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Abortion Rights And Feminism Don't Walk Hand In Hand Posted: 10-07-07 14:48pm
.......Abortion is inconsistent with
feminism, notwithstanding that the
feminist movement and the pro-life
movement are popularly seen as opposite
and reconcilable.{9} A new movement of
pro-life feminists argue that to be
feminist is to be pro-life. Feminism
argues, among other things, that abortion
is an act of desperation, which can never
be an act of true choice. It is an act of
last resort, that is chosen because
society provides no better solution. When
women homicide{10} their own children to
"participate equally in the economic and
social life of the Nation,"{11} as Justice
O’Conner has suggested is necessary in
Casey, then society has done a great
disservice to women. It is an offensive
and sexist notion that women must deny
their unique ability to conceive and bear
children in order to be treated
equally.{12} The existence of abortion
only shows that women must be as
child-free as men are to be equal. Legal
abortion is one example of how oppression
of women is codified into law. Abortion is
a "band-aid" solution to major social ills
that continue to flourish and that keep
women in second-class status{13} and does
not address basic inequalities, such as
poverty and unequal pay, that lead women
to believe they cannot have a baby.{14}
Abortion is a "cheap fix" that leaves
women as poor and oppressed as they ever
were, while the politicians claim to have
struck a blow for women’s rights and the
abortionists go home $250 richer.{15} A
truly gender-equal society would make
other accommodations for child-bearing by
women, rather than making abortion one of
the easiest means for women available to
gain equality. The appropriate response to
this difficult situation is to remove
social and economic barriers that prevent
or discourage women from bearing children
while fully participating in the life of
society.
In addition, an aborting woman must treat
her body as property, which only
perpetuates male hegemony over human
sexuality and human life.{16} Abortion
perpetuates the view of women as reusable
sex objects: If a woman becomes pregnant,
all it takes is $250 and she’s slender
and happy again. Feminism rejects the idea
of a woman as physical property{17} which
is an idea that is now embraced by some
feminist abortion defenders such as Prof.
Susan E. Looper-Friedman and law student
Jeffrey Goldberg.
I have read this before, and it is quite a
compelling argument for me. I have long
said that women should not ever have to
have an abortion because of money, she
will be ostracized for single motherhood,
her education will suffer, her career may
be blown, etc. It should be a free choice
of preference, such as, "I do not want to
have a baby because I would be a bad
mother or babies disgust me or whatever"
period.
However, this point of view casually
dismisses the fact that we do not live in
this Utopian society. We are not gender
equal, we are not paid equitably, women
are ostracized for being single mothers,
education and careers do suffer.
The solution absolutely is this: "The
appropriate response to this difficult
situation is to remove social and economic
barriers that prevent or discourage women
from bearing children while fully
participating in the life of society"
however we aren't there, we aren't even
close, so now we have to have safe
abortions available for women who choose
it regardless of the reasons.
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Posted: 10-07-07 16:09pm
I didn't want to be poor and a single
mother. I wanted to wait to have a family
after I finished college and made money
and got married. Which is exactly what I
did. Now I have a husband and child and
my life is exactly as I had hoped.
If I had instead had a child against my
will, my life would have been over, and
the child I have now would never have been
born. I wouldn't trade her for anything.
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Posted: 10-07-07 16:16pm
futureshock
wrote:
I didn't want to be poor and
a single mother. I wanted to wait to have
a family after I finished college and made
money and got married. Which is exactly
what I did. Now I have a husband and
child and my life is exactly as I had
hoped.
If I had instead had a child against my
will, my life would have been over, and
the child I have now would never have been
born.
You didn't have to be a mother against
your will....you could have "chosen"
adoption. JMHO
futureshock
wrote:
I wouldn't trade her for
anything.
I feel that way about all my
children....even the one I gave up for
adoption.
I hope your life always stays as happy as
it currently is.
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Posted: 10-07-07 16:19pm
Birch
wrote:
The solution absolutely is this: "The
appropriate response to this difficult
situation is to remove social and economic
barriers that prevent or discourage women
from bearing children while fully
participating in the life of society"
however we aren't there, we aren't even
close, so now we have to have safe
abortions available for women who choose
it regardless of the
reasons.
And put the money from abortions into the
drs. pockets who profit from the womans
body. Women haven't progressed....society
has just found a new way for us to be
slaves to men...by denying who we are and
what our bodies do naturally.
