the Pro-life/conservative Mind Posted: 09-25-07 21:24pm
I wrote a thread on another site about the
differences in the way pl and pc people
think that some of you may find
interesting. Here is the first post which
includes a link to the entire text:
Anti-gay
Anti-abortion
Anti-gays in the military
Anti-gay marriage
Anti-gun control
Pro-death penalty
Pro-war
etc., etc.
They are the beliefs that many right wing
religious conservatives hold.
A very in depth study was done on the
mentality of the conservative person.
I can't believe I have to even say this,
but, for those of you who don't get it:
THIS DOES NOT MEAN EVERY SINGLE PERSON WHO
IS A CONSERVATIVE FALLS INTO THIS CATEGORY
OR BELIEVES THIS WAY.
Ok?
The study found some common themes in the
conservative personality:
Past research and theory on conservatism
in sociology, economics,
and political science has often assumed
that people adopt
conservative ideologies out of
self-interest (see Sears &
Funk,
1991). This account fits well with data
indicating increased conservatism
among upper-class elites (e.g., Centers,
1949; Sidanius
& Ekehammar, 1979). Although we grant
that self-interest is one
among many motives that are capable of
influencing political
attitudes and behavior, our review
requires a reexamination of this
issue. Specifically, many of the theories
we integrate suggest that
motives to
overcome fear, threat, and uncertainty may
be associated
with increased conservatism, and some of
these motives
should be more pronounced among members of
disadvantaged and
low-status groups. As a result, the
disadvantaged might embrace
right-wing ideologies under some
circumstances to reduce fear,
anxiety, dissonance, uncertainty, or
instability (e.g., Jost, Pelham,
Sheldon, & Sullivan, 2003; Lane, 1962;
Nias, 1973), whereas the
advantaged might gravitate toward
conservatism for reasons of
self-interest or social dominance
[T]wo core
dimensions of political
conservatism—resistance to change and
acceptance of inequality—are
often related to one another, they are
obviously distinguishable. Vivid
counterexamples come to mind in which the
two dimensions are negatively related to
one another. For instance, there is the
“conservative paradox” of right-wing
revolutionaries,
such as Hitler or Mussolini or Pinochet,
who seem to advocate social change in the
direction of decreased egalitarianism. In
at
least some of these cases, what appears to
be a desire for change
is really “an imaginatively transfigured
conception of the past with
which to criticize the present”
Scores on the RWA Scale have been found to
predict a broad
range of attitudes and behaviors related
to social, economic, and
political conservatism as defined in the
general culture at the time.
For
instance, the scale has correlated
reliably with political party
affiliation; reactions to Watergate;
pro-capitalist attitudes; severity
of jury sentencing decisions; punishment
of deviants; racial prejudice;
homophobia; religious orthodoxy; victim
blaming; and acceptance
of covert governmental activities such as
illegal bugging,
political harassment, denial of the right
to assemble, and illegal
drug raids (Altemeyer, 1981, 1988,
1996, 1998). Peterson et al.
(1993) reported correlational evidence
linking authoritarianism to
a wide variety of conservative attitudes,
including opposition to
environmentalism, abortion rights,
diversity on university campuses,
and services for AIDS patients and
homeless people. Ray
(1973), in questioning the discriminant
validity of RWA, reported
a correlation of .81 between the RWA Scale
and his own conservatism
scale. Altemeyer (1996, 1998) summarized
the results of
several studies of the attitudes of
Canadian and U.S. legislators in
which he found strong differences in RWA
between conservative
politicians and others and concluded that
High RWA
lawmakers also score higher in prejudice,
and wish they
could pass laws limiting the freedom of
speech, freedom of the press,
the right of assembly, and other freedoms
guaranteed in the Bill of
Rights. They want to impose strict
limitations on abortion, they favor
capital punishment, and they oppose
tougher gun control laws. Finally,
politicians answer the RWA Scale with such
extraordinary
levels of internal consistency, it appears
the scale provides our most
powerful measure of the
liberal-conservative dimension in
politics.
(Altemeyer, 1998, p. 53)
CONSERVATISM AS MOTIVATED SOCIAL COGNITION
345
Scores on the scale have been found also
to
correlate reliably with identification
with the Republican party,
nationalism, cultural elitism, anti-Black
racism, sexism, RWA, and
the belief in a just world (Altemeyer,
1998; Pratto et al., 1994).
The scale predicts policy attitudes that
are supportive of “law and
order,” military spending, and capital
punishment, as well as
attitudes that are unsupportive of
women’s rights, racial equality,
affirmative action, gay and lesbian
rights, and environmental action
(see Jost & Thompson, 2000; Pratto et
al., 1994). It is of
theoretical interest that, in addition to
the notion of legitimizing the
status quo, social dominance theory also
implies the notion that
increasing the degree of hierarchy or
group dominance is a motivationally
appealing ideological goal at least under
some circumstances,
such as when one belongs to a high-status
group (Altemeyer,
1998; Pratto, 1999; Sidanius & Pratto,
1999).
