If this is true, I agree with you.
However, I doubt it is true, because it
does not make sense. It only makes sense
to a pro-lifer who wants to disparage
women. Look at embarrassed on this forum.
Every abortion is "frivolous". It's not
very far from that way of thinking, to
imagining whorish women aborting month
after month.
There are women like this....and I am not
saying this to disparage women....I am
stating fact. Are they the
majority...no...but they are out
there...and telling yourself they aren't
won't change that.
I'd love some evidence.
I'm not telling myself anything. I am
logically deducing that it is irrational
to abort every month rather than take a
pill.
trina1
wrote:
It is much easier to make a point if you
don't insult someone in the process. It
also makes you much more believable if you
are able to stand behind your facts and
opinions without tearing someone elses
down. JMHO
You are right. I'm sorry.
trina1
wrote:
futureshock
wrote:
Being pregnant, even for the
short time before an abortion, is horrid.
Contant puking, missed work or school. I
was bedridden with nausea 24/7, and so
were many, many of the women I
know.
Did you ever consider that your experience
is not everyone elses experience? Some
women...as you say have horrid morning
sickness in the first trimester...but
usually after that...they feel
fine.
I am obviously only
discussing the first trimester, the time
during which a woman is pregnant before
she aborts. It makes no sense to want to
be ill like that month after month, when
you can avoid being pregnant by taking
birth control.
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MeaganIsGreat
New User, Becoming EHEALTHy
Joined: 09 Oct 2007 Posts: 7 Location: Huntington, WV USA
Wow Posted: 10-09-07 18:54pm
those symptoms are from your body trying
to figure out what is in you and trying to
get rid of itself.....
Im Pro choice because some people get
raped and molested and some people are MR
and autistic and they get pregnant....they
shouldnt be forced into keeping the
kid....anyhting else i think is
ridiculas....you do the crime, you do the
time....my dad taught me that
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AyaMiyaki
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Posted: 10-09-07 18:55pm
Sex isn't a crime, sweetheart. And
pregnancy should not be punishment for
daring to have it.
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embarrassed40
Experienced User , Rather EHEALTHy
Joined: 16 Aug 2007 Posts: 323 Location: topeka, kansas
Re: Wow Posted: 10-09-07 19:58pm
MeaganIsGreat
wrote:
those symptoms are from your
body trying to figure out what is in you
and trying to get rid of itself.....
Im Pro choice because some people get
raped and molested and some people are MR
and autistic and they get pregnant....they
shouldnt be forced into keeping the
kid....anyhting else i think is
ridiculas....you do the crime, you do the
time....my dad taught me
that
You and I are on the same page to some
degree, although many on this site
disagree with the responsibility part. I
don't think they would make ........never
mind you all know what I was going to say.
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embarrassed40
Experienced User , Rather EHEALTHy
Joined: 16 Aug 2007 Posts: 323 Location: topeka, kansas
Posted: 10-09-07 20:00pm
AyaMiyaki
wrote:
Sex isn't a crime,
sweetheart. And pregnancy should not be
punishment for daring to have
it.
I don't think I would say sex is a daring
act. Especially when
speaking to the kiddie crew that sometimes
lurks but are not yet ready to post.
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Tylanas
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Posted: 10-09-07 20:32pm
Jules
wrote:
Eiri
wrote:
Jules
wrote:
Birch
wrote:
I know this is way off subject, but since
everything else is shot to piss on this
forum...
Excuse me? Any recommendations?
Ban embarassed. Thats just
me.
I can't ban anyone, you know that.
Admin is aware of
Embarrassed.
Lol. You asked for suggestions! ^^ I know.
I've done all the badgering I'm going to
do - I hope.
Other than that, I think the forums have
been pretty good. Everyone else is (for
the most part) very well behaved.
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Jincks013
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Re: Wow Posted: 10-09-07 20:35pm
MeaganIsGreat
wrote:
those symptoms are from your
body trying to figure out what is in you
and trying to get rid of itself.....