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Posted: 10-07-07 17:38pm
futureshock
wrote:
If I had instead had a child against my
will, my life would have been
over
why would your life be over?
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Posted: 10-07-07 17:40pm
trina1
wrote:
Birch
wrote:
The solution absolutely is this: "The
appropriate response to this difficult
situation is to remove social and economic
barriers that prevent or discourage women
from bearing children while fully
participating in the life of society"
however we aren't there, we aren't even
close, so now we have to have safe
abortions available for women who choose
it regardless of the
reasons.
And put the money from abortions into the
drs. pockets who profit from the womans
body. Women haven't progressed....society
has just found a new way for us to be
slaves to men...by denying who we are and
what our bodies do
naturally.
Doctors deserve pay for their sought-after
services.
They haven't created these societal
problems that have plagued women for
centuries.
What is your solution? Do you think
outlawing abortion will automatically
change these social injustices and raise
the status of women?
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Posted: 10-07-07 18:48pm
Birch
wrote:
Doctors deserve pay for their sought-after
services.
I never said they didn't....but few
insurances cover abortion....and they
aren't free....and many of the women who
have abortions are in financial straights
to begin with....so abortion is just
another way that womens bodies are used to
help finance a predominately male run
business.
Birch
wrote:
They haven't created these
societal problems that have plagued women
for
centuries.
Pregnancy is not a "societal" problem. It
is a problem of "choice." The woman chose
to have sex and due to bad bc, misuse of
bc, or no bc she becomes pregnant. This is
not brought on by society....but by the
woman and her partner. The result
is....the abortion dr. capitalizes on the
womans choice.....and profits. Of course
these abortion drs. are not responsible
for the womans less than stellar
choices...but they sure are counting on
her making them in order for them to stay
in business.
Birch
wrote:
What is your solution? Do
you think outlawing abortion will
automatically change these social
injustices and raise the status of
women?
My solution?
Education...education...education. I
believe women should be taught that they
are wonderful, special, individuals. That
right there would go a long way in
lowering unwanted pregnancies. Too many
young girls feel that the only way that a
guy will care about them is if they have
sex with them. Also....teach them how to
avoid becoming pregnant...and don't be
afraid to teach them about both abstinence
and bc.
Abortion will never be outlawed....but it
does need to be taken away from the
federal government and become a state
issue....where each state chooses whether
to allow abortion or not.
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Because abortion is a human right, it
cannot be state-mandated. That will only
take women's rights backwards almost a
hundred years. Just like right now, gay
marriage is a state issue. It really needs
to be a national one.
Your bodily rights should NOT be a state
issue. As a woman, you are more important
than that!
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Posted: 10-07-07 20:05pm
Eiri
wrote:
Because abortion is a human
right, it cannot be state-mandated.
It is not a human right....it is a federal
law. There are no true "human" rights. If
there were....abortion would be illegal as
it is a crime against human life. Human
rights are not the same as legal rights.
You have a legal right to an
abortion...not a human right to one.
Eiri
wrote:
That will only take women's
rights backwards almost a hundred years.
Just like right now, gay marriage is a
state issue. It really needs to be a
national one.
Again....you are incorrect. By allowing
each state to vote on abortion....you are
insuring the life of abortion....because
there will always be more liberal states
that keep it legal. By keeping it a
federal law....there is always going to be
the chance of a conservative Supreme Court
over turning Roe v. Wade
completely....thus making it illegal in
all states. That is when pc would really
start shedding the tears.
Eiri
wrote:
Your bodily rights should
NOT be a state issue. As a woman, you are
more important than
that!
As a human.....no one should have a right
over your body but you.
Unfortunately....many millions of humans
both born and unborn have died because
someone else stepped in and "chose" death
for them....whether it be their mother, a
court, or a complete stranger. As
humans....we should always strive for life
above death.....because ALL human life
"is" that important.
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Actually Trina if you read up on the topic
of abortion and the founding mothers of
Feminism you will find their chief
objection to abortion was the safety
factor since few women survived the
proceedure then.
As you said ; it's all about education.
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Posted: 10-07-07 23:07pm
trina1
wrote:
I never said they didn't....but few
insurances cover abortion....and they
aren't free....and many of the women who
have abortions are in financial straights
to begin with....so abortion is just
another way that womens bodies are used to
help finance a predominately male run
business.
