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Nfp/rhythm Method Cause More Abortions Than Bc
Posted: 10-10-07 18:20pm
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NFP/Rhythm Method Cause more Abortions
than BC
Some bad news for devoted Pro-Lifers has
just been released by the London School of
Economics. The rhythm method, which
employs the practice of only participating
in intercourse when a woman is not in the
fertile phase of her menstrual cycle, has
proven to actually kill more embryos than
other birth control methods. Conception
can still occur after the fertile time but
the embryo is unable to implant in the
uterine wall, this causes embryonic death.
Luc Bovens, of the London School of
economics states, "millions of rhythm
method cycles per year globally depend for
their success on massive embryonic
death."
http://
www.parentdish.com/2006/06/07/rhythm-metho
d-more-likely-to-kill-embryos-than-condom-
method/
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Re: Nfp/rhythm Method Cause More Abortions Than Bc
Posted: 10-10-07 18:27pm
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| futureshock
wrote: | NFP/Rhythm Method Cause more
Abortions than BC
Some bad news for devoted Pro-Lifers has
just been released by the London School of
Economics.
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I would think this is bad news for all
people who have some sympathy. By the
tone of your message I guess you don't
qualify!
Cheers,
Embarrassed!
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Posted: 10-10-07 18:45pm
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http://www.physorg.com/
news67783446.html
Controversial rhythm method study
revealed
A British study suggests the Roman
Catholic Church-approved "rhythm method"
may kill more embryos than other methods
of contraception.
The "rhythm method" relies on abstinence
during the most fertile period of a
woman's menstrual cycle. For women who
have regular 28-day cycles, that occurs
around days 10 to 17 of the cycle.
It's believed the method works by
preventing conception from occurring. But
Professor Luc Bovens of the London School
of Economics says it may owe much of its
success to the fact that embryos conceived
on the fringes of the fertile period are
less viable than those conceived toward
the middle.
Bovens says it can be calculated that two
to three embryos will have died every time
the rhythm method results in a pregnancy.
Bovens
cites anti-abortion rights activists who
equate global oral contraceptive use to
chemical abortion that is responsible for
tens of thousands of deaths of embryos, or
unborn children, every year.
But, says Bovens, if all oral
contraceptive users converted to the
rhythm method, they would be effectively
causing the deaths of millions of
embryos.
The study appears in the Journal of
Medical Ethics.
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Posted: 10-10-07 19:17pm
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I have never understood anyone who
protests both abortion and contraception.
That is insanity.
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Posted: 10-10-07 19:17pm
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Okay let's see.. the egg is released from
ovaries and travels the falopian tube to
the uterus in 24 hours. The egg can be
fertilized at any moment during those 24
hours. So what you are saying is if the
egg is fertilized in the last hours before
it implants in the uterus is less viable?
hahahaha
Then what you are saying is that nfp'ers
are having sex in the actual ovulation
timing..when exactly what they are doing
is not having sex during those 24 hours
ovulating time..
And please separate catholics from
pro-lifers. There is many pro-lifers who
are not catholic.
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Posted: 10-10-07 19:27pm
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The other thing I don't have clear too is
if the egg doesn't get fertilized during
those 24 hour ovulation time it implants
in the uterus unfertilized and therefore
you have your period, so what this article
is saying is that the egg does can get
fertilized after it has implanted in the
uterus unfertilized and then that causes
embryonic death?? If that is of course
that's why it is established that you can
only get pregnant in only the 24 hours
ovulation time!
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Posted: 10-10-07 20:48pm
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| nightangel73
wrote: | | Okay let's see.. the egg is
released from ovaries and travels the
falopian tube to the uterus in 24 hours.
The egg can be fertilized at any moment
during those 24 hours. So what you are
saying is if the egg is fertilized in the
last hours before it implants in the
uterus is less viable?
hahahaha |
Why not? O.o *blink* The uterus isn't
ready before the fertile stage and after
the fertile stage it's ready to be
disposed of, so it makes rather a lot of
sense that embryos that implant during
either of those times would have a high
chance of miscarrying.
| Quote: | | Then what you are
saying is that nfp'ers are having sex in
the actual ovulation timing..when exactly
what they are doing is not having sex
during those 24 hours ovulating
time.. |
What they're actually saying is that no
woman knows for sure when she ovulates, so
even though there is the "window", that
there may have been another ovulation
before, or, the woman ovulated at a
different time that was out of sync with
her uterus, thus creating the unfavorable
environment.
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Posted: 10-10-07 20:51pm
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| nightangel73
wrote: | | The other thing I don't have
clear too is if the egg doesn't get
fertilized during those 24 hour ovulation
time it implants in the uterus
unfertilized and therefore you have your
period, so what this article is saying is
that the egg does can get fertilized after
it has implanted in the uterus
unfertilized and then that causes
embryonic death?? If that is of course
that's why it is established that you can
only get pregnant in only the 24 hours
ovulation
time! |
An egg cannot implant alone. It has to be
fertilized FIRST, then it implants, so maybe
you misread the article. An egg could
reach the uterus without
being fertilized, but it cannot implant
until it is an embryo.
