Joined: 14 Jan 2005 Posts: 175 Location: Tampa, FL
a Higher Power?!? Posted: 10-12-07 09:37am
I was reading a post yesterday and someone
said that they claim no higher power. That
got me thinking. What do I claim as my
higher power?
I’m stumped. I came into Alcoholics
Anonymous as an agnostic, and I guess I
still am. I don’t have a clue. But I
have looked into it.
I am an artist by trade, and in my
education, I studied the great masters,
Raphael, Michelangelo, Peter Paul Rubins,
Dour, etc. Each one painted masterful
images of God. A beautiful old man on a
throne of clouds or the like. I never
thought that that was an actual
representation of reality. They are
beautiful, but they are only artifice,
The Calvinists believe God is out to screw
us for all eternity if we wander off the
path only a hair. Among Christians, they
are not alone in this. That can’t be
right.
The Hindus have so many Gods even they
aren’t sure how many. In fact, each
household can have it’s own personal
God. One of my favorite parts of Hinduism
is an individual can claim that they are
God. It seems the idea is God is a
playwright, and dreamed up this entire
world. But because God is a very good
playwright, God forgot that it is just a
play. And all of us are players in this
grand play, and in that, we are nothing
less than God ourselves. That one pleases
me a lot. I like the sound of that. I
don’t believe that the dreaming God is
the be all and end all of it, but it works
for me on many levels.
The Buddhists were borne out of Hinduism.
They took it to the next logical level. If
there are so many Gods that on one can
count them, in fact we are all of us God,
then the idea of identifying God is not
entirely useful. Buddhists, Zen Buddhists
in particular, don’t spend any time
trying to understand God. The job at hand
is to wake up. Like the Hindus, they
believe we are asleep to our true natures,
and the goal of Zen meditation and study
is to wake up to it.
And this just scratches the surface of
different ideas on God. So many ideas on
what God might be. How is one to know?
I try not to confuse myself between the
map, (any idea if what God might be) and
the territory.
Just speaking for myself, my spiritual
path has become very simple these days. I
get up in the morning, and I try not to
lie, cheat, or steal all day long. And at
bedtime, if I have managed to cut way down
on my lying, cheating and stealing, and I
haven’t gotten drunk or stoned all day
long, I tell God thank you.
It doesn’t matter to me that I don’t
know to whom or to what I say thank You,
it just matters that I do.
Richard
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emptynest
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Posted: 10-15-07 23:22pm
My understanding of a higher power is
something that one defers to.... An
acceptance of what is...that events will
unfold as they will. A realization that
the big picture is beyond us. In the
scheme of things, we are like toddlers
wanting what we want, unable to comprehend
the consequences. Knowledge is outside of
us. We need to recognize that we don't
possess the knowledge and learn how to be
quiet and invite it in. It seems to me
that often we come to the table of
recovery (whether we are substance abusers
or codependents) with a chip on our
shoulders re: organized religion or the
popular view God. We initially fight the
concept of a higher power....feeling
justified and misunderstood. Then, it
comes to us...we can't control things...we
don't have to control things...and such a
huge burden is lifted.
I really needed to think about this
tonight. I have been trying to control
things (again). My behavior creates
unhappiness for me...and I forget that I
bring it on myself. Nobody's fault but my
own. Let go...give it to my higher power.
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daffodil67
Experienced User , Rather EHEALTHy
Joined: 02 Nov 2007 Posts: 54 Location: , midsouth, usa (think presidential pair)
Posted: 11-02-07 08:51am
How bout "Good Orderly Direction?" I mean
at first that's kind all you need anyway,
if you are getting sober. Then there is
"Group Of Drunks" sort of referrign to the
group, which you have to admit is kinda
more powerful than you at this point any
way you look at it.
That's how I saw it. I mean, I guess what
I really saw as more powerful than me was
the PROGRAM. The steps. And I SAW that
because I heard what teh people were
saying--they had done the things I had
doen, thay had felt the things I had
felt--I KNEW that tehy were like me, and
something had happened to them so that
they were different now. It was so
gut-overwhelming, so feeling-true. They
were SMILING and had jobs--they went to
those jobs--and stayed there ALL day!!!
They did what they said they were gonna
do. and most importantly...they had
needed to drink as badly as I had, and
they didnt' any more.
And you knkow what else?? they said if I
did what they did , I would get what they
got. And because I SAW that they were
like me, an dhow they got better, I
believed them, AND IT WORKED!!!
If there's not SOME kind of something
that's MORE powerful than I am in
there...shoot me. And you know?? There'
salways "fake it til you make it." I've
always found that to be EFFECTIVE. Just
morning and night connection with
SOMETHING--throw it out there--please keep
me sober today adn Thank you at night
USUALLY ends up with full-blown belief.
Try it, you'll like it!!!
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Inferior_Decorator
New User, Becoming EHEALTHy
Joined: 20 Nov 2007 Posts: 12
Posted: 11-20-07 09:51am
"It doesn’t matter to me that I don’t
know to whom or to what I say thank You,
it just matters that I do."
I couldn't agree more. The Higher Power
question is one that's plauged me for
quite some time. The conclusion I came to
is this.....it doesn't matter if your
Higher Power is a bottle of pickles, just
that (as you said) one does it.
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CarolDiane
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Posted: 11-21-07 07:11am
Inferior_Decorator
wrote:
"It doesn’t matter to me
that I don’t know to whom or to what I
say thank You, it just matters that I
do."
I couldn't agree more. The Higher Power
question is one that's plauged me for
quite some time. The conclusion I came to
is this.....it doesn't matter if your
Higher Power is a bottle of pickles, just
that (as you said) one does
it.
Very well put. Religion since it's start,
has branched out in so many directions, it
makes one think what believe in. I also
believe in a higher power with no name.
Just something more poweful than I and
soemthing that can change my life if I
follow and try and be an honest and
upstanding person.
I think you will see a time in the near
future when AA is going to be taking out
the word "God". And just using the word
"Higher Power" in it's place. I will agree
that working the 12 steps are probably the
most improtant thing in AA. It almost
makes you feel like you have had a ton of
bricks taken off your chest.