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Posted: 09-28-07 09:31am

Jesus loves everyone and Catholics dont judge others, we dont condemn anyone to hell, it is not our place. You will find a lot of protestants laying on the fire and brimstone but not the catholics.

God is love, he loves all even the most wretched, I should know!!!
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Posted: 09-28-07 09:39am

Gu£st wrote:
"My mother in law was remarried in a catholic church"

impossible!!!!

was her previous marrige valid?



Begging your pardon, but yes, her first marriage was valid. She was excommunicated for having the audacity to divorce her abusive alcoholic husband. Then she married my husband's father and had him. She begged and begged to be let back into the church. They finally agreed but only if she was able to convert her husband. He was a good lutheran boy and refused. She had a breakdown, left him and then was able to find someone new who was willing to be converted. THus she had a catholic wedding and was allowed back into the church. The stipulation was that she had to denounce my husband's existance-her own son. So yes, I think the catholic shurch is "a wonderful religious institution". NOT!
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Posted: 09-28-07 09:48am

This is lies.... or your bishop and priest in your area is a very very wicked men.
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Posted: 09-28-07 09:56am

Please refrain from calling me a liar. It does not reflect well on you. Furthermore, I am sorry that the truth is difficult for you to take. It is rather inconvenient, isn't it?
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Posted: 09-28-07 11:10am

"She was excommunicated for having the audacity to divorce her abusive alcoholic husband."

but you dont get excommunicated for being divorced.

"They finally agreed but only if she was able to convert her husband"

that dosnt even make sense, why would the conversion of another person effect the faith of someone else?

"THus she had a catholic wedding and was allowed back into the church."

"The stipulation was that she had to denounce my husband's existance-her own son. "

This stuff is not Catholic, You should report this priest to the bishop, if its the bishop report him to the Cardinal, if you get no satisfaction report it to the holy see in rome, if it is true, then who is responsible should be put into cloister. its not inconvient for me, because this is not what the church teaches, its obviously exploitation of posstion, people are people and will expolite their possiton, thats life..... if your mothers first marriage was a Catholic Marriage and valid she should not have been allow to remarry.
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Posted: 09-28-07 11:16am

Just a question but, would the man in this relationship be allowed to remarry?
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Posted: 09-28-07 11:24am

Whether he was allowed or not, he did remarrry, but I think it was a courtroom wedding. This has caused my husband a lot of greif over time. It happened when he was 4, so that would have been 33 years ago. Not really something he would bring up to the church at this point. He's lutheran anyway, and his dad did a wonderful job raising him, so it doesn't really matter anymore. Except that he doesn't exist. He is a little bummed about that.

So anyway, Guest, whether you like it or not the Catholic Church has proved time and time again not to be able to live up to even it's own high ideals. Why would I choose to follow such a corrrupt institution? I like it better where I am- in a land where people are all treated equally, and loved, and people try to understand where you are coming from, even if they don't like what you are saying. And nobody has to believe the same way you do. And nobody gets angry at me because i am a bisexual. And children are not shamed or frightened into behaving well. And I don't care to join you in your version of Heaven, because if the other people there are like you, I would not wish to be with them for all eternity. So if I am not lucky enough to be dissolved into Ahimsa before next time. I will see you areund as an ant or cockroach or something. Because you have a very long way to go my friend to reach enlightenment. I fear your Karma, but know that it is coming.

(That's the best impression of a judgemental buddhist I can make)
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Posted: 09-28-07 11:26am

Gu£st wrote:
"She was excommunicated for having the audacity to divorce her abusive alcoholic husband."

but you dont get excommunicated for being divorced.

"They finally agreed but only if she was able to convert her husband"

that dosnt even make sense, why would the conversion of another person effect the faith of someone else?

"THus she had a catholic wedding and was allowed back into the church."

"The stipulation was that she had to denounce my husband's existance-her own son. "

This stuff is not Catholic, You should report this priest to the bishop, if its the bishop report him to the Cardinal, if you get no satisfaction report it to the holy see in rome, if it is true, then who is responsible should be put into cloister. its not inconvient for me, because this is not what the church teaches, its obviously exploitation of posstion, people are people and will expolite their possiton, thats life..... if your mothers first marriage was a Catholic Marriage and valid she should not have been allow to remarry.


You keep saying that but bad stuff happens all over the catholic world. And it wasn't my mother. It was my husband's mother.
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Posted: 09-28-07 11:26am

Haha XD Yeah, buddhism doesn't lend itself to judgementalism very well. Aside from "do not associate with those not as smart as you". Like I said, I don't agree with everything Buddha said.
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Posted: 09-28-07 12:19pm

Some Catholic churches are more liberal than others. Some even allow interfaith marriages (without the stipulation that the spouse converts) I know certain catholics won't like to hear that, but Catholicism really is dividing into more liberal (with the times) churches and more traditional (like back to Vatican I!! Yikes) churches.

I like the liberal ones, because they like me!
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Posted: 09-28-07 12:30pm

Gu£st wrote:
"However, since you brought it up, people who divorce are allowed to remarry in a church, are they not? "

Not the Catholic Church - the church insituted by christ, no!


Jesus didn't institute the Catholic Church, and you blaspheme his name by saying so.

Jesus would NEVER be a Catholic. He didn't hate anyone. He would be sick to his stomach at the notion of Catholicism.
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Posted: 09-28-07 12:37pm

nightangel73 wrote:
Gu£st wrote:

"Guest: WHY in the world is gay sex BAD?"

IN THE WORLD.... it is fine.