In a very useful discussion, Altemeyer
(1998) distinguished
between the motivational bases of RWA and
SDO. He argued that
RWA best accounts for passive deference or
submission to authoritarian
or fascist leaders—including the
tendency to “trust unworthy
people who tell them what they want to
hear” (Altemeyer,
1998, p. 87), whereas SDO best accounts
for more active attempts
to punish or humiliate derogated out-group
members, that is, the
desire to “become the alpha animal”
(Altemeyer, 1998, p. 87).
Altemeyer (1998) compared the two
motivational types as follows:
Right-wing authoritarians, who do not
score high on [personal power,
meanness, and dominance], seem to be
highly prejudiced mainly
because they were raised to travel in
tight, ethnocentric circles; and
they fear that authority and conventions
are crumbling so quickly that
civilization will collapse and they will
be eaten in the resulting jungle.
In contrast, High SDO’s already see life
as “dog eat dog” and—
compared with most people—are determined
to do the eating. (p. 75)
there is a clear indication in Tetlock’s
data that conservative
ideologues are generally less
integratively complex than
their liberal or moderate counterparts
(see Table 3). For example,
a study of U.S. senatorial speeches in
1975 and 1976 indicates that
politicians whose voting records were
classified as either liberal or
moderate showed significantly more
integrative complexity than
did politicians with conservative voting
records, even after controlling
for political party affiliation (Tetlock,
1983). These results
were replicated almost exactly in a study
of U.S. Supreme Court
justices by Tetlock et al. (1985). In
neither of these studies were
liberals found to be significantly less
(or more) complex in their thinking than
were moderates.
Additional evidence does suggest that an
overall main effect
relationship holds between cognitive
complexity and political conservatism.
Tetlock’s (1984) study of members of the
British House
of Commons revealed a moderate negative
correlation between
integrative complexity and ideological
conservatism (r –.30, p
.01). He found that the most
integratively complex politicians
were moderate socialists, who scored
significantly higher on complexity
than extreme socialists, moderate
conservatives, and extreme
conservatives. Tetlock, Hannum, and
Micheletti (1984)
Dogmatism NOUN: Arrogant, stubborn
assertion of opinion or belief.
Inflexibility
Intolerance of ambiguity
Integrative complexity
Cognitive flexibility
Cognitive complexity
They found that liberals and
moderates scored significantly higher than
conservatives on integrative
complexity
The crux of Wilson’s (1973b) theory is
that ambiguity and
uncertainty are highly threatening to
conservatives. Wilson, Ausman,
and Mathews (1973) examined the artistic
preferences of
people who scored high and low on the
C-Scale by soliciting
evaluative ratings of paintings that had
been classified as either
simple or complex and either abstract or
representational. They
found that conservatives exhibited a
relatively strong preference
for simple rather than complex paintings
and a much weaker
preference for representational rather
than abstract paintings (see
Table 5). Similarly, it has been shown
that conservatives were
more likely to prefer simple poems over
complex poems (Gillies &
Campbell, 1985) and unambiguous over
ambiguous literary texts
(McAllister & Anderson, 1991). Similar
results have been obtained
when preferences for familiar versus
unfamiliar stimuli
were compared. For instance, Glasgow and
Cartier (1985) demonstrated
that conservatives were more likely than
others to favor
familiar over unfamiliar music. Converging
results that political
conservatives are less tolerant of
ambiguity, less open to new
experiences, and more avoidant of
uncertainty compared with
moderates and liberals may provide a
psychological context for
understanding why congressional
Republicans and other prominent
conservatives in the United States have
sought unilaterally to
eliminate public funding for the
contemporary arts (Lehrer,
1997).
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Tylanas
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Posted: 09-25-07 21:29pm
I think it's a well-thought out and
indepth post
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nightangel73
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Posted: 09-25-07 22:30pm
if conservative is defined by what you
first wrote then I'm not conservative
I'm pro-life so I'm agaist war and I'm
agaisnt death penalty
would that make make middle of the road
then?
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Posted: 09-25-07 22:42pm
Of all of the choices, these are the ones
that you agree with from what I know of
you. I Bolded them.
Anti-gay Anti-abortion Anti-gays
in the military Anti-gay
marriage
Anti-gun control [?]
Pro-death penalty
Pro-war
I don't actually know your policy on gun
control. Still, you agree with a majority
of the policies listed. Not just a few,
not just some. MOST. I would not call you
middle of the road. I would call you
conservative.
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nightangel73
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Posted: 09-25-07 23:29pm
Eiri
wrote:
Of all of the choices, these
are the ones that you agree with from what
I know of you. I Bolded them.
Anti-gay Anti-abortion Anti-gays
in the military Anti-gay
marriage
Anti-gun control [?]
Pro-death penalty
Pro-war
I don't actually know your policy on gun
control. Still, you agree with a majority
of the policies listed. Not just a few,
not just some. MOST. I would not call you
middle of the road. I would call you
conservative.
only anti-abortion and anti gay-marriage
That's not majority. So I'm not that
conservative then just a little ..
