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Gu£st
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Posted: 09-28-07 09:31am
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Jesus loves everyone and Catholics dont
judge others, we dont condemn anyone to
hell, it is not our place. You will find a
lot of protestants laying on the fire and
brimstone but not the catholics.
God is love, he loves all even the most
wretched, I should know!!!
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sillyakchick
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Posted: 09-28-07 09:39am
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| Gu£st
wrote: | "My mother in law was
remarried in a catholic church"
impossible!!!!
was her previous marrige valid?
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Begging your pardon, but yes, her first
marriage was valid. She was
excommunicated for having the audacity to
divorce her abusive alcoholic husband.
Then she married my husband's father and
had him. She begged and begged to be let
back into the church. They finally agreed
but only if she was able to convert her
husband. He was a good lutheran boy and
refused. She had a breakdown, left him
and then was able to find someone new who
was willing to be converted. THus she had
a catholic wedding and was allowed back
into the church. The stipulation was that
she had to denounce my husband's
existance-her own son. So yes, I think
the catholic shurch is "a wonderful
religious institution". NOT!
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Gu£st
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Posted: 09-28-07 09:48am
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This is lies.... or your bishop and priest
in your area is a very very wicked men.
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sillyakchick
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Posted: 09-28-07 09:56am
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Please refrain from calling me a liar. It
does not reflect well on you.
Furthermore, I am sorry that the truth is
difficult for you to take. It is rather
inconvenient, isn't it?
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Gu£st
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Posted: 09-28-07 11:10am
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"She was excommunicated for having the
audacity to divorce her abusive alcoholic
husband."
but you dont get excommunicated for being
divorced.
"They finally agreed but only if she was
able to convert her husband"
that dosnt even make sense, why would the
conversion of another person effect the
faith of someone else?
"THus she had a catholic wedding and was
allowed back into the church."
"The stipulation was that she had to
denounce my husband's existance-her own
son. "
This stuff is not Catholic, You should
report this priest to the bishop, if its
the bishop report him to the Cardinal, if
you get no satisfaction report it to the
holy see in rome, if it is true, then who
is responsible should be put into
cloister. its not inconvient for me,
because this is not what the church
teaches, its obviously exploitation of
posstion, people are people and will
expolite their possiton, thats life.....
if your mothers first marriage was a
Catholic Marriage and valid she should not
have been allow to remarry.
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Tylanas
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Posted: 09-28-07 11:16am
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Just a question but, would the man in this
relationship be allowed to remarry?
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sillyakchick
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Posted: 09-28-07 11:24am
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Whether he was allowed or not, he did
remarrry, but I think it was a courtroom
wedding. This has caused my husband a lot
of greif over time. It happened when he
was 4, so that would have been 33 years
ago. Not really something he would bring
up to the church at this point. He's
lutheran anyway, and his dad did a
wonderful job raising him, so it doesn't
really matter anymore. Except that he
doesn't exist. He is a little bummed
about that.
So anyway, Guest, whether you like it or
not the Catholic Church has proved time
and time again not to be able to live up
to even it's own high ideals. Why would I
choose to follow such a corrrupt
institution? I like it better where I am-
in a land where people are all treated
equally, and loved, and people try to
understand where you are coming from, even
if they don't like what you are saying.
And nobody has to believe the same way you
do. And nobody gets angry at me because i
am a bisexual. And children are not
shamed or frightened into behaving well.
And I don't care to join you in your
version of Heaven, because if the other
people there are like you, I would not
wish to be with them for all eternity. So
if I am not lucky enough to be dissolved
into Ahimsa before next time. I will see
you areund as an ant or cockroach or
something. Because you have a very long
way to go my friend to reach
enlightenment. I fear your Karma, but
know that it is coming.
(That's the best impression of a
judgemental buddhist I can make)
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sillyakchick
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Posted: 09-28-07 11:26am
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| Gu£st
wrote: | "She was excommunicated for
having the audacity to divorce her abusive
alcoholic husband."
but you dont get excommunicated for being
divorced.
"They finally agreed but only if she was
able to convert her husband"
that dosnt even make sense, why would the
conversion of another person effect the
faith of someone else?
