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Verizon-y
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Posted: 10-29-07 18:34pm
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Birch
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Posted: 10-29-07 21:57pm
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"Snowflake" because they are
frozen?
Several comments arose as I read the pdf
file...
1. How incredibly selfish these people
are. The story told by a mother says; "I
could experience wearing maternity
clothes, attend prenatal classes"...etc.
The next time someone spouts off about the
selfishness of abortion, they are getting
a link to this article.
2. Along the same lines, they have to
thaw embryos for this procedure. This
same story states that they thawed five,
and only three survived. 
I guess that's okay, since it's
God's will to kill those embryos that they
become parents...I mean, that's why they
were sterile and he put IVF in their
path.
In a related note,
I've never really cared much about IVF,
but you have really helped educate me
futureshock; thank you.
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Rodge
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Posted: 10-30-07 07:12am
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What the frick does George Bush have to do
with adopting embryos? 
...Wait, so the main reason for using
someone else's embryo instead of just
adopting is convenience when it comes to
medical records? That's insane. There are
kids rotting away in foster care who need
loving families, but you don't want them
because you don't know their medical
history? You suck.
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Verizon-y
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Posted: 10-30-07 14:19pm
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| Birch
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In a related note,
I've never really cared much about IVF,
but you have really helped educate me
futureshock; thank
you. |
I cannot tell you how much I appreciate
that comment. Thank-you. 
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Georgia59
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Posted: 10-30-07 16:39pm
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I have to say, IVF is a scary concept to
me.
Because it just provides a way for the
upper class to have more children,
healthier children, stronger children,
than the middle and lower classes.
Insurance doesn't often cover it.... and
it's really expensive. Only rich people
can afford it, only rich people can afford
to be sure that they will have perfect
little children.
We don't need a bigger upper class.
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Verizon-y
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Posted: 10-30-07 18:30pm
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| Georgia59
wrote: | I have to say, IVF is a
scary concept to me.
Because it just provides a way for the
upper class to have more children,
healthier children, stronger children,
than the middle and lower classes.
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How do they get healthier and stronger
children from IVF?
| Georgia59
wrote: |
Insurance doesn't often cover it.... and
it's really expensive. Only rich people
can afford it, only rich people can afford
to be sure that they will have perfect
little children.
We don't need a bigger upper
class. |
How are IVF children perfect, and why do
you think IVF will cause a larger upper
class?
And what would be bad about having a
larger upper class?
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daffodil67
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Posted: 11-06-07 03:43am
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OMFG...I thought adopting embryos was an
absurd joke--until the pro fetus woman
chimed in and said her group was grateful
to know about the cluster you mentioned,
they are looking for MORE TO ADOPT????
I now know the world has gone mad.
How in hell is THAT the Christian thing to
do?? IS not the plight of the LIVING much
more dire and urgent than that of the
FROZEN and not even HUMAN?????
The only answer is to study up on the
bible and spew it back...liek the 144k
that will be saved in the Rapture, for
those 2 billion christians who believe in
the rapture...(will it be you gettin'
saved, or granny???) lmao
IF they paid HALF as much attention to
remedying foster care as they did to this
ABSURD notion that god wants them to save
CLUMPS OF CELLS IN STRANGERS"
BODIES....the world would be a halfway
decent place.
One pro fetus person asked why only THEY
were getting asked if they fostered
children (HOW BOUT ADOPTION?!?!?!?)
ANSWER::: Cause y'all bring the idea up
that adoption will solve the world's ills.
Everyone wil be happy if the wicked women
who get pregnant and dont' want to be
would jsut have the babies and then
surrender them to strangers. THAT"S WHY.