"Why is it okay for a man to be in love with a man, but it's evil for them to consumate this love? "

Well that is simple - because God does not want them to do it, whatever God does not want us to do and we do it - is a sin ( the homosexual act is not evil, it is sinful)



Gay sex is not sinful, it is simply disgusting. I can see why god don't like it. He sure didn't meant for this to happen. Yikes!


Then are you saying God screwed up? God made these people, didn't he make everybody?

Why do so many Priests engage in anal sex?
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Posted: 09-28-07 12:49pm

The Catholic church was instituted by, um... (scrounging through memory) Constantine? Long after Jesus was dead. Like hundred of years after Jesus was dead.
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Posted: 09-28-07 17:34pm

Georgia59 wrote:
The Catholic church was instituted by, um... (scrounging through memory) Constantine? Long after Jesus was dead. Like hundred of years after Jesus was dead.


the catholic church was instituted by Saint Peter, he was our first Pope
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Posted: 09-28-07 17:35pm

futureshock wrote:
nightangel73 wrote:
Gu£st wrote:

"Guest: WHY in the world is gay sex BAD?"

IN THE WORLD.... it is fine.

"Why is it okay for a man to be in love with a man, but it's evil for them to consumate this love? "

Well that is simple - because God does not want them to do it, whatever God does not want us to do and we do it - is a sin ( the homosexual act is not evil, it is sinful)



Gay sex is not sinful, it is simply disgusting. I can see why god don't like it. He sure didn't meant for this to happen. Yikes!


Then are you saying God screwed up? God made these people, didn't he make everybody?

Why do so many Priests engage in anal sex?


No god didn't screwed up. God made them right. They screwed up themselves.
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Posted: 09-28-07 19:08pm

The main reason is that unlike other sinful lifestyles homosexuality is being pounded (no pun intended) into our society as being ok and an acceptable lifestyle and branded as "okay" and then if one disagrees they get branded as an advocate of hate.
Yes being an alcoholic and druggie is wrong and society treats it as such.
A premiscuous lifestyle isnt good and for the most part society does frown on it.
etc. etc.
If someone want to engage in a gay lifestyle; fine. Just dont be telling me that I have to say its okay.
Ohhh. Didnt see the post above!
I am not hateful to gays I know. I treat them the same as anyone. Even though I believe their choice is wrong.
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Posted: 09-28-07 21:00pm

nightangel73 wrote:
Georgia59 wrote:
The Catholic church was instituted by, um... (scrounging through memory) Constantine? Long after Jesus was dead. Like hundred of years after Jesus was dead.


the catholic church was instituted by Saint Peter, he was our first Pope


I think Constantine started it- and set up the pope-dom.

But anyway, the point was, the Catholic church started way after Jesus.
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Posted: 09-29-07 00:12am

milletics wrote:
The main reason is that unlike other sinful lifestyles homosexuality is being pounded (no pun intended) into our society as being ok and an acceptable lifestyle and branded as "okay" and then if one disagrees they get branded as an advocate of hate.
Yes being an alcoholic and druggie is wrong and society treats it as such.
A premiscuous lifestyle isnt good and for the most part society does frown on it.
etc. etc.
If someone want to engage in a gay lifestyle; fine. Just dont be telling me that I have to say its okay.
Ohhh. Didnt see the post above!
I am not hateful to gays I know. I treat them the same as anyone. Even though I believe their choice is wrong.


This is an example of how screwed up things are...you explicity mention alcoholism and drug addiction, which is apparently "wrong" to have, and how society frowns on it.

How little you know of alcoholism and chemical dependency that you would use those specific examples in this capacity.

It is people with these same sentiments that had mentally ill individuals locked away; so society doesn't "accept" their "choices" as "okay".
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Posted: 09-29-07 06:21am

I think all would agree that Constantine was emperor from 274 - 337AD

Correct?

That the New Testiment was wrote between A.D. 48 - 90AD

Correct?

We would all agree that St John wrote a number of Epistals, Revelation and one of the Gospels, he was one of the 12 Apostles who followed Jesus and was the only one not mayterd and he lived until old age.

correct?

I think all would agree that Saint Ignatius of Antioch was the third Bishop or Patriarch of Antioch between (ca. 35-117) and a student of the Apostle John.

We would all agree that Antioch is also the place where the term "Christian" originated.

St Ignatius the Bishop of Antioch, student of the Apostle John (who wrote many books in the bible) who was bishop around the time the New Testiment was wrote, Sent a letter to the Smyraeans in this document dated between 107 -110AD shortly before St Ignatious Death in Rome and just after the Death of his teacher St John (97AD) he wrote the following:

"Wherever the bishop shall appear, there let the multitude [of the people] also be; even as, wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the CATHOLIC Church."


The Emperor Constantine was emperor between 274 - 337AD. saying constantine started the catholic church is not only wrong, it is imposible, St Ignatious Calls the Church "The Catholic Church" two hunderd and twenty seven years before the emperor constantine.

We also have the historical verfied liniage of the papacy from the First Pope ST Peter to the Second St Linus right upto blessed John Paul II and Pope Benedict XVI

The Catholic Church is the Church built by Jesus Christ on the Foundation of St Peter.... History confirms this!

and for those who have faith in Jesus christ, we have his utmost assurance, regarding this church that:

"the Gates of hell shall not prevail against it"
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Posted: 09-29-07 10:01am

nightangel73 wrote:
Georgia59 wrote:
The Catholic church was instituted by, um... (scrounging through memory) Constantine? Long after Jesus was dead. Like hundred of years after Jesus was dead.


the catholic church was instituted by Saint Peter, he was our first Pope

Technically the Catholic church was started by Peter and made officially accepted and the religion of the state by Constantine. They were both important players in the development of the religion.
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