"THus she had a catholic wedding and was
allowed back into the church."
"The stipulation was that she had to
denounce my husband's existance-her own
son. "
This stuff is not Catholic, You should
report this priest to the bishop, if its
the bishop report him to the Cardinal, if
you get no satisfaction report it to the
holy see in rome, if it is true, then who
is responsible should be put into
cloister. its not inconvient for me,
because this is not what the church
teaches, its obviously exploitation of
posstion, people are people and will
expolite their possiton, thats life.....
if your mothers first marriage was a
Catholic Marriage and valid she should not
have been allow to
remarry. |
You keep saying that but bad stuff happens
all over the catholic world. And it
wasn't my mother. It was my husband's
mother.
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Tylanas
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Posted: 09-28-07 11:26am
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Haha XD Yeah, buddhism doesn't lend itself
to judgementalism very well. Aside from
"do not associate with those not as smart
as you". Like I said, I don't agree with
everything Buddha said.
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Georgia59
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Posted: 09-28-07 12:19pm
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Some Catholic churches are more liberal
than others. Some even allow interfaith
marriages (without the stipulation that
the spouse converts) I know certain
catholics won't like to hear that, but
Catholicism really is dividing into more
liberal (with the times) churches and more
traditional (like back to Vatican I!!
Yikes) churches.
I like the liberal ones, because they like
me!
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Posted: 09-28-07 12:30pm
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| Gu£st
wrote: | "However, since you brought
it up, people who divorce are allowed to
remarry in a church, are they not? "
Not the Catholic Church - the church
insituted by christ,
no! |
Jesus didn't institute the Catholic
Church, and you blaspheme his name by
saying so.
Jesus would NEVER be a Catholic. He
didn't hate anyone. He would be sick to
his stomach at the notion of Catholicism.
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Posted: 09-28-07 12:37pm
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wrote: | | Gu£st
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"Guest: WHY in the world is gay sex BAD?"
IN THE WORLD.... it is fine.
"Why is it okay for a man to be in love
with a man, but it's evil for them to
consumate this love? "
Well that is simple - because God does not
want them to do it, whatever God does not
want us to do and we do it - is a sin (
the homosexual act is not evil, it is
sinful)
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Gay sex is not sinful, it is simply
disgusting. I can see why god don't like
it. He sure didn't meant for this to
happen.
Yikes! |
Then are you saying God screwed up? God
made these people, didn't he make
everybody?
Why do so many Priests engage in anal sex?
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Georgia59
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Posted: 09-28-07 12:49pm
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The Catholic church was instituted by,
um... (scrounging through memory)
Constantine? Long after Jesus was dead.
Like hundred of years after Jesus was
dead.
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Posted: 09-28-07 17:34pm
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| Georgia59
wrote: | | The Catholic church was
instituted by, um... (scrounging through
memory) Constantine? Long after Jesus was
dead. Like hundred of years after Jesus
was dead. |
the catholic church was instituted by
Saint Peter, he was our first Pope
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Posted: 09-28-07 17:35pm
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| futureshock
wrote: | | nightangel73
wrote: | | Gu£st
wrote: |
"Guest: WHY in the world is gay sex BAD?"
IN THE WORLD.... it is fine.
"Why is it okay for a man to be in love
with a man, but it's evil for them to
consumate this love? "
Well that is simple - because God does not
want them to do it, whatever God does not
want us to do and we do it - is a sin (
the homosexual act is not evil, it is
sinful)
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Gay sex is not sinful, it is simply
disgusting. I can see why god don't like
it. He sure didn't meant for this to
happen.
Yikes! |
Then are you saying God screwed up? God
made these people, didn't he make
everybody?
Why do so many Priests engage in anal
sex? |
No god didn't screwed up. God made them
right. They screwed up themselves.
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milletics
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Posted: 09-28-07 19:08pm
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The main reason is that unlike other
sinful lifestyles homosexuality is being
pounded (no pun intended) into our society
as being ok and an acceptable lifestyle
and branded as "okay" and then if one
disagrees they get branded as an advocate
of hate.
Yes being an alcoholic and druggie is
wrong and society treats it as such.