Im Pro choice because some people get
raped and molested and some people are MR
and autistic and they get pregnant....they
shouldnt be forced into keeping the
kid....anyhting else i think is
ridiculas....you do the crime, you do the
time....my dad taught me
that
If we were talking crime I'd agree with
you but since we are talking a legal
elective medical proceedure then I am not
understanding why you are equating sex
with criminal action.
Consent to sex is not consent to
pregnancy. Pregnancy isn't a punishment
for having sex.
I'd say from your post you are fairly
young and while your idea of pro-choice is
a bit notable skewed I do not debate your
right to your opinion but why should you
determine what is a valid reason for my
daughter, who I tend to think is about
your age, to obtain an abortion and get
rid of an unwanted pregnancy?
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embarrassed40
Experienced User , Rather EHEALTHy
Joined: 16 Aug 2007 Posts: 323 Location: topeka, kansas
Posted: 10-09-07 20:53pm
Eiri
wrote:
Jules
wrote:
Eiri
wrote:
Jules
wrote:
Birch
wrote:
I know this is way off subject, but since
everything else is shot to piss on this
forum...
Excuse me? Any recommendations?
Ban embarassed. Thats just
me.
I can't ban anyone, you know that.
Admin is aware of
Embarrassed.
Lol. You asked for suggestions! ^^ I know.
I've done all the badgering I'm going to
do - I hope.
Other than that, I think the forums have
been pretty good. Everyone else is (for
the most part) very well
behaved.
For someone who is supposed to be ignoring
me, you sure do talk a lot about me, and
now you put in writing that you are
attempting to intentially badger me.
That is against the rules of this site and
a moderator should have better judgement
than to partake in this behavior. I post
what I believe, if that is upsetting to
someone then they can attempt to engage me
or ignore me.
My remarks have been pertinant to the
discussion. Just because you "Hate" me
and want to "Get rid of me" does not make
that right. I feel sorry for someone who
can become so emotional, when a man voices
his opinions about marriage and marriage
material.
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Jincks013
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Posted: 10-09-07 21:02pm
Marriage is easy. Just outlaw it.. no more
problem.
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AyaMiyaki
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Posted: 10-09-07 21:05pm
Aww, I love being married I'd be upset if
they outlawed it!
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Birch
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Posted: 10-09-07 22:12pm
Eiri
wrote:
Birch
wrote:
Would you call someone "retarded' if a
mentally retarded individual was around
you within
earshot?
I certainly wouldn't O.o Not on purpose
anyway.
I really try to filter my words depending
on company. I did teach myself to refrain
from calling things "gay" (like, Oh man,
no chocolate milk? That's gay!) because it
is an insult, and I get offended when
others use it. I should probably do the
same thing with retarded. I substituted
"stupid" instead of "gay", so that may be
why I use retarded more often, since I use
it much in the same way. "Oh man, no
chocolate milk? That's
stupid!".
Cool.
One last little thing is that I think that
if you wouldn't use the word in direct
company, you shouldn't use it in polite
company. For example, if I am with a
group and someone makes a racist slur, I
am still offended even if there is no
member of the other race around. I will
still be offended if someone makes fun of
mentally ill people, even if there is no
mentally ill individual around...does that
make sense?
Jules
wrote:
Birch
wrote:
I know this is way off subject, but since
everything else is shot to piss on this
forum...
Excuse me? Any recommendations?
Oh, sorry Jules, I didn't mean that as a
shot against you or anything, but that
topics had gone a little haywire so I
didn't think my tangent would be minded.
I didn't express myself clearly. Sorry
'bout that.
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Tylanas
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Posted: 10-09-07 23:52pm
Oh yeah totally! If I know there's someone
in the group who would be offended, I
don't say it when I remember. I have a
friend who's sister is developmentally
disabled, and I don't say "retarded"
around him.
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Jules
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Posted: 10-10-07 01:43am
Sorry Eiri and Birch, was a bit over
sensitive yesterday, don't know why!
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Marianne0558
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Posted: 10-10-07 08:27am
futureshock
wrote:
Marianne0558
wrote:
futureshock
wrote:
Marianne0558
wrote:
I understand that you are against
frivolous abortions. I'm pro-choice,
unless abortion is being used as a form
of birth control-which
unfortunately happens a
lot.