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Posted: 09-26-07 00:01am
Why aren't you pro-death penalty? There
are some criminals for whom I'd like to
personally give their lethal injections.
Anyway, read more about the conservative
mind to better see where you stand.
For example, conservatives think in terms
of nlack and white, and feel uncomfortable
contemplating shades of gray. Like,
things are either right or wrong, and
there is no in between.
Illegal immigration is a good example of
this. A conservative would say that
coming into this country (U.S.A.)
illegally is wrong, and those who do so
should be sent back to Mexico. What part
of illegal alien don't they understand?
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Posted: 09-26-07 00:19am
Here are some excerpts from the original
post's quote from this site:
Quote:
tr>
[T]wo core
dimensions of political
conservatism—resistance to change and
acceptance of inequality
Conservatives have authoritarian*
tendencies:
*authoritarian:
favoring complete obedience or subjection
to authority as opposed to individual
freedom: authoritarian principles;
authoritarian attitudes.
Quote:
tr>
Peterson et al.
(1993) reported correlational evidence
linking authoritarianism to
a wide variety of conservative attitudes,
including opposition to
environmentalism, abortion rights,
diversity on university campuses,
and services for AIDS patients and
homeless people.
RWA=right wing authoritarian
Quote:
tr>
High RWA
lawmakers also score higher in prejudice,
and wish they
could pass laws limiting the freedom of
speech, freedom of the press,
the right of assembly, and other freedoms
guaranteed in the Bill of
Rights. They want to impose strict
limitations on abortion, they favor
capital punishment, and they oppose
tougher gun control laws. Finally,
politicians answer the RWA Scale with such
extraordinary
levels of internal consistency, it appears
the scale provides our most
powerful measure of the
liberal-conservative dimension in
politics.
(Altemeyer, 1998, p. 53)
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Posted: 09-26-07 01:44am
futureshock
wrote:
A conservative would say
that coming into this country (U.S.A.)
illegally is wrong, and those who do so
should be sent back to
Mexico.
Even if they're not Mexican? Wow, that's
harsh!
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Gu£st
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Posted: 09-26-07 02:39am
The Catholic Church is
Not Anti-gay
Is Anti-abortion
Is not bothered about the military
Is Anti-gay marriage
Is pro-gun control
Anti-death penalty
Anti-war
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Posted: 09-26-07 07:02am
Gu£st
wrote:
The Catholic Church is
Not Anti-gay
Is Anti-abortion
Is not bothered about the military
Is Anti-gay marriage
Is pro-gun control
Anti-death penalty
Anti-war
LMAO.. I have spent a long while on
another board discussing the acceptance or
lack of involving homosexual behavior with
the self appointed decider of true
catholisism.. and you have just directly
contradicted him.. so which of you is
right? Does or does not the church support
homosexuality?
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Posted: 09-26-07 07:23am
jincks my catholic parish has actually a
gay ministry directed by gays.
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meblonde01
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Posted: 09-26-07 07:33am
I believe most churches do not support
homosexuality, unless it is a church
formed by gay people.. Making up what they
think fits them.
But most churches don't exclude gay
people. Just because they may not feel it
is right they don't turn their backs on
them and kick them to the curb if they
want to come to church and learn more
about God. If they did, it would not be a
church I would attend. Because sitting
right next to a gay person might be a
sinner of another form..
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Posted: 09-26-07 07:34am
thank you Nightangel.
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Posted: 09-26-07 22:25pm
Gu£st
wrote:
The Catholic Church is
Not Anti-gay
Is Anti-abortion
Is not bothered about the military
Is Anti-gay marriage
Is pro-gun control
Anti-death penalty
Anti-war
Um tell that to all the gay men and women
who have been kicked out of the catholic
church for being homosexuals?
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marytartor
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Posted: 09-26-07 22:31pm
The Pope does support the discharge of
gays from the church? You must go to a
liberal catholic church?
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Tylanas
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Posted: 09-26-07 23:26pm
My close best friend was ex-communicated
for being gay.
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Posted: 09-27-07 11:27am
That is despicable.
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sillyakchick
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Posted: 09-27-07 11:37am
My dh's mother was excommunicated for
getting a divorce from an abusive
alcoholic husband. She married my hubby's
dad, had him, and then got a dvorce again.
In order to be allowed back into the
church, she had to convert her next
husband and denounce her son. THAT"s the
lovinig and accepting nature of the
Catholic Church.
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Posted: 09-27-07 12:41pm
futureshock
wrote:
That is
despicable.
I also know a girl who was excommunicated
because she HAD to take birth control for
medical reasons. But, it didn't matter WHY
she was taking it, she was still kicked
out of the catholic church.
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Posted: 09-27-07 13:01pm
sillyakchick that is terrible!!
To force a woman to denounce her son to
get a entry pass.. and the church calls
wiccans evil..