Why Is Homosexuality the "whipping Boy" Posted: 09-26-07 11:45am
This is a point that has been brought up
in other forums and i thought it would
make a good debate in and of itself.
It seems strange to me that of all the
sinful lifestyles people engage in,
homosexuality is the one which many
religous groups focus on to persecute. I
wonder why this is. I would hope that
someone could intelligently explain to me
why homosexuals are used as the scapegoat
or whipping boy for the ills of society.
Does anyone have any thoughts on this, as
to why this has occurred?
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Marianne0558
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Posted: 09-26-07 11:49am
Personally, I think it's because people
were taught by parents, church, etc that
homosexuality is wrong.
Once someone has been taught, it is very
hard to un-teach.
Kind of like brainwashing.
People are scared of what they don't
understand. Sometimes fear can be
projected as hate.
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Posted: 09-26-07 11:51am
I don't think it is just Homosexuality
that is the focus for religous groups.
Adultrey is one to along with others but
in this forum it seems that homosexuality
it more of a focus that the others. Wonder
why that is?
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Marianne0558
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Posted: 09-26-07 11:55am
meblonde01
wrote:
I don't think it is just
Homosexuality that is the focus for
religous groups. Adultrey is one to along
with others but in this forum it seems
that homossexuality it more of a focus
that the others. Wonder why that
is?
Adultery is a sin in the eyes of the
church. That goes along with sex before
marriage-which based on the statistics,
hardly anyone cares anymore.
What I don't understand is if
homosexuality is such a sin in the eyes
of, let's say the Catholic church, why do
the pastors touch all the little boys????
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Posted: 09-26-07 12:31pm
I get what you are saying. Adultery is
certainly frowned upon, however adulterers
are allowed to re-marry, and homosexuals
are not allwed to marry at all. Nobody
pickets the funerals of adulterers. I
haven't heard of adulteryphobia, either.
I haven't heard of a kid being pistol
whipped and left to dies in the middle of
a field because he was ______________
(enter any other biblical sin). So why
homosexuality?
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Posted: 09-26-07 12:36pm
sillyakchick
wrote:
I get what you are saying.
Adultery is certainly frowned upon,
however adulterers are allowed to
re-marry, and homosexuals are not allwed
to marry at all. Nobody pickets the
funerals of adulterers. I haven't heard
of adulteryphobia, either. I haven't
heard of a kid being pistol whipped and
left to dies in the middle of a field
because he was ______________ (enter any
other biblical sin). So why
homosexuality?
Because those people were taught to hate
homosexuals by someone. Discrimination is
a learned behavior and so is violence.
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Posted: 09-26-07 13:07pm
I agree with you. However, my father was
racist against african americans. I
didn't even know it until i brought home a
black boyfriend. He freaked out and
threatened to diswown me. I was only in
8th grade at the time. I did not adopt
his view, in fact it showed me that his
actions were completely wrong. What makes
some people adopt these views while others
reject them and see them for what they
are? I wonder in the historical context
where homosexuality began to be viewed as
wrong.
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Just a Thought Posted: 09-26-07 13:22pm
sillyakchick
wrote:
I get what you are saying.
Adultery is certainly frowned upon,
however adulterers are allowed to
re-marry, and homosexuals are not allwed
to marry at all. Nobody pickets the
funerals of adulterers. I haven't heard
of adulteryphobia, either. I haven't
heard of a kid being pistol whipped and
left to dies in the middle of a field
because he was ______________ (enter any
other biblical sin). So why
homosexuality?
I believe homosexuality is thought of more
as a man/man issue than a woman/woman one.
Males who are straight are frightened that
they might be gay because of myriad
reasons--attraction to other males or that
they can't attract women or that they like
male porn. In that context, many males are
scared to death of homosexuality because
most have been taught from childhood that
the "right" path is to be attracted to
females.