What does that
mean?
There are some uneducated women who think,
'oops, i got pregnant.' Then, they head
off to the clinic to abort. I'm talking
about the women who go in abortion after
abortion after abortion. The ones that
don't take any form of birth control or
take any steps to NOT get pregnant, then
head off to abort once they mistakenly get
a positive test result. Those are the
women who use abortion as a form of birth
control. See what I am trying to say?
I'm all for women having the right to
choose what happens with their pregnancy,
but at the same time, it is so very wrong
to not use protection and use abortion as
an alternative.
I feel that some people are going to bash
me for what I said on this one...
If this is true, I agree with you.
However, I doubt it is true, because it
does not make sense. It only makes sense
to a pro-lifer who wants to disparage
women. Look at embarrassed on this forum.
Every abortion is "frivolous". It's not
very far from that way of thinking, to
imagining whorish women aborting month
after month.
But think logically (a.k.a. not like a
pro-lifer) for a moment.
Being pregnant, even for the short time
before an abortion, is horrid. Contant
puking, missed work or school. I was
bedridden with nausea 24/7, and so were
many, many of the women I know.
Then, finally, the abortion. It's
terrifying surgery. It's painful, even if
you get knocked out it's horrible because
coming out of the anesthesia makes you
vomit all over again.
It's expensive. Who has $500 to throw out
month after month?
Now, who would go through ALL OF THAT,
instead of popping a pill once a day,
getting an IUD which you never have to
think about, or an implant, also requiring
no thought?
See? Makes no sense that someone would
use abortion as birth
control.
First of all, I am not pro-life, so don't
assume I am because of ONE opinion I
stated.
I definitely never said all abortions are
done in this manner. I said that SOME are.
For SOME women, they think that abortion
is the alternative when their birth
control (IF they are even using it) fails.
And then they resort to this every time
they get pregnant. I know because I
personally know some women who have done
this. I think that would be considered
frivolous, however, not ALL women are like
that. Just SOME. And some women WOULD do
the abortion rather than popping a pill or
getting some other worry-free birth
control because that's just the way some
women are. They think that they are
invisible to pregnancy (usually the
younger crowd) and BOOM, they get pregnant
and resort to abortion. After that first
one, they get pregnant time and time again
and keep aborting. That is how SOME women
use abortion as a form of birth control. I
never said ALL women, I said SOME. And
that by no means is MOST either.
And you can't use the "being pregnant is
awful" excuse either. Not all women are
bedridden due to nausea. I, for one
wasn't-just like all my friends who have
had children weren't either. Yes, the
morning sickness can be awful, but not in
a sense to make me want to abort just for
that sake. So what?
I never said abortion wasn't a horrible
experience but if it were really that
horrible, why would these uneducated
"kids" be going in time, and time again? I
know one girl in particular that had 3
(which is the legal limit in some areas)
and had to go out-of-state in order to
have another. To me, that is ridiculous.
Get some condoms or get on the pill.
If you don't want to get pregnant, you
should make the necessary precautions.
Birth control is offered at a discount, if
not free-depending on your income.
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trina1
Active User, Really EHEALTHy
Joined: 07 Jun 2005 Posts: 528 Location: , Lost in Oz.
Posted: 10-10-07 08:49am
Marianne0558
wrote:
I never said abortion wasn't a horrible
experience but if it were really that
horrible, why would these uneducated
"kids" be going in time, and time again? I
know one girl in particular that had 3
(which is the legal limit in some areas)
and had to go out-of-state in order to
have another. To me, that is ridiculous.
Get some condoms or get on the pill.
If you don't want to get pregnant, you
should make the necessary precautions.
Birth control is offered at a discount, if
not free-depending on your
income.
You know...you bring up some really
interesting points here. I would be
interested in knowing what the median age
group is of the girls that have multiple
abortions. As you said....by no means are
all abortions had in this manner....but
there is a percentage(small) that do. If
they are young girls doing this....then
where are they getting the money?
Obviously if they are having abortions at
some point in their clinic visit they are
getting some kind of bc information....why
are they not paying attention? And
finally....what about their parents? Are
they sneaking around behind their parents
back or do their parents just not care?