And perhaps you can get pregnant outside
of the 24 hour zone? Certainly, sperm can
hang around for a few days.
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Posted: 10-10-07 21:28pm
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| Eiri
wrote: | | nightangel73
wrote: | | Okay let's see.. the egg is
released from ovaries and travels the
falopian tube to the uterus in 24 hours.
The egg can be fertilized at any moment
during those 24 hours. So what you are
saying is if the egg is fertilized in the
last hours before it implants in the
uterus is less viable?
hahahaha |
Why not? O.o *blink* The uterus isn't
ready before the fertile stage and after
the fertile stage it's ready to be
disposed of, so it makes rather a lot of
sense that embryos that implant during
either of those times would have a high
chance of miscarrying.
| Quote: | | Then what you are
saying is that nfp'ers are having sex in
the actual ovulation timing..when exactly
what they are doing is not having sex
during those 24 hours ovulating
time.. |
What they're actually saying is that no
woman knows for sure when she ovulates, so
even though there is the "window", that
there may have been another ovulation
before, or, the woman ovulated at a
different time that was out of sync with
her uterus, thus creating the unfavorable
environment. |
actually you would be surprised how
accurate the nfp'ers predict ovulation..
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Posted: 10-10-07 21:35pm
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| Eiri
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And perhaps you can get pregnant outside
of the 24 hour zone? Certainly, sperm can
hang around for a few
days. |
You can only get pregnant at ovulation.
Yes the sperm can hang out alive for a few
days but they can only impregnate when the
egg is being released. Therefore if you
have sex before the day you ovulate then
yes surely you get pregnant because the
sperm will be there alive by the time the
egg is released.
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Posted: 10-10-07 21:40pm
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| nightangel73
wrote: | Okay let's see.. the egg is
released from ovaries and travels the
falopian tube to the uterus in 24 hours.
The egg can be fertilized at any moment
during those 24 hours. So what you are
saying is if the egg is fertilized in the
last hours before it implants in the
uterus is less viable? hahahaha
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I'm not saying that. Scientists who
actually research this are.
| nightangel73
wrote: | | The other thing I don't have
clear too is if the egg doesn't get
fertilized during those 24 hour ovulation
time it implants in the uterus
unfertilized and therefore you have your
period, so what this article is saying is
that the egg does can get fertilized after
it has implanted in the uterus
unfertilized and then that causes
embryonic death?? If that is of course
that's why it is established that you can
only get pregnant in only the 24 hours
ovulation
time! |
No, it is not saying that.
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Posted: 10-10-07 21:48pm
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| nightangel73
wrote: | | Eiri
wrote: |
And perhaps you can get pregnant outside
of the 24 hour zone? Certainly, sperm can
hang around for a few
days. |
You can only get pregnant at ovulation.
Yes the sperm can hang out alive for a few
days but they can only impregnate when the
egg is being released. Therefore if you
have sex before the day you ovulate then
yes surely you get pregnant because the
sperm will be there alive by the time the
egg is
released. |
You would be surprised at how little you
know about human reproduction.
For example, do you realize that 90% of
all fertilized eggs die before they can
develop before they are born?
This has nothing to do with abortion,
either.
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Posted: 10-10-07 21:55pm
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| futureshock
wrote: | | nightangel73
wrote: | | Eiri
wrote: |
And perhaps you can get pregnant outside
of the 24 hour zone? Certainly, sperm can
hang around for a few
days. |
You can only get pregnant at ovulation.
Yes the sperm can hang out alive for a few
days but they can only impregnate when the
egg is being released. Therefore if you
have sex before the day you ovulate then
yes surely you get pregnant because the
sperm will be there alive by the time the
egg is
released. |
You would be surprised at how little you
know about human reproduction.
For example, do you realize that 90% of
all fertilized eggs die before they can
develop before they are born?
This has nothing to do with abortion,
either. |
Until you provide a source, that is a
steaming pile of .........
Embarrassed!
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Posted: 10-10-07 22:11pm
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Chromosome abnormalities are the commonest
cause of death in humans. They kill at the
very minimum two-thirds of potential
humans, more likely 80 to 90 percent and
they mostly do so through these lethal
aneuploidies.
http://
www.bioethics.gov/transcripts/jan03/sessio
n1.html
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Posted: 10-10-07 22:25pm
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| futureshock
wrote: | Chromosome abnormalities are
the commonest cause of death in humans.
They kill at the very minimum two-thirds
of potential humans, more likely 80 to 90
percent and they mostly do so through
these lethal aneuploidies.
http://
www.bioethics.gov/transcripts/jan03/sessio
n1.html |
Why did you not just tell the truth to
begin with? You said 90% when it was UP
TO 90%. I also noticed that they did not
provide their "Multiple sources"
And more importantly, who cares? The
death of the non-viable beginnings of life
is a part of life, darwinism at it's
finest. That being said there is no
excuse for frivolously aborting a viable
human life. This act is greedy and
reckless!