You just implied it again. Your feelings
towards abortion doctors is quite on
display in your tone.
trina1
wrote:
Pregnancy is not a
"societal" problem. It is a problem of
"choice." The woman chose to have sex and
due to bad bc, misuse of bc, or no bc she
becomes pregnant. This is not brought on
by society....but by the woman and her
partner. The result is....the abortion dr.
capitalizes on the womans choice.....and
profits. Of course these abortion drs. are
not responsible for the womans less than
stellar choices...but they sure are
counting on her making them in order for
them to stay in business.
I think you are missing the 'subtleties'
of the article. The reasons women seek
abortion are societal. Change society,
change abortion statistics.
You are putting your own slant on the
article by making it about women's choice
to have sex, instead of women's choice to
have abortions. That's not what these
feminists are talking about.
What do these feminists say about women
having sex?
trina1
wrote:
My solution?
Education...education...education. I
believe women should be taught that they
are wonderful, special, individuals. That
right there would go a long way in
lowering unwanted pregnancies. Too many
young girls feel that the only way that a
guy will care about them is if they have
sex with them. Also....teach them how to
avoid becoming pregnant...and don't be
afraid to teach them about both abstinence
and bc.
Abortion will never be outlawed....but it
does need to be taken away from the
federal government and become a state
issue....where each state chooses whether
to allow abortion or
not.
I like your solution, and agree that women
completely devalue themselves by making it
all about their appearance and how worthy
they are to men. I can't believe how
little girls express themselves with
clothing and the crapfest music they
listen to telling them what they are.
Parents need to get involved.
It's a fine line to tread because I hate
hate hate censorship...so I think
knowledgeable people need to be available
to guide girls in life.
Why do you think it should not be a
federal issue, and a state one?
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Posted: 10-07-07 23:21pm
The Revolution, the radical feminist
newspaper published by Susan B. Anthony
and Elizabeth Cady Stanton, opposed
abortion as a matter of editorial policy.
The following was most likely authored by
Stanton, the instigator of many other
challenges to conservative religion.
Gage did not, however, object to the
WCTU's urban shelters for unmarried
mothers who might, without this support,
be inclined to abort or commit postnatal
infanticide. For most feminists agreed
that if people acted out of their deepest,
most authentic values, the oppression of
women would end. What would the world look
like then? Everyone agreed, of course,
that women would have the vote, but there
was another point of agreement: abortion
would cease. Early feminists all believed
passionately in what they termed a
"woman's right to her own body," and
"voluntary motherhood." source
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Posted: 10-08-07 11:15am
Jincks013
wrote:
Actually Trina if you read
up on the topic of abortion and the
founding mothers of Feminism you will find
their chief objection to abortion was the
safety factor since few women survived the
proceedure then.
As you said ; it's all about
education.
I have read up on the founding mothers of
Feminism...and yes...they rightly so...had
grave concerns about safety. The really
sharp ones though...also saw the writing
on the wall and realized that abortion was
another way for men to capitalize on
women. They could make money off unwanted
pregnancies and they went for it. Today's
feminist have watched what has happened
since Roe v. Wade and many have realized
that far from being a good thing for
women...it is just another way for women
to stay under the thumb of men.
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Posted: 10-08-07 11:36am
Birch
wrote:
You just implied it again. Your feelings
towards abortion doctors is quite on
display in your
tone.
I implied nothing. I don't hide my
feelings toward abortion drs. I have known
a few....and I have watched as they
charged women that could barely put food
on the table anywhere from $250-$1000 for
abortions. Then they drive away in their
high dollar cars and go to their gated
communities where their multi-million
dollar homes are....that have all been
financed by women who felt they had no
other choice. I have also seen one dr. in
particular who has falsified information
to give women "late-term" abortions and he
has had way too many women leave his
clinic in ambulances. So no...I don't feel
that many of the abortion drs are in it to
"help" women. For every 1000 abortion
drs.....maybe 150 are truly in it to help
women....the rest are there....to help
themselves. JMHO
Birch
wrote:
I think you are missing the
'subtleties' of the article. The reasons
women seek abortion are societal. Change
society, change abortion
statistics.
It is not societal when a woman gets
drunk....meets a guy.....has wild,
unprotected sex....and gets pregnant and
then wants an abortion. That is a choice
she makes from the moment she picks up the
drink until she is filling out paperwork
at the clinic. That has nothing to do with
society and everything to do with
choice(albeit not good ones). All the
changing of "society" in the world is not
going to change the fact that human beings
are going to make bad choices from time to
time and look for a way out. Granted....I
am not saying that this is how all women
wind up at abortion clinics....but if you
are honest....you and I both know that it
makes up for a percentage....and society
has nothing to do with that.