If they are older women....again I
ask....how does someone afford multiple
abortions when they range in price from
$250-$1000 per and in most cases are not
covered by insurance. Also....these women
are also recieving bc information during
their clinic visits(or at least they are
suppose to), so why would a grown woman
choose an invasive surgery over a pill or
condom?
Finally...multiple trips under the knife
with anesthetic aren't good for anybody.
The risk of infection is high, not to
mention what the anesthetic can do to
you....so again I have to ask....why?
Maybe I am dense....but I just don't get
doing this to your body over and over
again.
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Marianne0558
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Posted: 10-10-07 08:55am
trina1
wrote:
Marianne0558
wrote:
I never said abortion wasn't a horrible
experience but if it were really that
horrible, why would these uneducated
"kids" be going in time, and time again? I
know one girl in particular that had 3
(which is the legal limit in some areas)
and had to go out-of-state in order to
have another. To me, that is ridiculous.
Get some condoms or get on the pill.
If you don't want to get pregnant, you
should make the necessary precautions.
Birth control is offered at a discount, if
not free-depending on your
income.
You know...you bring up some really
interesting points here. I would be
interested in knowing what the median age
group is of the girls that have multiple
abortions. As you said....by no means are
all abortions had in this manner....but
there is a percentage(small) that do. If
they are young girls doing this....then
where are they getting the money?
Obviously if they are having abortions at
some point in their clinic visit they are
getting some kind of bc information....why
are they not paying attention? And
finally....what about their parents? Are
they sneaking around behind their parents
back or do their parents just not care?
If they are older women....again I
ask....how does someone afford multiple
abortions when they range in price from
$250-$1000 per and in most cases are not
covered by insurance. Also....these women
are also recieving bc information during
their clinic visits(or at least they are
suppose to), so why would a grown woman
choose an invasive surgery over a pill or
condom?
Finally...multiple trips under the knife
with anesthetic aren't good for anybody.
The risk of infection is high, not to
mention what the anesthetic can do to
you....so again I have to ask....why?
Maybe I am dense....but I just don't get
doing this to your body over and over
again.
I don't understand WHY either. This is why
I am against this. Duh!
But just because I don't understand WHY,
doesn't mean it doesn't happen.
The parents of these girls may know what
they're doing or they may not. Some
clinics are under strict patient-doctor
privy that is extended to teens under 18.
As for being able to afford these
abortions, you don't know if they come
from money or not. Some come from money
and have it in their reach. Some work. I
can see how (If I were thinking like the
girl) that I could easily save up my money
and get an abortion. Or my boyfriend would
be paying half. I dunno!!!!!!!!!
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Verizon-y
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Posted: 10-10-07 13:56pm
Marianne0558
wrote:
First of all, I am not pro-life, so don't
assume I am because of ONE opinion I
stated.
I didn't say you were pro-life, and to be
sure you didn't get that impression, I
even used another poster's name
(embarrassed) as an example.
Marianne0558
wrote:
I definitely never said all abortions are
done in this manner.
I didn't think you meant all abortions,
either, and I didn't say that you did.
Marianne0558
wrote:
I said that SOME are. For SOME women, they
think that abortion is the alternative
when their birth control (IF they are even
using it) fails. And then they resort to
this every time they get
pregnant.
Using abortion as birth control is
impossible since they were already using
birth control.
Marianne0558
wrote:
I know because I personally
know some women who have done this. I
think that would be considered frivolous,
however, not ALL women are like that. Just
SOME. And some women WOULD do the abortion
rather than popping a pill or getting some
other worry-free birth control because
that's just the way some women are. They
think that they are invisible to pregnancy
(usually the younger crowd) and BOOM, they
get pregnant and resort to abortion. After
that first one, they get pregnant time and
time again and keep aborting. That is how
SOME women use abortion as a form of birth
control. I never said ALL women, I said
SOME. And that by no means is MOST
either.
Again, I never said you meant all women.
I don't know where you are getting that.
I have only been discussing the specific
women who you say use abortion as birth
control.
