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Posted: 11-09-07 13:36pm


Well, all the modern art isn't about aethetics, it's more about the philosophy/meaning behind it. I think art is meant to have a purpose, to say something, and just a pretty picture won't do that. That doesn't mean I'll ever buy a Pollock piece, but I appreciate what he (and the others) were trying to communicate. This is only after taking a really rough and in depth modern art history class.

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Posted: 11-09-07 14:22pm


I'm pretty sure no human would consider off-note screeching (such as nails on a chalkboard or squeaky balloons) to be music. Thus, not everything is art.

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Posted: 11-09-07 14:31pm


(For those of you reading along at home, this is totally related to the topic title. No, really! Paintings are art. There are paintings of Adam and Eve. Adam and Eve were possibly the first humans. Possibly they weren't. Anyway, it's totally relevant.) I'm kidding, guys.

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Posted: 11-09-07 18:13pm

Eiri wrote:

I'm pretty sure no human would consider off-note screeching (such as nails on a chalkboard or squeaky balloons) to be music. Thus, not everything is art.

Many people consider that music. Me personally, well, I think stuff like that depends on the context, character, and intent.

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Posted: 11-09-07 19:39pm


You think someone literally considers nails on a chalkboard to be music? You find me ANY one who believes that is music. I dare you. I'm not describing music that sounds likes nails on a chalkboard. I mean rythmless, loud, out of tune screeching.

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Posted: 11-09-07 19:43pm


If you were using the sound of nails on a chalkboard in some kind of artistic display it would probably work very well. You know, those walk-around ones. (I know that says nothing about its musical merits.) And now I'm thinking of The Phantom Tollbooth.

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Posted: 11-09-07 19:47pm


In an artistic display it probably would count as modern art by some man in a beret in a stinkin' art gallery. That does not make it music. I believe there are actual rules for music and one of those things is that it has to have a rhythem. So weird, but I was thinking about that book all morning... how does screetching remind you of it though? lol.

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Posted: 11-09-07 19:58pm


Doctor Discord and The Awful Dynne! I love that book so much.

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Posted: 11-09-07 20:02pm


As do I XD I don't remember any super details from it, aside from Subtraction Soup, the watchdog named Tock, Milo, the "Whether" Man, and stuff like that.

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Posted: 11-09-07 20:17pm


I have a memory for fictional details, so I remember a lot of it. I actually have a copy somewhere around here, but I think I've put it away. Drat. (There used to be an explanation of the bit with the Awful Dynne, but I cut it because it was long and geeky. )

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Posted: 11-09-07 22:39pm

Eiri wrote:

You think someone literally considers nails on a chalkboard to be music? You find me ANY one who believes that is music. I dare you. I'm not describing music that sounds likes nails on a chalkboard. I mean rythmless, loud, out of tune screeching.

This is not a comment meant to come off like I'm some snob who knows more than you do about this, but, well, just so you don't think I'm pulling this stuff out of my butthole Very
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: I attended college for music at one of the most highly regarded conservatories in the country.

There are plenty of people there who consider ambient sounds part of music especially considering intent and context. Also, there are many musical compositions that have musicians playing at random with no rhythmic devices in play.

I know you believe you have the definition of art in your pocket. I think your pocket is very shallow.

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Posted: 11-10-07 01:07am


Part of music? Yes. An actual form of music all by itself? no. My definition is considered shallow because it goes against the current status quo. I don't go with the "Oh, everything is art, let's all be happy and put tires on goats and crap on a crucifix! Aaaaaaart! Aw!" mentality. A drive back towards classicism has happened numerous times in art history. The Renaissance was one. I think we're overdue for another Renaissance.

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Posted: 11-10-07 13:02pm


"You say the Pope is divinely inspired, but there is no way to prove that. No, quoting scripture is not proof. " the very fact the bible (Christian bible) was wrote and compiled by Catholics, gives them claim enough over its offical meaning.

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Posted: 11-10-07 13:03pm


Again, you use the bible (even peripherally) as a reference. Got ANY proof outside of holy books that your supposed God inspires the Pope?

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Posted: 11-10-07 13:24pm


No, but that is not what I said I said the book is a Catholic book, the Catholic Church then has the offical meaning of the bible

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Posted: 11-10-07 13:39pm


What is your opinion on the King James Bible? Out of curiosity.

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Posted: 11-10-07 13:53pm


"What is your opinion on the King James Bible? Out of curiosity. " My opinion on the KJB along with every other protestant bible is that although they contain the word of God, they do not contain the fullness of scripture. In other words, they are kind of like a low quality reproduction of a cinema move using a hand held phone. There are seven books missing from the protestant bible, so yeah..... Low quality reproduction of the real thing.

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Posted: 11-10-07 14:04pm


You can't seem to prove the divinity of the Pope without referencing your own religion.

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Posted: 11-11-07 07:02am


"You can't seem to prove the divinity of the Pope without referencing your own religion. " The pope is not divine, he is not God, he is a mere mortal.

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Posted: 11-11-07 11:54am


You can't seem to prove that the Pope is chosen by god through the underlings without referencing your own religion. You KNOW what I meant. You said they were divinely inspired. You can't prove that. You said the pope is divinely inspired, and you can't prove that either: not without the religion itself. As there is no outside way to prove or disprove it, it is at best a hypothesis.