Birch
wrote:
You are putting your own
slant on the article by making it about
women's choice to have sex, instead of
women's choice to have abortions. That's
not what these feminists are talking
about.
What...women aren't making a choice to
have sex? Unless they are raped they
are...but that is not the issue here. The
issue is that men are counting on women
making (bad choices)....(and is a unwanted
pregnancy anything but a bad choice in
your book)....to keep the abortion
business booming. Do you ever wonder how
many multi-million dollar homes have been
built from the abortion business? What
about fancy vacations, expensive cars, and
extravigant lifestyles? All this from
women(many poor) who felt they didn't have
any choice but to abort. That is what
these feminist are talking about....womens
bodies and reproductive systems being used
to afford a life of wealth for men.
Birch
wrote:
Why do you think it should
not be a federal issue, and a state
one?
I am no real lover of the federal
government and as a rule....when the fg is
involved....things usually tend to go
south over a period of time. Anything that
we can take away from the fg and make a
state issue is fine with me.
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Posted: 10-08-07 18:38pm
[quote="trina1"]
Birch
wrote:
You just implied it again. Your feelings
towards abortion doctors is quite on
display in your
tone.
I implied nothing. I don't hide my
feelings toward abortion drs. I have known
a few....and I have watched as they
charged women that could barely put food
on the table anywhere from $250-$1000 for
abortions. Then they drive away in their
high dollar cars and go to their gated
communities where their multi-million
dollar homes are....that have all been
financed by women who felt they had no
other choice. I have also seen one dr. in
particular who has falsified information
to give women "late-term" abortions and he
has had way too many women leave his
clinic in ambulances. So no...I don't feel
that many of the abortion drs are in it to
"help" women. For every 1000 abortion
drs.....maybe 150 are truly in it to help
women....the rest are there....to help
themselves. JMHO
[/q]
You are ignoring the alternative, which is
women performing abortions on themselves
in back alleys. That's where you are
guaranteed to see women leave in
ambulances.
[quote="trina1"]
Birch
wrote:
I think you are missing the
'subtleties' of the article. The reasons
women seek abortion are societal. Change
society, change abortion
statistics.
It is not societal when a woman gets
drunk....meets a guy.....has wild,
unprotected sex....and gets pregnant and
then wants an abortion. That is a choice
she makes from the moment she picks up the
drink until she is filling out paperwork
at the clinic. That has nothing to do with
society and everything to do with
choice(albeit not good ones). All the
changing of "society" in the world is not
going to change the fact that human beings
are going to make bad choices from time to
time and look for a way out. Granted....I
am not saying that this is how all women
wind up at abortion clinics....but if you
are honest....you and I both know that it
makes up for a percentage....and society
has nothing to do with that.
[/q]
What percentage? Just roughly?
[quote="trina1"]
Birch
wrote:
You are putting your own
slant on the article by making it about
women's choice to have sex, instead of
women's choice to have abortions. That's
not what these feminists are talking
about.
What...women aren't making a choice to
have sex? Unless they are raped they
are...but that is not the issue here. The
issue is that men are counting on women
making (bad choices)....(and is a unwanted
pregnancy anything but a bad choice in
your book)....to keep the abortion
business booming. Do you ever wonder how
many multi-million dollar homes have been
built from the abortion business? What
about fancy vacations, expensive cars, and
extravigant lifestyles? All this from
women(many poor) who felt they didn't have
any choice but to abort. That is what
these feminist are talking about....womens
bodies and reproductive systems being used
to afford a life of wealth for men.
[/q]
Again,
You are ignoring the alternative, which is
women performing abortions on themselves
in back alleys. That's where you are
guaranteed to see women leave in
ambulances.
[quote="trina1"]
Birch
wrote:
Why do you think it should
not be a federal issue, and a state
one?
I am no real lover of the federal
government and as a rule....when the fg is
involved....things usually tend to go
south over a period of time. Anything that
we can take away from the fg and make a
state issue is fine with me.[/quote
How does making it a state issue prevent
the fg from coming in and banning it?]
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Posted: 10-08-07 19:01pm
futureshock
wrote:
You are ignoring the alternative, which is
women performing abortions on themselves
in back alleys. That's where you are
guaranteed to see women leave in
ambulances.
