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Rodge

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Posted: 11-07-07 19:29pm


I can't help but like you, you know. You believe in what you're saying just as much as I believe in what I'm saying, and as infuriating as arguing with you can be, I respect that you're not a hypocrite. I totally disagree with you on ...well, most things, really, but I'm glad you're around. </ tangent> Prodigal son is a metaphor for how God will always have you back, no matter what you do, right? I like that it's there. Anyway, it's late over here, and I'm about to take a sleeping pill, so if I reply again it will probably be about ninjas and you can ignore me. (You can probably tell that I'm tired by how disjointed and ridiculous this post is. )

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Posted: 11-07-07 20:12pm


"I respect that you're not a hypocrite." I am a hypocrite, Christianity is on human terms an impossible religion, it can not be lived upto because it is based upon judiasim which is equally impossible by human standards that iswhy we needed God to become a man and foot the bill for our weaknesses. Judiasim who reject Jesus remains a human impossiblity but for jews who believe in Christ, I.e Christians all things are possible for God, we find that Christianity is made easy for us through Christ. Where in judiasim, if your not perfect your going to hell, in christianity Christ tells us your not perfect, "the spirit is willing but the flesh is weak" but i forgive you, and I am going to offer my body as a sacrafice to God on behalf of you, so that you will be made perfect through my "attonement" he is telling us we are Gods Children and he is our parent, that you cant do it yet but try, like a father who says to his child get on the bike "but father" says the child "I cant ride a bike" I know but get on and try "but father I will fall off and it will hurt" yes and I will be there to pick you up go through the pain with you and so the child gets on the bike and he falls off and his father picks him up and puts him back on the bike, he gets a little futher and falls off and this goes on throughout our life getting slowly better at being a Christian, slowey better at riding our bike, we may even be able to ride long distance but there is always room for improvment, but unless we have faith in our father not in the promise that one day we will be able to ride the bike but in his promise that he will be there when we fall and hurt ourselves, we would never get on the bike at all. "Prodigal son is a metaphor for how God will always have you back, no matter what you do, right? I like that it's there." there is no sin that is unforgivable especially for those who for whatever reason simply find it impossible to believe without some real proof. For christians our sins are worse than sins of the non believer but our repentance gives glory to God. Catholics believe that is it possible that at the very moment prior to death all people christian, muslim, athiest Jew all are faced with Christ in all his glory, we hope that maybe nobody is in hell except those who face with God in all his glory choose to go there out of hatred for God.

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Posted: 11-07-07 20:32pm


I can't really answer your post because the words look like books biking down a mountain and I can't follow them. Told you, sleeping pills. Is it okay if I never join a religion but try to live in what I feel is the way Jesus told Christians to live? Loving everyone? I love my fellow men, after all, like Abou Ben Adhem. ...Sleeping pills, yeah. Sorry. You're not a hypocrite in the sense that you do what you believe in because you love God, and (like me) you love your fellow men and you want to see them come to Heaven with you. That sentence ran away with me rather. You got that I like and respect you anyway, right? Sorry about all the babble.

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Posted: 11-07-07 23:20pm

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If he made them gay because they didn't obey him, then it is implied that they were already around when he did it. Unless they disobeyed him in the womb or something.

LMAO! Exactly. They were PUNISHED, that implies an exact time and location. I'm sorry Guest, but there is no way on this good Earth you are going to win this one.

God MADE these people gay AFTER they disobeyed him as ADULTS. It's all very clear and plain as day. Plus it's New Testament so you can't use the excuse of it being "just metaphor".

Pure timeless omniscience is CRAP. The bible scripture specifies a time AND place where this "giving over" occurs. You cannot deny that. And if God KNEW they were going to betray him, then he bore them in to life to FAIL on purpose just so he could make them gay when they betrayed him (which he already knew was going to happen).

It's all crap. Every word of it.

PS: By the way, I don't consider being FEMALE a SIN. Yet the bible says it is, because a female committed the "original sin" of LEARNING. OH NOES!!!!!

Bull
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Posted: 11-08-07 03:47am


How many homosexuals are Gay before they reach puberty? How many homosexuals have never been Gay? Gay does not = Homosexual Homosexual = attraction to the same sex Gay = embracing that sexual attraction God has made so many people so they would have a same sex sexual attraction, at conception but it is only when it is their will to have sexual intercourse with another member of the same sex that God seeing their wickedness gives them over to it. I dont know how you cant understand that

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Posted: 11-08-07 04:54am


>=\ God is perfection. God made man in his image Therefore everybody is perfect Just the way they are. Gays, Straights, Bis, pansexuals and asexuals. In the old testament there are a lot of HORRIBLE!!! sins. suchs as it is a sin to touch the skin of a dead pig ... yeah football players are all going to hell! then jesus came along, and said that these sins no longer apply because they're not in context with current day, he said this about A LOT of sins , but none that had anything to do with sex. All sins are apparently equal - clearly not. Reguardless this was 2000 odd years ago, so if sins have an expirey date, then i think it's quite clear that some of these have defiently expired. But whatever. Live your life how you like , believe what you like, just allow others to do the same, and if that means a bit of buttsecks, well if you're right thats just more room for you in heaven.