So, now we have a majority of people
influenced by that fear, so they
discriminate much more towards homosexuals
than adulterers. It is a phobia that is
very difficult to get over unless you
become enlightened to equal rights for
everyone, regardless of sexual
orientation.
What I find strange is that you rarely
hear or see lesbians being treated as
badly as gay men. I think it must have
something to do with the thought of how
exactly men have sex with each other as
opposed to women's sex. To some, anal sex
is a repugnent act, as well as some other
places where a penis can go.
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Posted: 09-26-07 13:48pm
I think lonestarguy nailed it: fear. Fear
is the driving force of all
discrimination.
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Posted: 09-26-07 14:13pm
I think that large religious bodies
systematically discriminate against
homosexuals because they are percieved as
a threat, and I think this goes hand in
hand with fear. We constantly hear about
the 'gay agenda', and how it seeks to
pervert the minds of children by blurring
the lines between sin and goodness. Most
importantly, I think that homosexuality is
focused on so much because its a
lifestyle. It involves the human emotion
of love, and many people feel threatened
when their version of 'intimate love' is
being used inappropriately, as many devout
Christians believe is the case with
homosexuality.
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Posted: 09-26-07 17:05pm
I dont think homosexuals are the "whipping
boys" of the Catholic Church at all I just
think it is an issue that many non
Catholics dont understand. I think many
right wing protestants take the whole
"homosexuality is immoral" to the extreem
often on the verge of victimisation, then
the liberal theologists have a tendency to
use that as a means to discredit
Christianity. I Know that it does not
bother me, I am not a nazi, I would not
criminalize homosexuality, although I
wouldnt make it legal. I believe it is
wrong both for the individual and society,
where I would not prevent a homosexual
living according to his/her sexuality I
would not want my society to go down the
line of "normalizing" it.
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Posted: 09-26-07 18:13pm
Gu£st
wrote:
I dont think homosexuals are
the "whipping boys" of the Catholic Church
at all I just think it is an issue that
many non Catholics dont understand. I
think many right wing protestants take the
whole "homosexuality is immoral" to the
extreem often on the verge of
victimisation, then the liberal
theologists have a tendency to use that as
a means to discredit Christianity. I Know
that it does not bother me, I am not a
nazi, I would not
criminalize homosexuality, although I
wouldnt make it legal. I
believe it is wrong both for the
individual and society, where I would
not prevent a homosexual living according
to his/her sexuality I would not want my
society to go down the line of
"normalizing"
it.
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Wow.
You contradict yourself constantly. It is
ridiculous.
(Actually, the whipping boys of the
Catholic church are the alterboys, aren't
they? )
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Posted: 09-26-07 20:10pm
Birch
wrote:
Gu£st
wrote:
I dont think homosexuals are
the "whipping boys" of the Catholic Church
at all I just think it is an issue that
many non Catholics dont understand. I
think many right wing protestants take the
whole "homosexuality is immoral" to the
extreem often on the verge of
victimisation, then the liberal
theologists have a tendency to use that as
a means to discredit Christianity. I Know
that it does not bother me, I am not a
nazi, I would not
criminalize homosexuality, although I
wouldnt make it legal. I
believe it is wrong both for the
individual and society, where I would
not prevent a homosexual living according
to his/her sexuality I would not want my
society to go down the line of
"normalizing"
it.
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Wow.
You contradict yourself constantly. It is
ridiculous.
(Actually, the whipping boys of the
Catholic church are the alterboys, aren't
they?
)
Not making it legal makes
it,,,what??????????????????? Is there a
semi-legal category?
You wouldn't prevent a homosexual from
living his or her life, but you don't want
to normalize it?
How do you normalize it?
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Posted: 09-26-07 22:48pm
And actually Guest doesn't want the
homosexual to live their own life. S/he
wants homosexuals to burn in hell.
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Gu£st
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"You contradict yourself constantly. It is
ridiculous"
either that or you just dont undertsand
me.