Also, there are two different scenarios
here. First, you are talking about women
who use birth control but it fails, and
then they abort. They are NOT USING
abortion as birth control.
Then you are discussing women who don't
use any bc because they don't think they
can get pregnant, but they do, time after
time. This is unbelievably stupid, and I
believe you that there are people like
this, but when you say they use abortion
as birth control, they'd have to have an
awful lot more than three abortions for
that to be the case.
The people you know who have had 3
abortions, over what period of time would
you say? And they used no birth control,
right? Just had sex, got pregnant,
aborted, Had sex, got pregnant, aborted,
and continued that cycle.
Marianne0558
wrote:
And you can't use the "being pregnant is
awful" excuse either. Not all women are
bedridden due to nausea. I, for one
wasn't-just like all my friends who have
had children weren't either. Yes, the
morning sickness can be awful, but not in
a sense to make me want to abort just for
that sake. So what?
I didn't use it as a reason for you to
want to abort or anyone else. I meant it
as an ADDITIONAL reason among the many I
stated that all added up to why it is
illogical to use abortion as birth
control.
Marianne0558
wrote:
I never said abortion wasn't a horrible
experience but if it were really that
horrible, why would these uneducated
"kids" be going in time, and time again? I
know one girl in particular that had 3
(which is the legal limit in some areas)
and had to go out-of-state in order to
have another. To me, that is ridiculous.
Get some condoms or get on the pill.
If you don't want to get pregnant, you
should make the necessary precautions.
Birth control is offered at a discount, if
not free-depending on your
income.
I agree with you 100% here. But, if you
are pro-choice, what does it matter how
many abortions a person has? Just
curious.
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Marianne0558
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Posted: 10-10-07 14:04pm
futureshock
wrote:
It only makes sense to a pro-lifer who
wants to disparage women.
It made sense to me. I'm not a pro-lifer
that wants to disparage women.
futureshock
wrote:
Using abortion as birth control is
impossible since they were already using
birth control.
I didn't say they were using birth
control. I said IF they were. Most of
these cases are women who use no form at
all.
futureshock
wrote:
The people you know who have had 3
abortions, over what period of time would
you say? And they used no birth control,
right? Just had sex, got pregnant,
aborted, Had sex, got pregnant, aborted,
and continued that cycle.
Those 3 abortions in this state were in a
year's period. They moved out of state had
had 2 more, all within 6 more months. 5
abortions in a year-and-a-half is
ridiculous to me and you don't have to
agree with that.
futureshock
wrote:
I agree with you 100% here. But, if you
are pro-choice, what does it matter how
many abortions a person has? Just curious.
It matters because there has to be a line
SOMEWHERE. While I think it should be a
woman's choice to go through with
pregnancy or not, I don't think she should
be given the right to have hundreds.
(exaggeration of course). You would think
by then, this woman would have learned
where babies come from.
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Dannzibelle
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Posted: 10-10-07 14:20pm
I became pregnant way before i was ready
to be a parent but due to my own personal
beliefs i chose to carry on with my
pregnancy and i gave birth to my daughter
on the 4th July. Neither is stronger than
the other they both take different kinds
of strength, i really don't think i could
ever go through with an abortion because i
don't have that kind of strength and
likewise i'm sure many other 16 year olds
who found themselves in my position
wouldn't have the kind of strength needed
to carry on with a pregnancy
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Marianne0558
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Posted: 10-10-07 14:21pm
Dannzibelle
wrote:
I became pregnant way before
i was ready to be a parent but due to my
own personal beliefs i chose to carry on
with my pregnancy and i gave birth to my
daughter on the 4th July. Neither is
stronger than the other they both take
different kinds of strength, i really
don't think i could ever go through with
an abortion because i don't have that kind
of strength and likewise i'm sure many
other 16 year olds who found themselves in
my position wouldn't have the kind of
strength needed to carry on with a
pregnancy
Perfect response. I couldn't have said
that any better.
It takes 2 different kinds of strengths.
Especially when
speaking to the kiddie crew that sometimes
lurks but are not yet ready to post.
I'd be upset if
they outlawed it!