I have a question that I have always
wanted to ask when back alley abortions
get brought up....and you are someone who
seems both reasonable and respectful....so
I choose you to ask. First.....what is
your definition of a back alley abortion?
My mind conjours up an unskilled dr. and a
dirty warehouse floor. With medical
technology what it is today though.....how
could we ever go back to back alley
abortions? We might have illegal
abortions....but surely not the back alley
abortions pre Roe v. Wade. For
one....there is too much medical info out
there now. There are drs. that would still
do abortions....they would just do them
illegally. And also....even with abortion
being legal....there are still those hacks
out there that do "legal" abortions
everyday in an unskilled way and in dirty
facilities...so legalizing abortion didn't
necessarily make it safer for everyone.
Just an observation.
futureshock
wrote:
What percentage? Just
roughly?
Oh...without looking up exact statistics
and just guaging it by my own experience
with some of the girls I have seen....I
would say anywhere from 10-20%. That is
just a rough estimate.
futureshock
wrote:
You are ignoring the
alternative, which is women performing
abortions on themselves in back alleys.
That's where you are guaranteed to see
women leave in
ambulances.
I didn't understand you talking about
girls doing it to themselves. Okay...do
you know that this still happens with
abortion being legal. There are girls who
get pregnant and are too afraid to tell
their parents and try to take care of the
problem themselves. We had a girl who
almost killed herself by consuming some
sort of herb that was toxic not only to
the fetus but also to herself....and
another girl in MI I believe swallowed
clorox thinking that it would abort her
fetus....it killed them both. Of course
these were very young girls....but having
abortion legal doesn't always make it safe
for everyone.
Also....are you saying that if a woman
leaves a legal abortion clinic in an
ambulance after a botched abortion....that
somehow that is less destressing than if a
woman ended up in an ambulance over a
botched illegal abortion?
futureshock
wrote:
How does making it a state
issue prevent the fg from coming in and
banning it?
Now I am no student of law....but if I
understand it correctly....if it is a
state issue...the fg has no jurisdiction
over it. As I said earlier....if it is a
federal law (which Roe v. Wade currently
is)....it is possible that at some point
in time....a conservative SC could over
turn it and it would be gone...period. If
however....it becomes a state
issue....some states would definitely
outlaw abortion....but there would still
be some that kept it legal...therefore
insuring that abortion would be legal in
the US...and the fg couldn't touch it.
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Posted: 10-08-07 23:16pm
trina1
wrote:
I implied nothing. I don't hide my
feelings toward abortion drs. I have known
a few....and I have watched as they
charged women that could barely put food
on the table anywhere from $250-$1000 for
abortions. Then they drive away in their
high dollar cars and go to their gated
communities where their multi-million
dollar homes are....that have all been
financed by women who felt they had no
other choice. I have also seen one dr. in
particular who has falsified information
to give women "late-term" abortions and he
has had way too many women leave his
clinic in ambulances. So no...I don't feel
that many of the abortion drs are in it to
"help" women. For every 1000 abortion
drs.....maybe 150 are truly in it to help
women....the rest are there....to help
themselves.
JMHO
And yet again you state that abortion
doctors should not get paid for their
services...or that you should be able to
decide what they do with the money they
earn...what else are you saying in so many
words?
trina1
wrote:
It is not societal when a
woman gets drunk....meets a guy.....has
wild, unprotected sex....and gets pregnant
and then wants an abortion. That is a
choice she makes from the moment she picks
up the drink until she is filling out
paperwork at the clinic. That has nothing
to do with society and everything to do
with choice(albeit not good ones). All the
changing of "society" in the world is not
going to change the fact that human beings
are going to make bad choices from time to
time and look for a way out. Granted....I
am not saying that this is how all women
wind up at abortion clinics....but if you
are honest....you and I both know that it
makes up for a percentage....and society
has nothing to do with that.
I don't know about the percentage...I am
hestitant to comment on that b/c I think
it perpetuates a stereotype. But to play
along, one must ask why are women
performing these behaviors?
Is it self esteem? Then that is a
societal problem. I think you have to
look at the root causes.
Yes, people make mistakes...but when
thousands of pepole make the same mistakes
time and time again then you have a lot of
pudding on the plate to deal with, and
that is a societal issue.
trina1
wrote:
What...women aren't making a
choice to have sex? Unless they are raped
they are...but that is not the issue here.