"Not making it legal makes
it,,,what??????????????????? Is there a
semi-legal category? "
of course there is, In Holand it is not
legal to smoke marjuana, it is not Ilegal
neither, it is "decriminalized."
"How do you normalize it?"
By making homosexuality legal, by teaching
it in schools, by promoting it through the
media, by..... changing peoples
perceptions.
"Actually Guest doesn't want the
homosexual to live their own life. S/he
wants homosexuals to burn in hell."
Eiri isnt that a little bit wrong of you
to try say such things, I want every
person to repent of their sins, convert to
Christ and obtain heaven, I certainly do
not want people to burn in hell.
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Posted: 09-27-07 06:54am
Gu£st
wrote:
"You contradict yourself
constantly. It is ridiculous"
either that or you just dont undertsand
me.
"Not making it legal makes
it,,,what??????????????????? Is there a
semi-legal category? "
of course there is, In Holand it is not
legal to smoke marjuana, it is not Ilegal
neither, it is "decriminalized."
"How do you normalize it?"
By making homosexuality legal, by teaching
it in schools, by promoting it through the
media, by..... changing peoples
perceptions.
"Actually Guest doesn't want the
homosexual to live their own life. S/he
wants homosexuals to burn in hell."
Eiri isnt that a little bit wrong of you
to try say such things, I want every
person to repent of their sins, convert to
Christ and obtain heaven, I certainly do
not want people to burn in
hell.
I understand you perfectly. So I guess
it's "either that!" (referring to you
contradicting yourself)! You said it
yourself!
What's it feel like to discriminate
against people?
How good do you feel walking down the
street?
What a horrible existence. I guess on my
day or reckoning (if there is one the way
you see it) I'll have to say, God, I just
couldn't do it; I just couldn't follow
these rules that hurt other people. If
that is the kind of behavior you want of
your minions, then I want no part of You
for eternity, or Your hurtful minions, for
Your rules are harmful and I wish to harm
no one. *shrugs*
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Gu£st
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Posted: 09-27-07 08:12am
Christianity hurts, it has since its very
inception, we have a crucifix as our
symbol for goodness sake, it dosnt hurt
those who refuse to give creedance to
Christianity, but those of us who accept
it, it hurts and we can not pretend to
others that it does not, even if they dont
want it to hurt.... it does.
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Posted: 09-27-07 08:32am
Why does Christianity have to hurt? Didn't
Jesus accept the pain to help relieve our
pain? He accepted his fate to save ours.
I just thought of something too. Isn't
the bible against idolism? Isn't having a
crucifix as a symbol a form of idolism?
I'm asking this seriously. I haven't read
the bible in a while and forgot what the
bible defines as idolism. So I'm curious.
Eric
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Posted: 09-27-07 08:45am
Well I know you weren't really asking me,
but I was always taught that the crucifix
is meant to remind us of Christ's
sacrifice - he died for our sins so that
we might enter heaven. I'm not sure that
having a symbol and worshipping, say, a
golden calf would really be in the same
category.
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Christian Perspective Posted: 09-27-07 08:53am
Hello, i just popped in and seen this on
the message board and i wanted to comment
because i am a christian and i understand
what all of you are
asking/debating/wondering, and i thought
it would be helpful to hear it from a
christians point of view.
Anyways~ the reason it looks like
homosexuality is the "whipping boy"
instead of all other sinful lifestyles is
because homosexuals try to defend their
sin and say that it is right. Let me give
you an example, alcholics know they have a
problem and it is sin, thats why there are
AA groups and rehab facilities, but
homosexuals just believe that their
lifestyle is correct even though the Bible
strictly warns us against it. Christians
would be targeting any "sinner group" if
that sinner group tried to justify their
sin, and say that "God made me this way"
or "I was born this way" when that's not
the will of God.
Although I do see alot of Christian groups
being hateful and cruel. I will say that I
DO NOT condone this behavior nor does that
behavior represent TRUE christianity. God
loves the sinner but hates the sin, and
Christians are supposed to be the same
way.