A premiscuous lifestyle isnt good and for
the most part society does frown on it.
etc. etc.
If someone want to engage in a gay
lifestyle; fine. Just dont be telling me
that I have to say its okay.
Ohhh. Didnt see the post above!
I am not hateful to gays I know. I treat
them the same as anyone. Even though I
believe their choice is wrong.
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Georgia59
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Posted: 09-28-07 21:00pm
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| nightangel73
wrote: | | Georgia59
wrote: | | The Catholic church was
instituted by, um... (scrounging through
memory) Constantine? Long after Jesus was
dead. Like hundred of years after Jesus
was dead. |
the catholic church was instituted by
Saint Peter, he was our first
Pope |
I think Constantine started it- and set up
the pope-dom.
But anyway, the point was, the Catholic
church started way after Jesus.
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Posted: 09-29-07 00:12am
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| milletics
wrote: | The main reason is that
unlike other sinful lifestyles
homosexuality is being pounded (no pun
intended) into our society as being ok and
an acceptable lifestyle and branded as
"okay" and then if one disagrees they get
branded as an advocate of hate.
Yes being an alcoholic and druggie is
wrong and society treats it as such.
A premiscuous lifestyle isnt good and for
the most part society does frown on it.
etc. etc.
If someone want to engage in a gay
lifestyle; fine. Just dont be telling me
that I have to say its okay.
Ohhh. Didnt see the post above!
I am not hateful to gays I know. I treat
them the same as anyone. Even though I
believe their choice is
wrong. |
This is an example of how screwed up
things are...you explicity mention
alcoholism and drug addiction, which is
apparently "wrong" to have, and how
society frowns on it.
How little you know of alcoholism and
chemical dependency that you would use
those specific examples in this capacity.
It is people with these same sentiments
that had mentally ill individuals locked
away; so society doesn't "accept" their
"choices" as "okay".
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Gu£st
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Posted: 09-29-07 06:21am
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I think all would agree that Constantine
was emperor from 274 - 337AD
Correct?
That the New Testiment was wrote between
A.D. 48 - 90AD
Correct?
We would all agree that St John wrote a
number of Epistals, Revelation and one of
the Gospels, he was one of the 12 Apostles
who followed Jesus and was the only one
not mayterd and he lived until old age.
correct?
I think all would agree that Saint
Ignatius of Antioch was the third Bishop
or Patriarch of Antioch between (ca.
35-117) and a student of the Apostle
John.
We would all agree that Antioch is also
the place where the term "Christian"
originated.
St Ignatius the Bishop of Antioch, student
of the Apostle John (who wrote many books
in the bible) who was bishop around the
time the New Testiment was wrote, Sent a
letter to the Smyraeans in this document
dated between 107 -110AD shortly before St
Ignatious Death in Rome and just after the
Death of his teacher St John (97AD) he
wrote the following:
"Wherever the bishop shall appear, there
let the multitude [of the people] also be;
even as, wherever Jesus Christ is, there
is the CATHOLIC Church."
The Emperor Constantine was emperor
between 274 - 337AD. saying constantine
started the catholic church is not only
wrong, it is imposible, St Ignatious Calls
the Church "The Catholic Church" two
hunderd and twenty seven years before the
emperor constantine.
We also have the historical verfied
liniage of the papacy from the First Pope
ST Peter to the Second St Linus right upto
blessed John Paul II and Pope Benedict XVI
The Catholic Church is the Church built by
Jesus Christ on the Foundation of St
Peter.... History confirms this!
and for those who have faith in Jesus
christ, we have his utmost assurance,
regarding this church that:
"the Gates of hell shall not prevail
against it"
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Posted: 09-29-07 10:01am
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| nightangel73
wrote: | | Georgia59
wrote: | | The Catholic church was
instituted by, um... (scrounging through
memory) Constantine? Long after Jesus was
dead. Like hundred of years after Jesus
was dead. |
the catholic church was instituted by
Saint Peter, he was our first
Pope |
Technically the Catholic church was
started by Peter and made officially
accepted and the religion of the state by
Constantine. They were both important
players in the development of the
religion.
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