The issue is that men are counting on
women making (bad choices)....(and is a
unwanted pregnancy anything but a bad
choice in your book)....to keep the
abortion business booming. Do you ever
wonder how many multi-million dollar homes
have been built from the abortion
business? What about fancy vacations,
expensive cars, and extravigant
lifestyles? All this from women(many poor)
who felt they didn't have any choice but
to abort. That is what these feminist are
talking about....womens bodies and
reproductive systems being used to afford
a life of wealth for men.
Women choose to have sex...they do not
choose to become pregnant.
trina1
wrote:
That is what these feminist
are talking about....womens bodies and
reproductive systems being used to afford
a life of wealth for men.
I disagree. The prolife feminists are not
solely referring to women's bodies being
used to afford a life of wealth for men
-that is but a minor aspect of the concept
- but that women should not have to feel
pressured into abortion because society
makes it that way.
"A truly gender-equal society would make
other accommodations for child-bearing by
women, rather than making abortion one of
the easiest means for women available to
gain equality. The appropriate response to
this difficult situation is to remove
social and economic barriers that prevent
or discourage women from bearing children
while fully participating in the life of
society."
"The existence of abortion only shows that
women must be as child-free as men are to
be equal. Legal abortion is one example of
how oppression of women is codified into
law. Abortion is a "band-aid" solution to
major social ills that continue to
flourish and that keep women in
second-class status{13} and does not
address basic inequalities, such as
poverty and unequal pay, that lead women
to believe they cannot have a baby."
" It is an offensive and sexist notion
that women must deny their unique ability
to conceive and bear children in order to
be treated equally."
trina1
wrote:
I am no real lover of the
federal government and as a rule....when
the fg is involved....things usually tend
to go south over a period of time.
Anything that we can take away from the fg
and make a state issue is fine with
me.
I read your reply to Jinks about this...it
sounds like you want to ensure that
abortion remains legal by taking it out of
the feds hands into the state's.
This way, the people will be deciding what
they want (assuming it will be a voted
issue). If you want people to be make a
decision for themselves, then why not
allow women the individual decision
themselves?
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Jincks013
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Posted: 10-09-07 06:23am
trina1
wrote:
Jincks013
wrote:
Actually Trina if you read
up on the topic of abortion and the
founding mothers of Feminism you will find
their chief objection to abortion was the
safety factor since few women survived the
proceedure then.
As you said ; it's all about
education.
I have read up on the founding mothers of
Feminism...and yes...they rightly so...had
grave concerns about safety. The really
sharp ones though...also saw the writing
on the wall and realized that abortion was
another way for men to capitalize on
women. They could make money off unwanted
pregnancies and they went for it. Today's
feminist have watched what has happened
since Roe v. Wade and many have realized
that far from being a good thing for
women...it is just another way for women
to stay under the thumb of
men.
That is an interesting concept. How does
aborting keep me under a mans thumb??
I enjoy a single lifestyle; I decorate my
apartment to please myself: I have to
check with no one if I want to buy
furniture or pizza for dinner or do my
nails then go shopping.. I have born two
girls; I have aborted: I have miscarried.
How does this keep me under a man's
thumb?
I'd think having access to a safe and
legal abortion gives women far greater
freedom because then a man cannot
manipulate her using her children as my ex
tried so vainly for years with me.
Please elaborate on how aborting keeps me
under a mans' thumb.
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Tylanas
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Posted: 10-09-07 10:02am
Birch
wrote:
"A truly gender-equal society would make
other accommodations for child-bearing by
women, rather than making abortion one of
the easiest means for women available to
gain equality. The appropriate response to
this difficult situation is to remove
social and economic barriers that prevent
or discourage women from bearing children
while fully participating in the life of
society."
"The existence of abortion only shows that
women must be as child-free as men are to
be equal. Legal abortion is one example of
how oppression of women is codified into
law. Abortion is a "band-aid" solution to
major social ills that continue to
flourish and that keep women in
second-class status{13} and does not
address basic inequalities, such as
poverty and unequal pay, that lead women
to believe they cannot have a baby."
" It is an offensive and sexist notion
that women must deny their unique ability
to conceive and bear children in order to
be treated equally."
These quotes are absolutely beautiful! I
couldn't agree more. A woman shouldn't
have to avoid birth in order to assure her
job is safe.