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Posted: 10-10-07 22:29pm
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| embarrassed40
wrote: | | futureshock
wrote: | | nightangel73
wrote: | | Eiri
wrote: |
And perhaps you can get pregnant outside
of the 24 hour zone? Certainly, sperm can
hang around for a few
days. |
You can only get pregnant at ovulation.
Yes the sperm can hang out alive for a few
days but they can only impregnate when the
egg is being released. Therefore if you
have sex before the day you ovulate then
yes surely you get pregnant because the
sperm will be there alive by the time the
egg is
released. |
You would be surprised at how little you
know about human reproduction.
For example, do you realize that 90% of
all fertilized eggs die before they can
develop before they are born?
This has nothing to do with abortion,
either. |
Until you provide a source, that is a
steaming pile of .........
Embarrassed! |
Right embarrassed. Like they forget I have
college credits in human physiology. I
sure can recognize what is bs and what is
not.
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Posted: 10-10-07 23:04pm
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| nightangel73
wrote: | | embarrassed40
wrote: | | futureshock
wrote: | | nightangel73
wrote: | | Eiri
wrote: |
And perhaps you can get pregnant outside
of the 24 hour zone? Certainly, sperm can
hang around for a few
days. |
You can only get pregnant at ovulation.
Yes the sperm can hang out alive for a few
days but they can only impregnate when the
egg is being released. Therefore if you
have sex before the day you ovulate then
yes surely you get pregnant because the
sperm will be there alive by the time the
egg is
released. |
You would be surprised at how little you
know about human reproduction.
For example, do you realize that 90% of
all fertilized eggs die before they can
develop before they are born?
This has nothing to do with abortion,
either. |
Until you provide a source, that is a
steaming pile of .........
Embarrassed! |
Right embarrassed. Like they forget I have
college credits in human physiology. I
sure can recognize what is bs and what is
not. |
SO do I. Whats your point?
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Posted: 10-10-07 23:32pm
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| Jincks013
wrote: | | nightangel73
wrote: | | embarrassed40
wrote: | | futureshock
wrote: | | nightangel73
wrote: | | Eiri
wrote: |
And perhaps you can get pregnant outside
of the 24 hour zone? Certainly, sperm can
hang around for a few
days. |
You can only get pregnant at ovulation.
Yes the sperm can hang out alive for a few
days but they can only impregnate when the
egg is being released. Therefore if you
have sex before the day you ovulate then
yes surely you get pregnant because the
sperm will be there alive by the time the
egg is
released. |
You would be surprised at how little you
know about human reproduction.
For example, do you realize that 90% of
all fertilized eggs die before they can
develop before they are born?
This has nothing to do with abortion,
either. |
Until you provide a source, that is a
steaming pile of .........
Embarrassed! |
Right embarrassed. Like they forget I have
college credits in human physiology. I
sure can recognize what is bs and what is
not. |
SO do I. Whats your
point? |
Her credits are slightly better than your
credits!  I also note
that the Nightangel does quote sources
accurately, which you failed to do earlier
on this thread. At this point, I must say
Nightangel qualifies as good marital
material. 
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Posted: 10-11-07 00:21am
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| nightangel73
wrote: | | embarrassed40
wrote: | | futureshock
wrote: | | nightangel73
wrote: | | Eiri
wrote: |
And perhaps you can get pregnant outside
of the 24 hour zone? Certainly, sperm can
hang around for a few
days. |
You can only get pregnant at ovulation.
Yes the sperm can hang out alive for a few
days but they can only impregnate when the
egg is being released. Therefore if you
have sex before the day you ovulate then
yes surely you get pregnant because the
sperm will be there alive by the time the
egg is
released. |
You would be surprised at how little you
know about human reproduction.
For example, do you realize that 90% of
all fertilized eggs die before they can
develop before they are born?
This has nothing to do with abortion,
either. |
Until you provide a source, that is a
steaming pile of .........
Embarrassed! |
Right embarrassed. Like they forget I have
college credits in human physiology. I
sure can recognize what is bs and what is
not. |
College CREDITS! There are people on here
with master's degrees and beyond!
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Posted: 10-11-07 00:24am
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| embarrassed40
wrote: | | futureshock
wrote: | Chromosome abnormalities are
the commonest cause of death in humans.
They kill at the very minimum two-thirds
of potential humans, more likely 80 to 90
percent and they mostly do so through
these lethal aneuploidies.
http://
www.bioethics.gov/transcripts/jan03/sessio
n1.html |
Why did you not just tell the truth to
begin with? You said 90% when it was UP
TO 90%. I also noticed that they did not
provide their "Multiple sources"
And more importantly, who cares? The
death of the non-viable beginnings of life
is a part of life, darwinism at it's
finest. That being said there is no
excuse for frivolously aborting a viable
human life. This act is greedy and
reckless! |
This is from the exact same source:
"So the selection against chromosome
abnormalities in humans before birth is
enormous, it's over 90 percent. I would
say probably even higher than that."
Learn this lesson now: Don't ever
challenge me on a source, fact, study,
link, etc. I never say ANYTHING I can't
back up.
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