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Posted: 11-08-07 06:41am

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I dont know how you cant understand that

Because we don't believe the same as you, man. I understand the concept of what you're saying, I think, but I don't believe that it's true.

Anyway, you've been brought up with this stuff. I can count on my fingers the number of times I've been inside a church. Razz

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Posted: 11-08-07 09:21am


"Because we don't believe the same as you" hmmm, good answer. Christians have faith thus we seek understanding, that understanding feeds and nourishes our faith, none Christians have a lack of faith and dont want to understand. so it is then that the old Christian adage is perhaps right "there are none so blind as those who do not want to see"

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Posted: 11-08-07 09:34am


Aww, you know you like it. What would you do all day if everyone here thought exactly the same as you?

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Posted: 11-08-07 10:05am

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How many homosexuals are Gay before they reach puberty?

How many homosexuals have never been Gay?

Gay does not = Homosexual

Homosexual = attraction to the same sex

Gay = embracing that sexual attraction

WHoah whoah whoah. Shut the heckles up. You CLEARLY have no understanding of human sexuality. You seem to think that Gay and Homosexual mean different things.

Let me re-educate you, buddy.

Homosexual: The attraction to the same gender. This includes expressing this attraction by embracing your sexual feelings and acting on them. If you don't admit you're homosexual, then that means you're not embracing your natural feelings. The two are NOT separate.

Gay: A term used to describe homosexual men. That's IT. "Gay" is a word you use when talking about a homosexual man. It does not mean he is having sex. It means he is homosexual. Gay and homosexual mean the EXACT same thing.

Lesbian: A term used to describe homosexual women. That's IT. "Lesbian" is a word you use when talking about a homosexual woman. It does not mean she is having sex. It means she is homosexual. Lesbian and homosexual mean the EXACT same thing.

I don't know how you can't understand that.

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Posted: 11-08-07 13:28pm


Thanks Guest. I will argue, though, that the "they" in that passage is not directed at homosexuals per say, but sinners in general. In fact, it can easily be interpreted as something else, such as adultry. Just a question for everyone- what does this mean- "God gave them over to something..."

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Posted: 11-08-07 16:25pm


In my opinion it means he made them do something.

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Posted: 11-08-07 16:32pm


Hmm.. Gave them over.. sounds like handing them to someone else.

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Posted: 11-08-07 16:43pm


Do not throw pearls to swine, for fear they may trample it underfoot. What a shame sigh 2Peter 2:1-2 " there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them--bringing swift destruction on themselves. Many will follow their shameful ways and will bring the way of truth into disrepute." What a shame, the bible, the word of God. Pearls of wisdom thrown down by the false prophets of protestantism and trampled upon by the unbelievers. So many have followed their shameful ways and have brought the way of truth into disrepute, I here it all over.... "In my opinion, in my interpretation, the way I see it" 2 Peter 1:20 "First of all, you should know this: no prophecy of Scripture comes from one's own interpretation" Jesus said to his apostles, his appointed one's Luke 10:16 "Whoever listens to you listens to Me. Whoever rejects you rejects Me. And whoever rejects Me rejects the One who sent Me."

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Posted: 11-08-07 16:48pm


Very nice copy biblical copy paste guest. do you suppose you can answer the question now?

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Posted: 11-08-07 16:59pm


"Very nice copy biblical copy paste guest. do you suppose you can answer the question now? " No, I see no point, you will continue on interperating things for yourselves despite the clear warning in scripture not to. Its kind of like refusing the artists explination of his work and making up your own explination.

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Posted: 11-08-07 17:15pm


Well, okay. Let's talk about something else. What music do you like?

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Posted: 11-08-07 17:29pm


Rock, Pop, Rap, Dance, Country, Classical....erm all types except one bad music I like Good music

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Posted: 11-08-07 17:38pm


Hey, me too! I like pretty much everything except really loud metal, because it makes my head hurt. Have you heard of Neutral Milk Hotel? They're an indie rock band, and their album 'In The Aeroplane Over The Sea' is truly, seriously amazing. I know it's very hyped up as far as indie rock goes, but it is deserving of pretty much all of its praise.

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Posted: 11-08-07 17:57pm


No I tend to "hide" from the media and all the hype, all the media brianwashing I believe it is needed to make and form my own opinions. Oftne I just refuse to listen to a band/singer/group because its being hyped so much. I hated robbie williams and refused point blank to accept him as an artist because of all his marketing and publicity - but he has done some Good stuff as well as crap. My genre of choice is Classic Rock - Thin Lizzy, Rollin Stones, Pink Foyd, AC/DC but saying that I also like the folk rock genre too which includes the best artist and poet lorriet of out times Bob Dylan. New music is usually just bad music but there are a few good artists 3 doors down, fastball to name a couple I will check out Neutral Milk Hotel on your reccomendation because your opinion is not being over publicised.