the legal right to force his gf/wife to
abort? |
That would be absolutely hideous O.o
Horrible! I'd fight that law with my
life.
| Quote: |
tr> What if he
decided he didn't want a kid/thought the
family couldn't afford it/etc.? So he
then has the cops haul his pregnant wife
or gf away to the abortion clinic, has her
restrained, and the abortion is
performed?
It's not any different from the opposite,
having his wife/gf hauled away and
physically restrained so that she WON'T
abort. |
Exactly!! It's JUST as horrible, it is an
equal violation of the woman's rights and
the sanctity of her body.
*shudders at the thought of either
situation*
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Posted: 09-23-07 19:12pm
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| the_girlfreind
wrote: | nice topic
the only thing i find funny is how you
used chinas one child law...and look at
how much more over populated china is than
the US and other countries  |
As unfair as the law is and despite the
moral issues it causes in reference to
forced abortion - which happens regularly
- the law HAS managed to slow China's
population growth. I'm not saying it's
good or bad, I'm just stating the fact.
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Posted: 09-23-07 19:53pm
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Actually, I read somewhere that if both
parents are single offspring (neither have
brothers or sisters), they are now allowed
to have TWO children. Just thought I'd
mention that.
Does anyone know what happens in China if
you're pregnant with twins or triplets?
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Cambion
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Posted: 09-23-07 23:14pm
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| Quote: |
tr> | Does anyone know
what happens in China if you're pregnant
with twins or triplets?
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Yes - multiples is one of the exceptions
to the one-child policy. If the woman
conceives twins or more, she can have them
all with no repercussions. People can also
have two children if the first-born is
female (we all know how wanted Chinese
baby girls are), or if the child passes
away. But I'm pretty sure any fetuses that
manage to escape being aborted that would
normally have been cost the parents some
hefty fines.
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Posted: 09-23-07 23:16pm
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| Cambion
wrote: | | Quote: |
tr> | Does anyone know
what happens in China if you're pregnant
with twins or triplets?
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Yes - multiples is one of the exceptions
to the one-child policy. If the woman
conceives twins or more, she can have them
all with no repercussions. People can also
have two children if the first-born is
female (we all know how wanted Chinese
baby girls are), or if the child passes
away. But I'm pretty sure any fetuses that
manage to escape being aborted that would
normally have been cost the parents some
hefty fines. |
yeah there is some kind of fine if yu have
over the limit allowed
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Posted: 09-23-07 23:22pm
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| the_girlfreind
wrote: | | Gu£st
wrote: | | killing human beings is not
the answer to over
population |
youre right its not the answer
however terminateing pregnancies would not
be killing a human being  |
Exactly.
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