ARGHHHHHH...leave us and our internal
organs ALONE!!!!!
sorry...this is the craziest thing I've
heard...I mean--am I having a psychotic
break (again...lol)??? I need to go to
bed. In the mean time, could one of you
kind early risers or brits, if avail,
leave a note if this is real or not, cause
I'm starting to freak out!!!!!! like not
in a funny way. have they really finally
pushed me over the edge? omg...wow. ok. oh
god. This cannot be true. it's too
absurd. geeeeez. ciao
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Verizon-y
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Posted: 11-06-07 13:55pm
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This is real. George Bush (and the Pope)
even endorsed it himself. Bush went to
see the Pope when he was trying to figure
out what to do about stem cell research
funding. The Pope told Bush not to allow
experiments on the frozen, unwanted
embryos, but instead to have "good
Catholic women" impregnate themselves with
the embryos, give birth to them, and put
them up for adoption in good homes.
LOLZZZZZZZZZZZ!
TRUE TRUE TRUE.
The Snowflake adoption program skips the
good catholic middlewoman and gives
embryos right to adoptive families and the
adoptive women themselves give birth to
them. When Bush vetoed the stem cell
funding, he had snowflake children
surrounding him.
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Georgia59
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Posted: 11-06-07 13:55pm
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| futureshock
wrote: | | Georgia59
wrote: | I have to say, IVF is a
scary concept to me.
Because it just provides a way for the
upper class to have more children,
healthier children, stronger children,
than the middle and lower classes.
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How do they get healthier and stronger
children from IVF?
| Georgia59
wrote: |
Insurance doesn't often cover it.... and
it's really expensive. Only rich people
can afford it, only rich people can afford
to be sure that they will have perfect
little children.
We don't need a bigger upper
class. |
How are IVF children perfect, and why do
you think IVF will cause a larger upper
class?
And what would be bad about having a
larger upper
class? |
Sorry I missed this but I think we've
hashed out all we can on the other thread.
When I say that IVF can cause healthier
children, I mean that embryoes chosen in
IVF have things listed such as genetic
diseases that they may carry, and women
can choose which embryo they want based on
likely health. Therefore, (not in current
practice but perhaps in the near future)
it could end up that families who can't
afford IVF aren't able to have healthy
children (not all, but some) and therefore
the upper class would be having all the
healthy babies.
Having a significanlty larger upper class
compared to the middle/lower classes is
detrimental to the standard of living of a
society- as the upper class becomes
dominant, the needs of the lower/middle
classes aren't met and they only get worse
off. The gap between lower and upper
classes is often used as a measure of the
economic stability of a country.
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Posted: 11-06-07 14:00pm
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Go to the link at the bottom to see the
picture of Bush surrounded by snowflake
babies.
Snowflake Babies
If there is any doubt that embryos
are living human beings, it should
have been resolved by what
President George W. Bush did when
he vetoed the embryonic stem cell
research bill last summer. He
surrounded himself with a large group of
babies who were destined for
destruction as embryos but were
rescued by courageous women who
adopted them and gave them a chance
for life.
They are called snowflake babies
because they spent part of their lives
frozen in fertility clinics. While the
creation of embryos in laboratories is
immoral, adopting embryos is a heroic
act of agape – and human solidarity
William B. May is Chairman of Catholics
for the Common Good
Appeared on www.catholicexchange.com
ht
tp://www.ccgaction.com/downloads/StemCellR
esearchisGood.pdf
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Posted: 11-06-07 14:02pm
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Thanks for that response, Georgia.
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Georgia59
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Posted: 11-06-07 14:10pm
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The snowflake thing is creepy though. Talk
about using women's bodies as a means to
support your cause.
Catholicism would be very different if
women ran things.
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Verizon-y
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Posted: 11-06-07 15:29pm
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Agreed on both counts, Georgia!
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daffodil67
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Posted: 11-07-07 00:21am
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well, it's the weirdest/most
bizzare/horribel thing I've heard since
"gearge W elected to second term" and
before that planes flying into American
buildings and PA field...
but it does leave me feeling a little on
the edge of how much of this "reality" I
think I can take...
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Posted: 11-07-07 07:40am
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I agree completely. It is to our shame as
a nation that he was re-elected. (Or
elected for the first time, since in his
first term he wasn't actually elected,
more like selected.
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